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Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support[W:315]

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rocket88 said:
A corpse cannot offer consent. Why should it be assumed in this case, if it is not assumed in the case of organ donors?
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What are you on about now with organ donors? Please explain so I can tell you why it doesn't apply.

They could let her die as she would have wished.
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No, they couldn't have done that.

Why does the end of her pregnancy suddenly mean there's a DNR?
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It doesn't. There is, however, the fact that she is dead and no amount of life-saving care is going to fix that.
 
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I forsee this kid becoming a ward of the state asap.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Nope, but you do support them keeping her alive which costs money.
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Yes, and that bill goes to Mr. Munoz and his insurer.
 
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scatt said:
You mean democrats.
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No, it's Republicans demanding that the state keep this woman alive regardless of her wishes, her husband's wishes, and her family's wishes.
 
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JayDubya said:
What are you on about now with organ donors? Please explain so I can tell you why it doesn't apply.
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Did she consent to donating her uterus?







It doesn't. There is, however, the fact that she is dead and no amount of life-saving care is going to fix that.
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That's the case now. Your case is that she should be used as an incubator without her consent.
 
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shrubnose said:
It's not a 'kid', its a fetus.
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Feel free to keep your bigotry to yourself; I'm already using age-neutral terms like "kid" for a reason.

rocket88 said:
Why should he be forced to pay?
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He is the father, why shouldn't he pay for medical expenses related to pregnancy?

Just because he doesn't wanna?

Should the "But I don't wanna" excuse work for born kids, too?
 
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JayDubya said:
He is the father, why shouldn't he pay for medical expenses related to pregnancy? Just because he doesn't wanna?
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He did up until natural law would have dictated the fetus dying. Keeping her on artificial life support is not related to pregnancy.
 
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reinoe said:
No, it's Republicans demanding that the state keep this woman alive regardless of her wishes, her husband's wishes, and her family's wishes.
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You mean the state is violating the "freedom" of someone else? Democrats.
 
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rocket88 said:
He did up until natural law would have dictated the fetus dying.
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You keep abusing that phrase.

If you want to talk about natural law, then I will counter - by natural law, the kid is alive and has a right to life.

Without medical care lots of people would die from lots of different things.

If disease or injury had claimed the kid's life, the kid would be dead, but it didn't and he didn't.

If you starve or suffocate someone they will die, that's true. One assumes that is what you mean when you say "natural law." Might makes right stupidity.

Keeping her on artificial life support is not related to pregnancy.
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Yes, providing medical care for his kid is an expense related to pregnancy.

Also, as already explained to you, there is nothing artificial about any of this from the kid's perspective.
 
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scatt said:
You mean the state is violating the "freedom" of someone else? Democrats.
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Did Democrats pass this law? Do they control the Texas legislature? How about the governor who signed it, was he a Democrat?

Seriously, go and research the answers to these questions and get back to us.
 
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JayDubya said:
Feel free to keep your bigotry to yourself; I'm already using age-neutral terms like "kid" for a reason.
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Yes for a reason. Liberals such as yourself are always playing political games.

JayDubya said:
Just because he doesn't wanna?
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He's following her wishes and her family's wishes. Since he's also the next of kin they're his wishes too and if he just doesn't wanna then that's his choice.
JayDubya said:
Should the "But I don't wanna" excuse work for born kids, too?
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Born children can be put up for adoption. Do you plan on adopting this fetus?
 
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JayDubya said:
You keep abusing that phrase.

If you want to talk about natural law, then I will counter - by natural law, the kid is alive and has a right to life.
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I didn't know that life support systems sprung up in nature. Do kangaroos and jaguars use them?
 
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Is the fetus considered a zombie?
 
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rocket88 said:
Did Democrats pass this law? Do they control the Texas legislature? How about the governor who signed it, was he a Democrat?
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You support all laws but this one?
 
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JayDubya said:
You keep abusing that phrase.

If you want to talk about natural law, then I will counter - by natural law, the kid is alive and has a right to life.

Without medical care lots of people would die from lots of different things.
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Naturally, the kid would die. Sucks, but it's true. That is nature, you are arguing against nature. We let people decide when they've had enough treatment in any other case.



Yes, providing medical care for his kid is an expense related to pregnancy.

Also, as already explained to you, there is nothing artificial about any of this from the kid's perspective.
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Life support on the woman is not an expense related to pregnancy. It's an expense related to keeping her alive and using her as an incubator.
 
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reinoe said:
Yes for a reason. Liberals such as yourself are always playing political games.
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:lamo :lamo :lamo

He's following her wishes and her family's wishes. Since he's also the next of kin they're his wishes too and if he just doesn't wanna then that's his choice.
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No, it's not. His kid, his bill.

Born children can be put up for adoption.
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That's true. At that point he doesn't have to actually raise the kid. Up until that point, he's on the hook.

Given that he is on record saying that he wants the hospital to perform an action that will kill this kid... which is pretty yikes, by the way... if he doesn't recant from that awful position, it would probably be for the best if he wasn't in this kid's life.
 
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scatt said:
You support all laws but this one?
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No, but I think if you're going to blame Democrats you should see who's responsible for it.
 
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rocket88 said:
Naturally, the kid would die.
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Again, if I starve you or suffocate you, so will you. Go nature? Woo.

By your standard, hospitals ain't natural. Let all disease run its course, the strong will survive, or something like that. :roll:

Life support on the woman is not an expense related to pregnancy.
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The life support is not for the dead patient. It's for the kid.

I realize, of course, that you don't think the kid matters and that he or she doesn't even count as a patient. I don't share your selective misanthropy, however.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
My only disagreement here would be in the fact that there is a third life here that is being protected and supported. Actively killing a developing child in order to appease the wishes of a grieving husband seems a little beyond the "marriage rights" argument. It reminds me of when pharaohs died and a few live servants were buried with the deceased because the pharaohs didn't want to "travel" alone.

There has to be more to this story than we know at this point. I don't understand at all a father and a grandmother not wanting to do everything possible to save the life of their developing child/grandchild.
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I think since Texas already permits abortion, then whether it is the mother making her own decision or the husband on her behalf, there is no difference. It is none of my business why the husband is making the decision, that is on him.
 
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rocket88 said:
No, but I think if you're going to blame Democrats you should see who's responsible for it.
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They are the same or more to blame. You can pick.
 
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reinoe said:
Republicans want the government out of people's lives only when it's convenient. Reminds me of the Terry Schiavo case.
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That's an interesting discussion I might have the next time I talk to my Senator, Bob Casey.
 
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JayDubya said:
Yes, and that bill goes to Mr. Munoz and his insurer.
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Well in that case, then the hospital should butt out since it is between Munoz and the insurer.

Glad you agree.
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
I think since Texas already permits abortion, then whether it is the mother making her own decision or the husband on her behalf, there is no difference. It is none of my business why the husband is making the decision, that is on him.
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I highly suspect he is making the decision, based on what his wife wanted, and had the foresight to put on paper.
 
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