Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer[W:173:381]

ric27 · Jan 25, 2014

Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

The Mark said:
It appears that what many are suggesting here is that the individual in question (Kelly?) did not resist until he started getting beaten even though he wasn't resisting.

Basically, I'm saying that, although I do not know whether it applies here or not.....your list does not take into account what you should do if you don't resist yet the police officer decides to beat the crap out of you anyway.

Being polite and not resisting helps a lot in avoiding an ass whippin'

An old and true educational video

Excon · Jan 25, 2014

Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

sKiTzo said:
What you are saying then is that there is NEVER a scenario that can be deemed excessive force, because, by your definition of excessive force, they have to have purposelyintended to crush his chest, but no cop is ever going to say he "purposely" intended to do it. Therefore, it is not up to the cop to decide whether excessive force was used, so what they "intended" is irrelevant.

Using your body weight to subdue a person is not excessive no matter how much you want it to be.

dolphinocean · Jan 25, 2014

Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

ric27 said:
Being polite and not resisting helps a lot in avoiding an ass whippin'

An old and true educational video

Sorry to burst your bubble, ric. Kelly did not violate any one of the pointers shown in your video.

Excon · Jan 25, 2014

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dolphinocean said:
Didn't you read all the posts from posters in this thread and another thread giving you their piece of mind before they threw up the towel on you? That's what they think, duh.

More logical fallacy from you huh? Figures.
You said, "Most people here and everywhere in the world". You have no idea what "most" people here or everywhere in the world think.
And I can basically guarantee you that "most" in this forum that may disagree with me, do not hold, or would make the same convoluted assertions you have made.

dolphinocean said:
In this country the jury can be tampered with during the jury selection and their selection can be stacked against whichever side if either side played the game well. That's why in this day and age we have trial and jury consultant business. Also, evidence against the accused cops were excluded so jury didn't get to hear the whole truth and the murdered became the main focus of defense character assassination that had absolutely nothing to do with the night of event. So, our jury system is not about getting to the bottom of the truth but about how well either side can play the system to win the case.

Meaningless drivel. Our system is what our system is.
Excluded evidence?
iLOL :doh

So, what evidence do you think was excluded?
:lamo

dolphinocean said:
But, here we are in the debate seeking for the truth based on all the evidence we can find and exclude none. So, your persistent attempt at hanging onto the jury verdict is just an exercise in futility based on logical fallacy.

The Jury is and was the final arbiter.
Their decision is the only one that matters. And their decision can not be wrong as long as long as it is based upon the law and within the evidence.
That is what you do not seem to understand. It can't be wrong. They are the final arbiter.

And while I point that out that the Jury's verdict is the finale analysis which you can not contend with, I have shown your assertions to be wrong on their own.
So try to focus.
Those are two separate things.

dolphinocean · Jan 25, 2014

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Excon said:
More logical fallacy from you huh? Figures.
You said, "Most people here and everywhere in the world". You have no idea what "most" people here or everywhere in the world think.
And I can basically guarantee you that "most" in this forum that may disagree with me, do not hold, or would make the same convoluted assertions you have made.

Meaningless drivel. Our system is what our system is.
Excluded evidence?
iLOL :doh

So, what evidence do you think was excluded?
:lamo

The Jury is and was the final arbiter.
Their decision is the only one that matters. And their decision can not be wrong as long as long as it is based upon the law and within the evidence.
That is what you do not seem to understand. It can't be wrong. They are the final arbiter.

And while I point that out that the Jury's verdict is the finale analysis which you can not contend with, I have shown your assertions to be wrong on their own.
So try to focus.
Those are two separate things.

So, do you have any more debatable and logical point other than ranting on your lost cause that had been beaten to death many times over? Learn how to concede error when you are clearly wrong, Excon.

Excon · Jan 25, 2014

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dolphinocean said:
So, do you have any more debatable and logical point other than ranting on your lost cause that had been beaten to death many times over?

Still showing you are wrong.
Especially as the illogical ranting has been all yours.

dolphinocean said:
Learn how to concede error when you are clearly wrong, Excon.

Yet it is you who are clearly wrong.
Even the Jury's verdict demonstrates that.

And way to dodge from showing what evidence you think was excluded.

DVSentinel · Jan 25, 2014

phattonez said:
Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer - latimes.com

I just got a text about this a few minutes ago. Wow. Wow wow. That's all I can say. I can't believe that they were found not guilty on all charges.

Right, because cops are not supposed to use force to protect themselves. Your full of ****. They cleaned one more dangerous person from the street. Good riddance. He shouldn't of resisted.

ric27 · Jan 25, 2014

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dolphinocean said:
Sorry to burst your bubble, ric. Kelly did not violate any one of the pointers shown in your video.

Good, I have you accepting, he did violate something

What *other* pointers did he violate that were not on that list/video?

dolphinocean · Jan 25, 2014

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Excon said:
Still showing you are wrong.
Especially as the illogical ranting has been all yours.

Yet it is you who are clearly wrong.
Even the Jury's verdict demonstrates that.

And way to dodge from showing what evidence you think was excluded.

You are preaching to the choir. How many members are there in your choir team? I see you just have a new member.

ric27 · Jan 25, 2014

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dolphinocean said:
You are preaching to the choir. How many members are there in your choir team? I see you just have a new member.

Stick to the topic

dolphinocean · Jan 25, 2014

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ric27 said:
Good, I have you accepting, he did violate something

What *other* pointers did he violate that were not on that list/video?

Do you want to make up the other pointers as you go along?

dolphinocean · Jan 25, 2014

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ric27 said:
Stick to the topic

What topic? You mean the one you supporters of rogue cops had been defeated? Lay to rest now.

ric27 · Jan 25, 2014

Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

dolphinocean said:
Do you want to make up the other pointers as you go along?

I'll make it easier for ya..a hint

Kelly did *something* therefore, the jury *unanimously* gave a not guilty verdict

What do you think that *something* is/was?

dolphinocean · Jan 25, 2014

Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

ric27 said:
I'll make it easier for ya..a hint

Kelly did *something* therefore, the jury *unanimously* gave a not guilty verdict

What do you think that *something* is/was?

Yawn... :beatdeadhorse

Excon · Jan 25, 2014

Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

dolphinocean said:
You are preaching to the choir. How many members are there in your choir team? I see you just have a new member.

I do not think you know what preaching to the choir means.

And still way to dodge the question asked. Figures.
You can't show any evidence that was was not admitted.

Excon · Jan 25, 2014

Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

dolphinocean said:
Yawn... :beatdeadhorse

Yep. That is what you have been doing all along. Kelly resisted and the Officers were not in the wrong for subduing him.

dolphinocean said:
What topic? You mean the one you supporters of rogue cops had been defeated? Lay to rest now.

:lamo

There was no rouge Cops. Just saying so says you do not even know what he word means.

It is your ridiculous assertion that have been defeated.

dolphinocean · Jan 25, 2014

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:golf:golf

Excon said:
Yep. That is what you have been doing all along. Kelly resisted and the Officers were not in the wrong for subduing him.

:yawn: :violin :drink

sKiTzo · Jan 25, 2014

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Excon said:
Using your body weight to subdue a person is not excessive no matter how much you want it to be.

You didn't answer my question. He had the body weight of at least 3-4 of them crushing his chest. That's 500-800 lbs.. What do you consider excessive force? 900 lbs.? A ton?

dolphinocean · Jan 25, 2014

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Excon said:
I do not think you know what preaching to the choir means.

And still way to dodge the question asked. Figures.
You can't show any evidence that was was not admitted.

:yawn: :violin: :2dancing:

Excon · Jan 25, 2014

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dolphinocean said:
:golf:golf

:yawn: :violin :drink

More dodging an deflecting from your false claims huh.
Figures.

dolphinocean · Jan 25, 2014

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:lamo:lamo

Excon said:
More dodging an deflecting from your false claims huh.
Figures.

:lamo :lamo :lamo

Excon · Jan 25, 2014

Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

sKiTzo said:
You didn't answer my question. He had the body weight of at least 3-4 of them crushing his chest. That's 500-800 lbs.. What do you consider excessive force? 900 lbs.? A ton?

What?
There was no question in this exchange. What you are replying to, a reply of mine to what you said, contained no question.

Secondly; That is an assumption on your part. Not what the video shows.

But lets say yuou are correct and go with their full weight (an absurd claim) bearing down on Kelly.
Kelly was still resisting. You can here an Officer telling him to stop.
An Officer saying he was still fighting.

If that is what it took to subdue him, it was required, not excessive.

Kelly Thomas Trial Update: Defense tells jury to analyze case 'without the emotion' | 89.3 KPCC

Excon · Jan 25, 2014

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dolphinocean said:
:lamo:lamo
:lamo :lamo :lamo

You can laugh at yourself for being wrong all you want.
It doesn't change the facts, or the fact that you are wrong.

dolphinocean said:
Also, evidence against the accused cops were excluded

False claim.
And when challenged, he refuses to back it up with actual evidence.

Figures.

You also should read this.
Kelly Thomas Trial Update: Defense tells jury to analyze case 'without the emotion' | 89.3 KPCC

dolphinocean · Jan 25, 2014

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Excon said:
Kelly was still resisting. You can here an Officer telling him to stop.
An Officer saying he was still fighting.

If that is what it took to subdue him, it was required, not excessive.

Kelly Thomas Trial Update: Defense tells jury to analyze case 'without the emotion' | 89.3 KPCC

Yeah right, going by rogue cops' words as if they were gold. Of course they had to say that into the mic they were wearing in order to justify beating the crap out of a person who were merely reacting reflexively to being beaten and crushed to death. Just take a look at the video and then look at your self into the mirror. That's all you have to do.

dolphinocean · Jan 25, 2014

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Excon said:
You can laugh at yourself for being wrong all you want.
It doesn't change the facts, or the fact that you are wrong.

False claim.
And when challenged, he refuses to back it up with actual evidence.

Figures.

You also should read this.
Kelly Thomas Trial Update: Defense tells jury to analyze case 'without the emotion' | 89.3 KPCC

You have been thoroughly defeated. You're now dismissed.