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Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer[W:173:381]

Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

There is not one second that he was physically aggressive towards anyone or any police officer. The only physical aggression was at him. verbal threat of violence. Physical act of violence. Nor did he resist arrest. He resisted being crushed into concrete.

...and police work is like sausage; everybody likes the end result, but nobody wants to see it being made.

Who do you think imposes, *the use of force policies* to their officers? Its the command staff at the direction and mandate of City Council
 
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:lamo
More absurdity. What words do you think I need to eat?
My saying I hope that isn't what you used? Or perhaps it is me saying that what you allege is false?

Well you are wrong again. This does not support the accusations you have made. What you allege is false. So the words are yours to eat.

As I previously stated, there is nothing alleging a falsifying of any report, which is what you allege. So get eating your words.
As stated. That was nothing other than your own biased imagination.


Secondly. The trainer is the expert, not the terminating authority, or a investigative authority.
Their opinions matter not to the court proceedings. Only the trainers, as he is the expert as to whether or not their actions were within the training they received.
Maybe you do not understand the Jury process, but they are to base their decision on the evidence. Not on conclusion others drew from the evidence.
Their conclusions are not evidence.
But the trainers opinion on what falls within what is trained, is evidence.


And no, this is not why folks are crying foul. Most folks are going on emotion and drawing ridiculously absurd conclusions in their imagination like you have done.

1. I alleged the police were allowed to rewrite their reports. You don't rewrite something unless you are changing the information. If you are changing the information, it means one of the reports, either the first one or the new one, is FALSIFIED.

2. I've posted a video that shows a press conference where the internal affairs investigator confirms this.

3. You can't have any better evidence than full admission by the internal affairs investigator, so the ONLY choice of response for you is an acknowledgement.

4. Instead of acknowledgement, and, exactly as I said you would, you pretend that this 100% irrefutable rock solid evidence doesn't exist. Truth is, you didn't even click on the link.

5. You are therefore, exposed. I don't know what the DP policy is regarding paid shills, but I'm reporting you so I guess we'll find out. You not only make a mockery of the forum, but of justice as a whole.
 
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1. I alleged the police were allowed to rewrite their reports. You don't rewrite something unless you are changing the information. If you are changing the information, it means one of the reports, either the first one or the new one, is FALSIFIED.

2. I've posted a video that shows a press conference where the internal affairs investigator confirms this.

3. You can't have any better evidence than full admission by the internal affairs investigator, so the ONLY choice of response for you is an acknowledgement.

4. Instead of acknowledgement, and, exactly as I said you would, you pretend that this 100% irrefutable rock solid evidence doesn't exist. Truth is, you didn't even click on the link.

5. You are therefore, exposed. I don't know what the DP policy is regarding paid shills, but I'm reporting you so I guess we'll find out. You not only make a mockery of the forum, but of justice as a whole.

The jury completely accepted all rational evidence/facts and as a result found a NOT GUILTY decision

This is what YOU must acknowledge
 
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1. I alleged the police were allowed to rewrite their reports.
You alleged falsification. That is not apparent.
So you were wrong.

You don't rewrite something unless you are changing the information. If you are changing the information, it means one of the reports, either the first one or the new one, is FALSIFIED.
Wrong. You have no clue what needed rewriting or further explanation in the reports. So stop assuming retarded imaginative bs.

2. I've posted a video that shows a press conference where the internal affairs investigator confirms this.
And?
It is meaningless to your claim of falsification, as they do not allege such.

3. You can't have any better evidence than full admission by the internal affairs investigator, so the ONLY choice of response for you is an acknowledgement.
Admission?
Admission to what? Not to what you have alleged.

This person spoke of their conclusions, not admissions. There conclusions are not evidence. Do you really not know that?


4. Instead of acknowledgement, and, exactly as I said you would, you pretend that this 100% irrefutable rock solid evidence doesn't exist. Truth is, you didn't even click on the link.
iLOL Acknowledgement of what?
What Rock solid evidence?
You have none.
Your claim that there was falsification has not come to fruition. The claim is nothing more than the product of an over active imagination.


5. You are therefore, exposed. I don't know what the DP policy is regarding paid shills, but I'm reporting you so I guess we'll find out. You not only make a mockery of the forum, but of justice as a whole.
Exposed. The only thing exposed is your false claim.
You made a claim of falsification and there is no such evidence that there was.
Paid shill? That is hilarious. Just because you can't get the facts straight and choose to make false claims, in no way makes me a paid shill.
 
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You alleged falsification. That is not apparent.
So you were wrong.

Wrong. You have no clue what needed rewriting or further explanation in the reports. So stop assuming retarded imaginative bs.

And?
It is meaningless to your claim of falsification, as they do not allege such.

Admission?
Admission to what? Not to what you have alleged.

This person spoke of their conclusions, not admissions. There conclusions are not evidence. Do you really not know that?


iLOL Acknowledgement of what?
What Rock solid evidence?
You have none.
Your claim that there was falsification has not come to fruition. The claim is nothing more than the product of an over active imagination.


Exposed. The only thing exposed is your false claim.
You made a claim of falsification and there is no such evidence that there was.
Paid shill? That is hilarious. Just because you can't get the facts straight and choose to make false claims, in no way makes me a paid shill.

Your bias is so extreme that it interferes with your perception of reality. You are saying then, that the report rendered at this city council meeting by the office of internal affairs is not to be taken as fact? You're not being very realistic. In your world, it may not be fact, but in the public domain this is evidence admissible in a court of law. That it wasn't admitted serves to prove my point, not yours.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Your bias is so extreme that it interferes with your perception of reality.
That would be you.
You are the one making a false claim.
Not me.
The video does not show what you purport. It does not support your false claim.


You are saying then, that the report rendered at this city council meeting by the office of internal affairs is not to be taken as fact?
What I have said, and will continue to say is that it does not support what you contend. There was no falsification.
And that it's conclusions matter not to a Jury. Do you really not understand these things?


You're not being very realistic.
:doh
Your claims are what are not realistic.
They are based on imaginative bs.


In your world, it may not be fact, but in the public domain this is evidence admissible in a court of law.
:doh
No it is not evidence, nor is it admissible.


That it wasn't admitted serves to prove my point, not yours.
The fact that it wasn't admitted should tell you that it wasn't evidence or admissible.


And again, as you were previously told. You do not get the jury process if you believe such.

The Jury comes to a conclusion based on the evidence alone. Duh!
Not on an agencies conclusions of the same evidence. That agencies conclusions are not evidence. Duh!
 
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Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

This is just another case of the system defending violent cops.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

This is just another case of the system defending violent cops.
The system?
A jury represents the people.

Anyways, these Officer were doing their job with a person who was resisting with great force.
It was unfortunate he died because he chose to resist, but it is not criminal on their part.

At most, it is as opportunity to review and/or enhance training to establish protocol for such extreme situations. Training that will avoid the use of the body where it could unintentionally crush the chest.
 
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The system?
A jury represents the people.

I'm guessing people, lawyers aren't part of the system and neither are juries. Hahaha wait, they are. ;)
 
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I'm guessing people, lawyers aren't part of the system and neither are juries. Hahaha wait, they are. ;)
"The system" as generally referred to, was trying to convict them.
And I highly doubt you meant System in any other non-standard fashion.
 
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"The system" as generally referred to, was trying to convict them.

The system as generally referred to? By whom? You? Lol, spare me this nonsense game you play where only the definitions you like apply. The system defended them. Which is why they're free but not innocent of having beaten a man so badly he died from his injuries. :)
 
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The system as generally referred to? By whom? You? Lol, spare me this nonsense game you play where only the definitions you like apply. The system defended them.
There you go again spouting nonsense.
Pretend all you want. Doesn't change what I said.


The "system" is what was trying to convict them.
So can your bs.






Which is why they're free but not innocent of having beaten a man so badly he died from his injuries.
A few baton strikes and kicks, and four raps to the head with a taser breaking fragile bones is hardly being beaten so badly.
It looked worse than it was. Mostly swelling and blood. That is all.

And his asphyxiation, caused by his chest being crushed, is what killed him.
You could say that the blood form his broken nose enhanced his inability to breath.
But he died because his chest was crushed.
 
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There you go again spouting nonsense.
Pretend all you want. Doesn't change what I said. The "system" is what was trying to convict them.
So can your bs.

The system defended him. Take it up with the system buddy. Not me. :)

A few baton strikes and kicks, and four raps to the head with a taser breaking fragile bones is hardly being beaten so badly.

There you go again putting your opinion before facts. The coroner's conclusion was he died because of injuries sustained. This, as a fact, makes his beating a bad one - bad enough to cause death. Don't like it? Take it up with the coroner. :)
 
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The system defended him. Take it up with the system buddy. Not me. :)
No it didn't. You saying such is absurd.

The system is what was trying to convict him.
It was not trying to defend them.
They got their own lawyers for that.


There you go again putting your opinion before facts. The coroner's conclusion was he died because of injuries sustained. This, as a fact, makes his beating a bad one - bad enough to cause death. Don't like it? Take it up with the coroner. :)
Wrong.

It was a result of asphyxiation caused by his chest being crushed.
A lack of oxygen from his facial injuries would not have caused death and are only contributing factors.
The chest being crushed though, would have.

This has already been addressed.
I already provided what the coroner supposedly said. (See actual quote below and read the article.)

But her testimony is questionable.
She is on the record saying it was a discrete act of compression that caused his death.
She says what she said was misinterpreted.

So be thankful I am going with what I am.
As she was all over the place.



Aruna Singhania, an Orange County coroner’s office pathologist, testified that Thomas died of brain damage from lack of oxygen caused by chest compression and injuries to his face.
Coroner's testimony in Kelly Thomas beating challenged

The other injuries, as I already addressed, contributed to, but his chest being crushed caused the asphyxiation as he would have likely survived had it not been crushed.

And just to complicate things further.
She later made her determination based on the following.
Not the actual injuries that she originally saw three months prior. :doh


Singhania said that after examining Thomas' body she couldn't determine the cause of death but reached a conclusion about three months later after conducting a toxicology report, a microscopic review and watching the video of the 2011 beating.


You might want to actually learn what the evidence is before speaking about that which you know not.
 
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No it didn't. You saying such is absurd.

The system is what was trying to convict him.
It was not trying to defend them.
They got their own lawyers for that.

Lawyers paid for by team members from the police department, lawyers facing city lawyers known for not really addressing police brutality. In effect, the system worked. It protected their own as per usual and then hired pansies to perform a mock trial. The system defended them.

Aruna Singhania, an Orange County coroner’s office pathologist, testified that Thomas died of brain damage from lack of oxygen caused by chest compression and injuries to his face.
Coroner's testimony in Kelly Thomas beating challenged
Singhania said that after examining Thomas' body she couldn't determine the cause of death but reached a conclusion about three months later after conducting a toxicology report, a microscopic review and watching the video of the 2011 beating.

Yep, the chest crushing is part of the beating. Don't like it? Take it up with common sense. Either you're being facetious or you don't understand that a beating doesn't just involve hitting somebody with a baton. The fact that they crushed his chest is also part of the beating. In effect, they beat him to death. :shrug:
 
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Lawyers paid for by team members from the police department, lawyers facing city lawyers known for not really addressing police brutality. In effect, the system worked. It protected their own as per usual and then hired pansies to perform a mock trial. The system defended them.
The system did not defend then. It prosecuted them.
Learn the difference.




Yep, the chest crushing is part of the beating. Don't like it? Take it up with common sense. Either you're being facetious or you don't understand that a beating doesn't just involve hitting somebody with a baton. The fact that they crushed his chest is also part of the beating. In effect, they beat him to death. :shrug:
You are simple wrong.
The compression of his chest was not part of any beating. What an absurd thing to say.
It was a result of trying to subdue him.
Not beat him.

Learn the difference.
 
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The system did not defend then. It prosecuted them.

Nope, it defended them. :shrug:

You are simple wrong.
The compression of his chest was not part of any beating. What an absurd thing to say.
It was a result of trying to subdue him.
Not beat him.

Lol, you're being facetious aren't you? You obviously do not understand that beatings aren't jut hitting somebody with a baton. If they had choked him, would that not have constituted part of the beating? Yeah, you're being facetious. Just like the time where you kept going on about how a group of lawyers paid for by members of the police department, facing city lawyers known for ignoring police brutality and supported by a jury made up of well off, poor hating residents is not "the system defending the cops". I'm sorry you do not like facts and common sense - but the facts are: the beating in its entirety killed him. Who provided the beating? The cops. They killed him through the injuries encompassed by their beating. :shrug:
 
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Nope, it defended them.
Stop being absurd. No it didn't.
It prosecuted and tried to convict them. At no point did the system defend them.
If you don't like that, tuff take a poll. Maybe you can get some idiots to agree with you.
It stil will =not change the fact that the System prosecuted and tried to convict them.





Lol, you're being facetious aren't you? You obviously do not understand that beatings aren't jut hitting somebody with a baton. If they had choked him, would that not have constituted part of the beating? Yeah, you're being facetious. Just like the time where you kept going on about how a group of lawyers paid for by members of the police department, facing city lawyers known for ignoring police brutality and supported by a jury made up of well off, poor hating residents is not "the system defending the cops". I'm sorry you do not like facts and common sense - but the facts are: the beating in its entirety killed him. Who provided the beating? The cops. They killed him, the injuries through their beating killed him. :shrug:
The crushing was a result of trying to subdue him caused by the weight of the Officers.
That is not a beating. Your example of choking is also not an example of a beating. It is choking.

Sorry you do not like the facts, but you do not get to change them to suite your own narrative.
He was not beaten to death.


And this crap about who was paying for the Officers?
Try again.

And not that it matters because you are wrong in what you assert, but that isn't the system either.
 
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Stop being absurd. No it didn't.

It sure did - look at the results. :)

The crushing was a result of trying to subdue him caused by the weight of the Officers.
That is not a beating. Your example of choking is also not an example of a beating. It is choking.

Sorry you do not like the facts, but you do not get to change them to suite your own narrative.
He was not beaten to death.

And this crap about who was paying for the Officers?
Try again.
Especially as that is not the system either.

Ah, so now cops, lawyers paid for by cops and city lawyers known for ignoring police brutality are not part of the system. Also, physical abuse taken during a beating does not constitute as part of the beating. I'm sorry, but this is beyond my ability now. You'll have to refer to the dictionary if you do not like the definitions of the system and want to make your own. May I suggest you start by removing physical abuse (which includes chest crushing) as a constituent of beatings?
 
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It sure did - look at the results.
Wrong.



Ah, so now cops, lawyers paid for by cops and city lawyers known for ignoring police brutality are not part of the system. Also, physical abuse taken during a beating does not constitute as part of the beating. I'm sorry, but this is beyond my ability now. You'll have to refer to the dictionary if you do not like the definitions of the system and want to make your own. May I suggest you start by removing physical abuse (which includes chest crushing) as a constituent of beatings?
The crushing was a result of trying to subdue him caused by the weight of the Officers.
That is not a beating. Your example of choking is also not an example of a beating. It is choking.

Sorry you do not like the facts, but you do not get to change them to suite your own narrative.
He was not beaten to death.


And this crap about who was paying for the Officers?
Try again.
You might want to actually research this before you continue spouting this nonsense.


And not that it matters because you are wrong in what you assert, but that isn't the system either.
 
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You are wrong joko, and you know you are wrong.
He laid hands on the Officer. That is aggressive behavior.
And yes he did resist.


False and false.
 
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...and police work is like sausage; everybody likes the end result, but nobody wants to see it being made.

Who do you think imposes, *the use of force policies* to their officers? Its the command staff at the direction and mandate of City Council

If you have anything to show what happened was on the "mandate of City Council" present it.
 
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False and false.
Yes you are asserting false information joko. And you know you are.

He laid hands on the Officer. That is aggressive behavior.
And yes he did resist.
 
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Yes you are asserting false information joko. And you know you are.

He laid hands on the Officer. That is aggressive behavior.
And yes he did resist.

No, he did not resist arrest. He did resist being crushed into concrete while being massively and violently assaulted by police officers. He resisted being killed - a reason to kill him in your opinion.
 
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