Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer[W:173:381]

Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Excon said:

:doh
It took multiple strikes, taserings and 6 Officers to finally get him pinned.


Out of the blue? iLOL
:doh
Stating a fact for those who would review the video, is relevant.

Your opposition to that fact being stated tells us all we really need to know about your intent in providing the video.

Too bad.



:lamo:lamo:lamo
Dude. Get a grip. If not, follow your own advice.

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It took six officers to blow down multiple strikes, taserings to finally get an unarmed 130 lb homeless guy pinned? And you don't think it's excessively brutal and inept to say the least? Here, take a look at the following video of how one single police officer was able to take down and pinned an armed man resisting arrest without even having to resort to police brutality:






Notice how quick the lone police man was able to subdue the guy and handcuffed him without resorting to bloody violence. Not even a scratch. Notice also the officer was still able to ask the suspect some question while he held him down. And throughout it all, that officer was very professional and was still concerned about the welfare of the guy he detained.


So, when are you going to jump around yakking away: "the earth is not flat"?

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Excon said:

iLOL Immense police brutality? :doh
It shows no such thing.
It shows injuries that Kelly sustained while resisting.

It is remarkable that there isn't more injuries.

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Kelly wasn't resisting. He was reacting to the terror and pain of being severely beaten with police battons, tased multiple times, pummeled in the face and head with the butt of taser and for being about to be crushed to death.

Even if, that is a big IF, he resisted, there is no justification whatsoever for those six officers to beat him to death. My above post with a video of one single officer taking down a truly resisting armed man goes to show that what those six officers did was immensely brutal and excessively overkill. They are criminals in police uniform, that's all.

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dolphinocean said:

It took six officers to blow down multiple strikes, taserings to finally get an unarmed 130 lb homeless guy pinned? And you don't think it's excessively brutal and inept to say the least? Here, take a look at the following video of how one single police officer was able to take down and pinned an armed man resisting arrest without even having to resort to police brutality:



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Notice how quick the lone police man was able to subdue the guy and handcuffed him without resorting to bloody violence. Not even a scratch. Notice also the officer was still able to ask the suspect some question while he held him down. And throughout it all, that officer was very professional and was still concerned about the welfare of the guy he detained.


So, when are you going to jump around yakking away: "the earth is not flat"?

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Are you still yaking nonsense?
Figures.
Is that video of Kelly and the Officers involved?
What was that? It isn't?
Is that a manufactured dramatic recreation for television? It is!
Then it is irrelevant.

I could bring forth multiple real videos to juxtapose the difference between a person resisting and one who is not.
Such a demonstration would clearly show Kelly was resisting.

dolphinocean said:

Kelly wasn't resisting. He was reacting to the terror and pain of being severely beaten with police battons, tased multiple times, pummeled in the face and head with the butt of taser and for being about to be crushed to death.

Even if, that is a big IF, he resisted, there is no justification whatsoever for those six officers to beat him to death. My above post with a video of one single officer taking down a truly resisting armed man goes to show that what those six officers did was immensely brutal and excessively overkill. They are criminals in police uniform, that's all.

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Wrong. Kelly was resisting and already showed he wasn't afraid.
He challenged the officer to start swinging. Duh!

And your video shows nothing of the sort. It is funny that you think it does.
You can not compare one incident to anther.


A saying he wasn't resisting, is quite a ludicrous claim.
He knew he was resisting. The Officers knew he was resisting.
He was resisting.

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Excon said:

Are you still yaking nonsense?
Figures.
Is that video of Kelly and the Officers involved?
What was that? It isn't?
Is that a manufactured dramatic recreation for television? It is!
Then it is irrelevant.

I could bring forth multiple real videos to juxtapose the difference between a person resisting and one who is not.
Such a demonstration would clearly show Kelly was resisting.


Wrong. Kelly was resisting and already showed he wasn't afraid.
He challenged the officer to start swinging. Duh!

And your video shows nothing of the sort. It is funny that you think it does.
You can not compare one incident to anther.


A saying he wasn't resisting, is quite a ludicrous claim.
He knew he was resisting. The Officers knew he was resisting.
He was resisting.

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Manufactured dramatic recreation for television? Aren't you even able to read? It's from National Geographic. Yeah right, when you lost your ground all you can do is attack the messenger. The video clearly showed that one good well trained officer can take down an armed resisting suspect without having to beat that person half to death or torture him with taser numerous times to the chest.

Those six thugs who beat and tortured Kelly, who weren't even resisting except to struggle and plead for his life, were not only savages but also severely out of shape as compared to the lone officer in the video I posted. Kelly did not resist, he even put out his hands and asked Ramos to take him to jail and get over it (the police harassment). But, Ramos refused and said he hadn't done with him. Ramos intended to beat him down that night and was itching for the opportunity as he progressed further into his intimidation to get Kelly tripped up.

Like I said, you are incapable of impartial and objective discernment when you're stuck into your position as always.

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dolphinocean said:

Manufactured dramatic recreation for television? Aren't you even able to read? It's from National Geographic.

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Ah hello!
That is a manufactured recreation.
Do you honestly not know that?

dolphinocean said:

Yeah right, when you lost your ground all you can do is attack the messenger.

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Pointing that out that it is indeed a manufactured recreation for television is not attacking the messenger. Duh!

dolphinocean said:

The video clearly showed that one good well trained officer can take down an armed resisting suspect without having to beat that person half to death or torture him with taser numerous times to the chest.

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NO it does not show any such thing applicable to this case.
It is ridiculous to think it does.

dolphinocean said:

Those six thugs who beat and tortured Kelly,

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Nothing but imaginative tripe.

dolphinocean said:

who weren't even resisting except to struggle and plead for his life,

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Kelly was resisting and was even lying about not being able to breath in the beginning. You know that because he had air flow which enabled him to speak.

dolphinocean said:

were not only savages

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More imaginative tripe.

dolphinocean said:

but also severely out of shape as compared to the lone officer in the video I posted.

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You mean actor don't you? It was a manufactured for tv recreation. Do you really not understand that?

It has no relevance.

dolphinocean said:

Kelly did not resist,

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More imaginative tripe.

dolphinocean said:

Ramos intended to beat him down that night and was itching for the opportunity as he progressed further into his intimidation to get Kelly tripped up.

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More absurdly imaginative tripe.

dolphinocean said:

Like I said, you are incapable of impartial and objective discernment when you're stuck into your position as always.

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Like you said? iLOL :doh :lamo:lamo
You have no credibility in what you say here. It is nothing more than imaginative tripe.
The jury found them not guilty because they aren't. Get over it.

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dolphinocean said:

It took six officers to blow down multiple strikes, taserings to finally get an unarmed 130 lb homeless guy pinned? And you don't think it's excessively brutal and inept to say the least? Here, take a look at the following video of how one single police officer was able to take down and pinned an armed man resisting arrest without even having to resort to police brutality:






Notice how quick the lone police man was able to subdue the guy and handcuffed him without resorting to bloody violence. Not even a scratch. Notice also the officer was still able to ask the suspect some question while he held him down. And throughout it all, that officer was very professional and was still concerned about the welfare of the guy he detained.


So, when are you going to jump around yakking away: "the earth is not flat"?

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Those aren't real cops... real cops start with violence the mili-second that you even look at them wrong. The cop on your video is a *****.

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I would not say that it was murder... not even close. Not sure about mansluaghter either... excessive use of force? One or two of them... yes.

Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

dolphinocean said:

It took six officers to blow down multiple strikes, taserings to finally get an unarmed 130 lb homeless guy pinned? And you don't think it's excessively brutal and inept to say the least? Here, take a look at the following video of how one single police officer was able to take down and pinned an armed man resisting arrest without even having to resort to police brutality:

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Totally unfair compairson. These cops in this video are in shape. Lets level the playing field and put about 40 pounds of lard around their midsection and lets see how they respond..

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dolphinocean said:

Evasion much? So, I'm not going to be drawn deeper into your evasion. Your original point was that the six police officers needed to protect themselves from Kelly. And my point is that Kelly was on the ground and being pinned down, beaten and tased by the six men. So, what's there to protect?

My previous post should have read "There was brawl NO coming from Kelly Thomas...."

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Kelly kept on resisting and like many other EDP's...on pain compliance. It's not specific to any drug but what is happening inside the brain.

EDP's do not feel pain, at all, ever.

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ric27 said:

Kelly kept on resisting and like many other EDP's...on pain compliance. It's not specific to any drug but what is happening inside the brain.

EDP's do not feel pain, at all, ever.

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I am not sure he will understand that you mean an Emotionally Disturbed Person.

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Crosscheck said:

Totally unfair compairson. These cops in this video are in shape. Lets level the playing field and put about 40 pounds of lard around their midsection and lets see how they respond..

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Well it did take one in-shape cop and two civilians to finale subdue the guy.

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Bodhisattva said:

I would not say that it was murder... not even close. Not sure about mansluaghter either... excessive use of force? One or two of them... yes.

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Negative.

Just like, the Rodney King incident is not an example of excessive force. Could things have been done differently? Yes. Excessive force? Nope.

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Excon said:

Wasn't manslaughter either.
Thankfully the jury does not agree with you.
They were doing their jobs and acted in accord to what they were presented with. A person resiting with great force.
A person who was not subdued after 5 - 6 taserings.
A person who they had to call in multiples of back up to get under control.

Kelly brought about his own death.

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The boot-licking propensity is strong in this one. You are clearly insane. You're a danger to those around you, sadly probably not to yourself.

I only got to page eight of this thread; there was nothing special about Excon's post above which prompted response, it was the upwelling of bile which could no longer be contained.

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And it looks like my post follows another of similar ilk.

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Kat Dorman said:

The boot-licking propensity is strong in this one. You are clearly insane. You're a danger to those around you, sadly probably not to yourself.

I only got to page eight of this thread; there was nothing special about Excon's post above which prompted response, it was the upwelling of bile which could no longer be contained.

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Too bad for you the facts agree with my position.

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By the way, just to pre-empt any notion of discussion... it's clear you (Excon) were correctly identified as a troll in the early part of the thread, and I see you have well-honed expertise in being repulsive and abhorrent in your boorish role of troll. I've no need to hang around to see you disgorge the same. Bye.

Edit: in case that wasn't perfectly clear, I didn't come here to engage a cretin, I came here to insult them. Will happily take any moderator sanctions. Double 'em, in fact. Some things go beyond tea-time protocol, and this is one of them. ****, ban me over this - it's absolutely worth it. Far better than death by compression for "resiting"... :lamo

Moron.

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Kat Dorman said:

By the way, just to pre-empt any notion of discussion... it's clear you (Excon) were correctly identified as a troll in the early part of the thread, and I see you have well-honed expertise in being repulsive and abhorrent in your boorish role of troll. I've no need to hang around to see you disgorge the same. Bye.

Edit: in case that wasn't perfectly clear, I didn't come here to engage a cretin, I came here to insult them. Will happily take any moderator sanctions. Double 'em, in fact. Some things go beyond tea-time protocol, and this is one of them. ****, ban me over this - it's absolutely worth it. Far better than death by compression for "resiting"... :lamo

Moron.

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Discussing the facts is not being a troll. So you are wrong as that person is.
Nor can I help it if you do not like the evidence or the reality of it. It is what it is. And the Jury saw it for what it was.
It was in the Officers favor. Kelly was in the wrong for resisting.

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Excon said:

Even if those efforts were legal and in the line of duty?
Yeah it does pretty much matter. That is the whole point.
There actions were in response to his actions, and occurred in the legal performance of their duties.
And while tragic, makes them non-criminal.

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you don't need to be defensive im not judging them for fatally injuring the man when I note that they did but the fact that they did should be acknowledged

the argument in this thread yes is mainly about weather it was justified or truly legal(not just ruled legal) but either way they injured the guy fatally is all im saying hear

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After the FBI investigation is finished this might end up in a Federal court.

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blarg said:

you don't need to be defensive im not judging them for fatally injuring the man when I note that they did but the fact that they did should be acknowledged

the argument in this thread yes is mainly about weather it was justified or truly legal(not just ruled legal) but either way they injured the guy fatally is all im saying hear

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Defensive? :doh
Replying to what you stated is not being defensive.

Your reply trying to defend what you said though, is being defensive.
The question remains as to why you think stating what is already known, was needed?
Especially as you have just stated that you knew what this thread mainly dealt with.

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shrubnose said:

After the FBI investigation is finished this might end up in a Federal court.

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Maybe. Highly unlikely though.

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Excon said:

Defensive? :doh
Replying to what you stated is not being defensive.

Your reply trying to defend what you said though, is being defensive.
The question remains as to why you think stating what is already known, was needed?
Especially as you have just stated that you knew what this thread mainly dealt with.

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you appeared to me to to be saying that the police did not cause the mans death so long as they acted legally and professionally I guess I misunderstood you sorry

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Kat Dorman said:

The boot-licking propensity is strong in this one. You are clearly insane. You're a danger to those around you, sadly probably not to yourself.

I only got to page eight of this thread; there was nothing special about Excon's post above which prompted response, it was the upwelling of bile which could no longer be contained.

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The law and jury completely disagrees with you

Anything else?

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shrubnose said:

After the FBI investigation is finished this might end up in a Federal court.

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Not gonna happen

Lawyers of LEOs involved sue for libel and slander

Even *if* they don't get their jobs back, they'll get *a nice nest egg*

We are talking mega dollars, dude

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Excon said:

Ah hello!
That is a manufactured recreation.
Do you honestly not know that?




Pointing that out that it is indeed a manufactured recreation for television is not attacking the messenger. Duh!


NO it does not show any such thing applicable to this case.
It is ridiculous to think it does.


Nothing but imaginative tripe.


Kelly was resisting and was even lying about not being able to breath in the beginning. You know that because he had air flow which enabled him to speak.


More imaginative tripe.


You mean actor don't you? It was a manufactured for tv recreation. Do you really not understand that?

It has no relevance.


More imaginative tripe.


More absurdly imaginative tripe.


Like you said? iLOL :doh :lamo:lamo
You have no credibility in what you say here. It is nothing more than imaginative tripe.
The jury found them not guilty because they aren't. Get over it.

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So, you think National Geographic just manufactured the story out of thin air? Or you think it was actually six cops brutally beaten an unarmed man to death but they "manufactured" it as one lone cop handling the arrest without severe injury?


But nevermind, there are plenty of videos about lone cops taking down much more violent criminals. The following video contains a lot of actual police cam videos of violence encounters police had to deal with often by themselves alone. Go to 11:00 on the above video and you will see one lone state trooper subdued a man who actually put up a fierce resistance to an arrest without having to brutal beat that guy into a pulp. Kelly, the other hand was beaten, tased and tortured for ten minutes:









Here are more, some with violent criminals who not only resisted arrest but also beat up police officers or put everybody's life in danger during intense car chase and yet the criminals were not beaten let alone savagely:


COPS TV SHOW, Resisting Arrest, Fort Worth Police Department - YouTube


LiveLeak.com - Philadelphia Highway Patrol


OVI suspect resists arrest - YouTube


Finally A Trained Security Guard | Memphis, TN - YouTube


Two arrested after fighting an FHP trooper - NBC-2.com WBBH News for Fort Myers, Cape Coral & Naples, Florida
Police Taser VS. Big Guy - YouTube


Are all those police cam videos all manufactured too? Now stop pretending that a lone cop or state trooper never had to encounter a situation where they had to arrest a violent element resisting arrest. You can stick your head in the sand to defend your men if you insist to.

Your willingness to defend rogue cops and your unreasonable justification of such police brutality is what foment public misconception about police officers in general. It only gives criminals more reason to hate the cops and wanting to kill them and thus putting good cops in great peril than they already have been.