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Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer[W:173:381]

Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Kobie said:
I wouldn't say he was being "cooperative;" however, his level of "resistance" did not merit the force used to subdue (and eventually kill) him. If cops are going to use force, it is their responsibility to use an appropriate level of force. They clearly did not in this case.
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A lot of that "resistance" is the body natural attempt to breathe. Any animal just not humans is going to give every effort to breathe.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Kobie said:
Precisely. And once the use of force has been self-justified, there seems to be no concept of degree. It's either no force, or beat the guy within an inch of his life (or worse).
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See....Liberals and Libertarians can get along (albeit on most topics aside from guns and money)
 
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MichaelJR said:
See....Liberals and Libertarians can get along (albeit on most topics aside from guns and money)
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I have a lot of "libertarian" views, except when it comes to economics.
 
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Kobie said:
I have a lot of "libertarian" views, except when it comes to economics.
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And I have a ton of "liberal" views, except when it comes to economics, gov programs, and...well guns. I love guns.

See that...we may yet share a drink and a healthy debate.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

disneydude said:
Have you watched the video? The blow was absolutely unprovoked....and BTW...I think any reasonable person would try to get away from a cop that just landed a blow to your midsection with his baton. The guy knew that these cops were going to beat the **** out of him.
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You are talking horse ****.
Obviously you haven't watched the video as it was not unprovoked.

As already provided, so pay attention.
Kelly laid hands on an Officer and then failed to comply when told to get on the ground. And instead of complying he then attempted to flee.

Kelly provoked it use.



disneydude said:
Sorry...but the law is clear, there is no law against resisting an unlawful use of force.
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iLOL
There was no unlawful use of force.
Where do you come up with this bs?



disneydude said:
In fact, the jury instructions are very clear that ... Try again.
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:doh
iLOL
You try again.

As it is very clear that the jury found in favor of the Officers.
 
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TML said:
Cops beat a man to the point that he dies, and it’s the man’s fault for resisting.
I’m sorry but I’m awestruck that there are people this stupid in the world.
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1. They did not beat the man to death.
2. Of course he is at wrong for resisting. Youtube is replete with examples of non-resistance during arrest. Do you need me to provided some of these videos as examples so you understand that he was resiting?
Do you not understand the significance of 5 to 6 tasering having no effect?
Do you not understand multiple calls for backup?
Do you not understand the words of the Officer saying he felt that he was out of options?
My Gawd! He was fighting against them so much that it took that many Officers to restrain him. Unfortunately their weight crushed him.

Thankfully the Jury got it right.
 
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They beat the man to death .
 
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Excon said:
:doh
Yes, quite.
It is right there.

"The coroner listed the cause of death as asphyxiation from the officers piling on his chest during the struggle."​

Or do you not understand what that means.
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He deserved to die, didn't he.....that drug-addicted son of a bitch. Come on, say with me....."Die you bastard." Feel better?
 
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American said:
He deserved to die, didn't he.....that drug-addicted son of a bitch. Come on, say with me....."Die you bastard." Feel better?
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Wtf?
No one deserved to die. What an idiotic thing to say.

And just because he did die does not mean he was murdered, or that it was purposely done or that there was negligence in trying to subdue him.
And yes he did bring it on by resisting.


Kobie said:
They beat the man to death .
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That is a complete fabrication.
He did not die because of any beating.

The weight of the Officers subduing him caused his asphyxiation.
 
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Excon said:
Wtf?
No one deserved to die. What an idiotic thing to say.

And just because he did die does not mean he was murdered, or that it was purposely done or that there was negligence in trying to subdue him.
And yes he did bring it on by resisting.


That is a complete fabrication.
He did not die because of any beating.

The weight of the Officers subduing him caused his asphyxiation.
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Idiotic? When I read your posts, that's the way it sounds.........he had it coming. Why did they have to beat his head to a pulp? He might have been passive aggressive or something, but did he need to beaten and suffocated? These officers are suppose to be professionals.
 
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excon said:
wtf?
No one deserved to die. What an idiotic thing to say.

And just because he did die does not mean he was murdered, or that it was purposely done or that there was negligence in trying to subdue him.
And yes he did bring it on by resisting.


That is a complete fabrication.
He did not die because of any beating.

The weight of the officers subduing him caused his asphyxiation.
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troll
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Anyone that is defending the police did not watch the 15 minute beat down administered.

Or you didn't notice that the resistance started when the police hit him with a baton unprovoked.

The precedence here is that cops have a license to kill. We'll see how much you support this if it's your kids that encounter these thugs that call themselves coos.
 
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Excon said:
Wtf?
No one deserved to die. What an idiotic thing to say.

And just because he did die does not mean he was murdered, or that it was purposely done or that there was negligence in trying to subdue him.
And yes he did bring it on by resisting.


That is a complete fabrication.
He did not die because of any beating.

The weight of the Officers subduing him caused his asphyxiation.
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Cause and effect.

It is called proximate cause.

He would not have died but for the excessive use of force by the cops.

Hopefully, your karma will catch you quickly.
 
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SMTA said:
Yea, he is a troll, and not a bright one at that.
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It is ridiculous to debate with him so the best solution is to just reply to his postings with the word troll.

If everyone does that he will simply wonder off to the cave of trolls.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Excon said:
You are talking horse ****.
Obviously you haven't watched the video as it was not unprovoked.

As already provided, so pay attention.
Kelly laid hands on an Officer and then failed to comply when told to get on the ground. And instead of complying he then attempted to flee.

Kelly provoked it use.



iLOL
There was no unlawful use of force.
Where do you come up with this bs?



:doh
iLOL
You try again.

As it is very clear that the jury found in favor of the Officers.
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You can say it 1, 10 , 100, 1,000,000 times...it doesn't make it true. Obviously it is you who hasn't watched the video. The blow to the midsection that instigated this entire this was completely unprovoked. But hey...it is obvious that you either want to see something that isn't there...or simple haven't watched it. Either way you are going to believe what you are going to believe.
 
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TML said:
Cops beat a man to the point that he dies, and it’s the man’s fault for resisting.
I’m sorry but I’m awestruck that there are people this stupid in the world.
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Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Excon said:
1. They did not beat the man to death.
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You are a complete idiot to say is death was not a result of them beating him; they did, in fact, beat him to death.

Excon said:
2. Of course he is at wrong for resisting. Youtube is replete with examples of non-resistance during arrest. Do you need me to provided some of these videos as examples so you understand that he was resiting?
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Do you need me to provide videos that show excessive force (aside from the one in question), so that you can understand how stupid you are? Spare me your other videos irrelevant to this case.

Man sitting while Cop puts on gloves (presumably to search the man)
Officer: “Feet out in front of you”
Man hesitant, but complies
Officer: “Put your hands on your f*cking knees (while feet out in front)”
(Note: This is not a position which an officer would normally perform a search, and there was no reason to order him into this position – his current sitting position with elbows rested on knees is absolutely unthreatening)
Man complies
Officer: “Now, see my fist?”
Man: “Yeah, what about ‘em?”
Officer: “They’re getting ready to f*ck you up”
Man:”Well start punching then, dude, I’m tired on playing these games” (as man puts his hands up)
Officer forcefully grabs him by the elbow
Man stands
Officers pull out batons
Frantic man backs away in fear of the threat he received for no reason
Beating begins
Man dies

Excon said:
Do you not understand the significance of 5 to 6 tasering having no effect?
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Yeah ordering someone on their stomach and comply with orders while being tased six times (as if he could comply while being tased) while on the ground with 6 officers on scene. Excessive Force

Excon said:
He was fighting against them so much that it took that many Officers to restrain him. Unfortunately their weight crushed him.
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No, there were so many officers that beating him to death wasn’t necessary as he consistently pleaded that he couldn’t breath

Excon said:
Thankfully the Jury got it right.
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That jury is as f*cked in the head as you
 
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Excon said:
This was expected, as the Officers were dealing with a person resisting. They had to use force to get him to comply.
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5 cops can easily take someone like Thomas down and cuff them in a matter of seconds, without throwing 1 punch or using a taser. The video shows he wasn't resisting. If you are getting tased and beat with batons and bludgeoned to death, you might involuntarily try to protect yourself, but that isn't resisting, is it?
 
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Excon said:
That is a complete fabrication.
He did not die because of any beating.

The weight of the Officers subduing him caused his asphyxiation.
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I guess that makes it all better.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Kobie said:
I wouldn't say he was being "cooperative;" however, his level of "resistance" did not merit the force used to subdue (and eventually kill) him. If cops are going to use force, it is their responsibility to use an appropriate level of force. They clearly did not in this case.
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LE is really a behavior/based response service/provider. Sometimess the underlying reason for whacked out EDP, drugs, behavioral/cognitive issues can be managed with specialized training or with tactics....but most cannot


You need to realize is that in some situations, cops can't be concerned with, the ****ing whys, we just have to handle, the whats. Oftentimes that is completely dependent on the individual in question and no amount of comms may avoid a more intrusive *in your face* intervention.
 
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LAPD... Doing their best to make the NYPD look good.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Strange, I don't recall hearing about this til now...

Anyways, this sounds like, at best, legal but (highly?) questionable behavior on the part of the officers.

And at worst, murder.
 
Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

ric27 said:
LE is really a behavior/based response service/provider. Sometimess the underlying reason for whacked out EDP, drugs, behavioral/cognitive issues can be managed with specialized training or with tactics....but most cannot


You need to realize is that in some situations, cops can't be concerned with, the ****ing whys, we just have to handle, the whats. Oftentimes that is completely dependent on the individual in question and no amount of comms may avoid a more intrusive *in your face* intervention.
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The 'what' is that they killed the guy.

The 'why' is because they could.
 
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Kobie said:
I guess that makes it all better.
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You can't be more wrong than when people from both political sides are in agreement against you.
 
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