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Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer[W:173:381]

Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

It does matter. What was he being arrested for? What was he doing?
Not at that point it does not. You either comply or suffer the consequences.
Sadly he didn't know what most folks do. Don't resist.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Good grief. :roll:

The officers went too far, period. No attempts to subdue someone should result in them going into a coma. They went too far, they passed subduing him for the purpose of their job and crossed the line into assault that lead to someone's death. They should be going to prison for a long time.
No they didn't go too far in trying to subdue him. He went too far in resiting which caused all of this.


The jury verdict supports that.


And please do not confuse that with Officer Cicinelli smashing him in the face with his taser.
I do not agree with that, but it is not what lead to, or caused. his death.

They did not murder the guy.
They were acting in their capacity as law enforcement and trying to subdue someone who was resisting.
 
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Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

:doh
Yes, quite.
It is right there.

"The coroner listed the cause of death as asphyxiation from the officers piling on his chest during the struggle."

Or do you not understand what that means.


Yeah, and you do understand that coroner was not defending the cops Right? That he was on the side of the prosecution against these Murdering Cops.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

No they didn't go to far in trying to subdue him. He went to far in resiting which caused all of this.


The jury verdict supports that.

Just because someone resists, it doesn't give the police the right to kill them, it doesn't give the right for them to assault someone, and it doesn't give them the right to beat people into a coma.

There is a difference between subduing someone and assaulting someone. The police in this instance assaulted someone, which lead to his death. They should be in prison, period.

Thinking that just resisting gives the police a right to murder someone is silly.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Not at that point it does not. You either comply or suffer the consequences.
Sadly he didn't know what most folks do. Don't resist.

You're fine with police going up to people and putting them under arrest for no reason and then police killing them when they resist arrest?
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

No they didn't go too far in trying to subdue him. He went too far in resiting which caused all of this.


The jury verdict supports that.

So, just because that Jury found them innocent does mean they are.

You know this will be appealed Right. Already 3 town Councilmembers have been forced to take a hike. The Police Chief will be next then who will be round to protect these guys.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Yeah, and you do understand that coroner was not defending the cops Right? That he was on the side of the prosecution against these Murdering Cops.

And?
:doh
iLOL
You have no point.
His death was caused by compression.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Just because someone resists, it doesn't give the police the right to kill them, it doesn't give the right for them to assault someone, and it doesn't give them the right to beat people into a coma.

There is a difference between subduing someone and assaulting someone. The police in this instance assaulted someone, which lead to his death. They should be in prison, period.

Thinking that just resisting gives the police a right to murder someone is silly.
Oy Vey!
:doh

That isn't what happened.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

You're fine with police going up to people and putting them under arrest for no reason and then police killing them when they resist arrest?
Stop asserting something I did not say.

Thee police had a reason for arrest. It didn't matter at the point in this as he was resisting causing all further action.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

You know this will be appealed Right.
:doh
iLOL
No it wont be.

And, lol, yes it does mean they are innocent.
Innocent until proven guilty.
No guilty verdict means still innocent.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

And?
:doh
iLOL
You have no point.
His death was caused by compression.

Well.....His death was caused by Compression and Other Injuries Per your own material.

That part on Other Injuries is enough grounds to appeal. So those cops ain't walking yet.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Stop asserting something I did not say.

Thee police had a reason for arrest. It didn't matter at the point in this as he was resisting causing all further action.

Wikipedia said:
While investigating, they encountered the shirtless and disheveled Thomas and attempted to search him. According to statements given by the officers, Thomas was uncooperative and resisted when they attempted to search him, so backup was called. Video footage, however, shows Thomas complying with Ramos' orders, and also reveals that Ramos gave Thomas unreasonable orders, seemingly intended to confuse the suspect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Oy Vey!
:doh

That isn't what happened.

It is what happened. You're just being silly.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

I just watched the video and I wouldn't convict the cops either.

I think the cops did a number of things wrong but it wasn't murder.

Having dealt with a number of crazy and/or high people in similar circumstances there is no question in my mind that the cops were attempting to control a resisting suspect.

That being said, the first cop was unnecessarily confrontational with the guy and escalated the situation because of that. Yeah, the guy was being a jackass but there are better ways of dealing with that jackass than antagonizing him. It was also a bad idea to bash the guy's head in. That generally does not elicit compliance.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

"I got out my taser and snapped his face to hell" (one of the officers). Tasers electrically burn a person. The officer was tasering him in the face.

The video is fully outrageous. At one point they had as much weigh on him as if they had set a small block Chevy V8 on him as he said over and over he couldn't breathe.

The entire unedited video is here: Full un-edited video presented in Kelly Thomas murder trial -- latimes.com

The man was going to die. The claim that he wouldn't put his arm behind his back as reason while putting what looks like 500+ pounds of weight by those fat officers on him meant at that point he was going to die. The only manner he had left to try not be so crushed by the weight was his arms.

Lay on concrete and put that much weight on your back with your arms behind you and see how long you live. So they had given him the choice of being immediately crushed or or stay alive a few more seconds if he didn't. He could agreed to be killed or be killed for not agreeing to being crushed.

Clever Catch-22 to kill a street bum. Let us crush you to death or we will crush you to death for refusing.

They didn't just grab his right arm and put it behind him. The coroner said his death resulted from being crushed and beating injuries.

From what I see, he was doing nothing illegal to begin with and the first officer began by pricking with him. I would have gone with manslaughter if I were on the jury, but would have to watch more carefully as to which officer(s) that would apply.

The video speaks for itself.
 
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Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

He was resiting. Once you are at that point, it doesn't matter what he was being arrested for.

Is that anything like resisting?
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Wrong.
Compression of his chest is what happened.
That compression caused by Officers trying to subdue him, as he was resisting.
His resistance makes him the blame.

Resisting be crushed to death is justification for crush someone to death? I guess that's one way to clear the streets of street people.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

I just watched the video and I wouldn't convict the cops either.

I think the cops did a number of things wrong but it wasn't murder.

It wasn't murder - it was more like 2nd degree manslaughter. And again I'm agreeing with Your Star here - they went over the line. The amount of force exceeded the requirement and in this result the man died. They didn't set out to kill him but they over did it and he died as a result of the police. They should be held accountable. That they were not, as I understand it, is a miscarriage of justice.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Well.....His death was caused by Compression and Other Injuries Per your own material.

That part on Other Injuries is enough grounds to appeal. So those cops ain't walking yet.
:doh
There will be no appeal.
To even say such you do not understand that law.

And his injuries that he died from were caused by the compression.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

:doh
There will be no appeal.
To even say such you do not understand that law.

And his injuries that he died from were caused by the compression.

Keep repeating it, maybe someone will listen...
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

It is what happened. You're just being silly.
No you are being silly.

He was not beaten into a comma. That is just silly.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

I just watched the video and I wouldn't convict the cops either.

I think the cops did a number of things wrong but it wasn't murder.

Having dealt with a number of crazy and/or high people in similar circumstances there is no question in my mind that the cops were attempting to control a resisting suspect.

That being said, the first cop was unnecessarily confrontational with the guy and escalated the situation because of that. Yeah, the guy was being a jackass but there are better ways of dealing with that jackass than antagonizing him. It was also a bad idea to bash the guy's head in. That generally does not elicit compliance.
Exactly.
Yes they did some things wrong but it was not murder.

Officer Cicinelli clearly was in the wrong for smashing his face with the taser while trying to get Kelly to comply. But that did not cause his death.
It is like folks just can separate the two, or even realize that he was resisting with such force that 5-6 taserings had no effect.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Another travesty, another failure of the justice system. A police badge continues to be a license to kill in the state of California. Pathetic and despicable.
 
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