Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim[W:88]

Perotista · Jan 14, 2014

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NIMBY said:
The huge influence of the SCOTUS on all our lives will be on full display in 2014.
The SCOTUS is a huge "peripheral influence" on the Congressional races in 2014, according to Linc .

You are probably right. This is what I call unforeseen events or happenings that may effect the November elections.

Anthony60 · Jan 14, 2014

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NIMBY said:
Clinton is not the topic, but may I add that the GOP did not get enough blood out of Clinton to satisfy whatever happened to Nixon and Reagan.

Every single day of the rest of this administration will be a legal and legislative fight with the GOP/POTUS.
Today it is Recess, tomorrow, it will be extending the debt limit, everyday it will be ACA.
Nothing good will happen until the GOP primaries are over .

The reason that they fight is because conservatives want the Constitution followed, that is the supreme law of the land. Presidents like Obama spend their time trying to find ways around the Constitution, or blatantly defy it because they know it will be years before the courts catch up with them (Clinton's advice) or they can rely on a Supreme Court that does not follow the Constitution either.

Obama would not have half the opposition that he has if he followed the Constitution. It sickens me the way he gets away with these violations.

AliHajiSheik · Jan 14, 2014

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Perotista said:
That spin I think is how I became involved in this. Exactly how or what I originally replied to, heck I don't remember. Okay I went back and checked, last night my first reply was to the effect that since the nuclear option had been already used, whether or not or how the SCOTUS, their ruling is basically moot as long as the senate is controlled by the same party of the president. Now I have to figure out how all of this led to Clinton.

Okay, real late last night I got on the womanizing of LBJ and JFK, but nothing yet on the impeachment of Clinton. Then it was back to the SCOTUS and recess appointments.

Ah, I started off with you this fine beautiful AM. That was when you said: It's sad when people are OK with perjury. I hope no one ever lies under oath on a case your are involved with.

Since then it has been Clinton all the time for the rest of today. I suppose my bottom line is the perjury charge didn't warrant impeachment. Then things went from there whereas I showed to the vast majority of Americans back then they agreed with me.

Was Clinton wrong for lying to a grand jury, sure he was. But was that lying enough to impeach him and remove him from office? At the time I thought not and still do. Here is an article from that time that I agree with the author on

Article | First Things

It can happen. I understand your point even if we don't fully agree. We can disagree with the punishment but I just don't like having reality create agreement on the "crime".

The net impact of Clinton's transgression was still ultimately a slap on the wrist whether he was censured or impeached and not convicted. Either are historic, but impeachment is a stronger footnote in his biography. It's not like he will ever need to practice law again.

Obviously Obama is trying to push the limits and doesn't even come close to this. A President attempting something and then getting called on it is at least part of the job description.

Anthony60 · Jan 14, 2014

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NIMBY said:
Should Congress ever go in recess? Period.
Recess appts. are temporary in the Constitution, Period.
The GOP doesn't even want temporary appts, Period.

I'm not sure if you are telling the truth or not, if you are using "period" the way Obama uses it, it means "what I just said was a lie."

I think Congress must recess between sessions, so there's your answer on that. It's not the temporary appointments that they don't want, it's low quality of personnel that they don't want. But, that is Congress's part of the appointment process. He wouldn't have this problem if he appointed better qualified people.

Linc · Jan 14, 2014

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got topic?

AliHajiSheik said:
Once more into the breach. If Clinton wanted to lie about anything and to whomever, I can't say I care that much, but he lied under oath. Our legal system is based on the the principle that when under oath, you tell the truth. Not just the truth, but also the whole truth and nothing but the truth. As a lawyer he knew better. As a President, there had to be some consequences. Please try to be factual and not what you are representing as the voice of the majority of Americans. That's just political spin and unworthy of you.

What is the definition of RECESS?
Is Congress allowed to stay out of RECESS forever?

Perotista · Jan 14, 2014

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AliHajiSheik said:
It can happen. I understand your point even if we don't fully agree. We can disagree with the punishment but I just don't like having reality create agreement on the "crime".

The net impact of Clinton's transgression was still ultimately a slap on the wrist whether he was censured or impeached and not convicted. Either are historic, but impeachment is a stronger footnote in his biography. It's not like he will ever need to practice law again.

Obviously Obama is trying to push the limits and doesn't even come close to this. A President attempting something and then getting called on it is at least part of the job description.

I agree with your job description and one should not expect less. Political reality is a bear at times. But when it comes to removing a president from office, the people must be willing to go along with it. Whether that is right or wrong, I guess that is someone else's call.

Linc · Jan 14, 2014

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Anthony60 said:
I'm not sure if you are telling the truth or not, if you are using "period" the way Obama uses it, it means "what I just said was a lie."
I think Congress must recess between sessions, so there's your answer on that. It's not the temporary appointments that they don't want, it's low quality of personnel that they don't want. But, that is Congress's part of the appointment process. He wouldn't have this problem if he appointed better qualified people.

Does the POTUS have the right to appoint his own people?
Clinton had the same problem with judges at the end of his 2nd term, which Bush got to fill.

Linc · Jan 14, 2014

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Anthony60 said:
The reason that they fight is because conservatives want the Constitution followed, that is the supreme law of the land. Presidents like Obama spend their time trying to find ways around the Constitution.

Once you frame this as the argument, I have to stop reading.
Nice talking to you.

scatt · Jan 14, 2014

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NIMBY said:
Does the POTUS have the right to appoint his own people?

No he does not.

From Roberts, during the oral arguments, "Well, they have an absolute right not to confirm nominees that the President submits."

Anthony60 · Jan 14, 2014

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NIMBY said:
Does the POTUS have the right to appoint his own people?
Clinton had the same problem with judges at the end of his 2nd term, which Bush got to fill.

He can appoint anyone he wants, that is not in question. He should be appointing people that he thinks can be confirmed, BIG difference. Left wing justices aren't going to cut it with the right, just as Constitutionalists won't cut it with the left.

Anthony60 · Jan 14, 2014

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NIMBY said:
Once you frame this as the argument, I have to stop reading.

I know you do.

AliHajiSheik · Jan 14, 2014

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NIMBY said:
got topic?

What is the definition of RECESS?
Is Congress allowed to stay out of RECESS forever?

Please post on topic of my quote or please don't quote me.

Linc · Jan 14, 2014

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Please post on me with the thread or don't bother.
As has been the case for a few months, you have posted on me first with snark .

AliHajiSheik said:
Please post on topic of my quote or please don't quote me.

Linc · Jan 14, 2014

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Gun control morphed during my conversation with another, not you.
You posted this crap 2:13 after the thread warning, grinding your own axe.

AliHajiSheik said:
Discussing Presidents and oversight by other branches. Seems at least in the ballpark of the topic.

Clinton was not the topic, you are wrong.

You should grind your axes in the Partisan sections, I work hard to stay out of those.

Because you are nonpartisan .

Linc · Jan 14, 2014

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:lamoYou finally made it to left wing.

Anthony60 said:
He can appoint anyone he wants, that is not in question. He should be appointing people that he thinks can be confirmed, BIG difference. Left wing justices aren't going to cut it with the right, just as Constitutionalists won't cut it with the left.

AliHajiSheik · Jan 14, 2014

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NIMBY said:
Gun control morphed during my conversation with another, not you.
You posted this crap 2:13 after the thread warning, grinding your own axe.

Clinton was not the topic, you are wrong.

Because you are nonpartisan .

I disagree with your assessment and characterization. Good day.

Anthony60 · Jan 14, 2014

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NIMBY said:
:lamoYou finally made it to left wing.

If only that made any sense at all.

j-mac · Jan 15, 2014

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NIMBY said:
Clinton was not the topic, you are wrong.

Talk to your friend Perotisa. He introduced Clinton into the topic, and has been arguing it ever since.

However. on topic. The SCOTUS has at least enough of a problem with the recess appointments Obama made to review the case. At a bare minimum that should tell you, and the other Obama supporters that he crossed the line.

See, this was just a symptom of a larger problem, which is, Conservatives believe that given enough pressure from the right, Obama is brazen enough to just go around the Constitution all together. That has never been done before in such an outright, and dishonest manner by an administration. So, the question is, if he will break the law when it is inconvenient, and use the law when it suits his argument, that makes him a dangerous President.

code1211 · Jan 15, 2014

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NIMBY said:
This thread got GOP "fogged" when righties immediately brought in Nixon and then started the drumbeat of Benghazi, etc. derail.

So, my Illinois can certainly compare with your New Jersey when you mention Corzine.
We have a half dozen governors who have been indicted during and after their time in office, going back to the 1920's.
Mr. Obama regularly gets blamed for being them.
But you guys started the "Commission" in 1929 NJ and they support Christie today.

The post to which I responded was nonsensical.

This one is incomprehensible.

code1211 · Jan 15, 2014

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Perotista said:
Kentucky's - Democratic Sec. of State Alison Lundergan Grimes. McConnell's primary opponent is Matt Bevin a tea party conservative.

I'm not at all familiar with Kentucky Politics. You seem to be very knowledgable of all of these races. It sounds almost like a fantasy league for politics as you and NIMBY discuss it.

Do you think McConnell will be the Party Nominee? Beyond that, if the TEA Party guy wins, do you think the Reps will give him any money to campaign?

Perotista · Jan 15, 2014

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code1211 said:
I'm not at all familiar with Kentucky Politics. You seem to be very knowledgable of all of these races. It sounds almost like a fantasy league for politics as you and NIMBY discuss it.

Do you think McConnell will be the Party Nominee? Beyond that, if the TEA Party guy wins, do you think the Reps will give him any money to campaign?

It has been my hobby to make election predictions since Reagan. NIMBY and me faced off against each other last in 2012. He bested me by 2 senate races although my house predictions were more accurate if I remember right. McConnell should best Bevins, at least as it stands now. Check out this PPP poll, it is a month old, but it is the latest one dealing with Kentucky.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2013/PPP_Release_KY_1217.pdf

As to what the republicans will do if Bevins win, I really don't know. I don't have any inside information from either party. Just remember all of our predictions and suppositions are dynamic and change all the time.

polgara · Jan 15, 2014

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code1211 said:
I'm not at all familiar with Kentucky Politics. You seem to be very knowledgable of all of these races. It sounds almost like a fantasy league for politics as you and NIMBY discuss it.

Do you think McConnell will be the Party Nominee? Beyond that, if the TEA Party guy wins, do you think the Reps will give him any money to campaign?

I really laughed at your description "fantasy league for politics! Good analogy! :thumbs:

Greetings, code1211. :2wave:

Rocketman · Jan 15, 2014

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Perotista said:
It has been my hobby to make election predictions since Reagan. NIMBY and me faced off against each other last in 2012. He bested me by 2 senate races although my house predictions were more accurate if I remember right. McConnell should best Bevins, at least as it stands now. Check out this PPP poll, it is a month old, but it is the latest one dealing with Kentucky.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2013/PPP_Release_KY_1217.pdf

As to what the republicans will do if Bevins win, I really don't know. I don't have any inside information from either party. Just remember all of our predictions and suppositions are dynamic and change all the time.

I live in KY and while many of us would like to see McConnell out we don't want Grimes. We will vote for McConnell because we are sure Bevins can beat her. It is a damn if we do and damn if we don't deal;

Perotista · Jan 15, 2014

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Rocketman said:
I live in KY and while many of us would like to see McConnell out we don't want Grimes. We will vote for McConnell because we are sure Bevins can beat her. It is a damn if we do and damn if we don't deal;

When it comes to the nominees of both parties, it is as you state. More and more it is a choice of two evils. I know you are talking about the choice between McConnell and Bevins in the Republican Primary. But for quite a lot of independents come general election time, it does boil down to holding one's nose and voting for what they consider the least worst candidate.

When I worked at LBAD, I lived in Winchester.

j-mac · Jan 15, 2014

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Rocketman said:
I live in KY and while many of us would like to see McConnell out we don't want Grimes. We will vote for McConnell because we are sure Bevins can beat her. It is a damn if we do and damn if we don't deal;

Could grimes be one of these demo sponsored "republicans"?