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Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22:118]

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Sharon was the Minister of Defense. "His" plan was authorized by the government which was led by Menachem Begin. The Chief of the army was Rafael Eithan (Sharon was never Chief of the Army, he was a General).

What Pete said. Sharon way over-stepped the agreed remit of the invasion without Begin's approval. This came out some years later. Sharon sued the journalists who made the allegation, and lost the case. Here's the story:
Israel's current prime minister (Sharon) - 20 years ago, the defense minister of a nation at war - deceived the reigning prime minister, the government and the entire public.
 
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and you get it wrong again
i am very much pro israel
just as i am very much pro palestine
one does not have to hate one while advocating the other
but from your posts, over a long span, it is obvious that reality is beyond you

Look bubba, people can read....You entered this thread in post #14 saying this:

justabubba post 14 said:
if there is a hell, he is now arguing once more with arafat
two sides of the same terrorist coin
good riddance to both

Oh yes, you are so down the middle :roll: You got called out, now you are spinning trying to turn this around on me. Jesus bubba, try a little honesty for a change will ya?

back to the thread topic ...
Chomsky gets it right:

Chomsky is an anti Semitic tool, that hasn't been right on anything in his life. No one takes his communist arse seriously. He should stick to linguistics, and leave politics to smart people.
 
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Oh yes, you are so down the middle :roll: You got called out, now you are spinning trying to turn this around on me. Jesus bubba, try a little honesty for a change will ya?

I guess the fact that he says that Arafat is in hell too means that he's anti-Palestinian as well. :roll:
 
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I guess the fact that he says that Arafat is in hell too means that he's anti-Palestinian as well. :roll:

So what is your point? That he is adept at covering his anti Semitic screed by adding in Arafat's name? What a joke...In the same post he cites Chomsky for God's sake...That man is drivel personified. You can roll your eyes all you want, but we know the truth of people in here and where they stand....Too many posts over too many years not to.
 
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What Pete said. Sharon way over-stepped the agreed remit of the invasion without Begin's approval. This came out some years later. Sharon sued the journalists who made the allegation, and lost the case. Here's the story:

whether or not Sharon's intentions were different than what he declared then to be at the beginning of the war don't change the fact that everything done was approved by the government.
 
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So what is your point? That he is adept at covering his anti Semitic screed by adding in Arafat's name? What a joke...In the same post he cites Chomsky for God's sake...That man is drivel personified. You can roll your eyes all you want, but we know the truth of people in here and where they stand....Too many posts over too many years not to.

I know there's an unshakeable belief amongst many mostly, but not exclusively, right wingers that Chomsky is anti-semitic, but I don't buy it at all. It doesn't take much reading of articles, books and interviews with him to bury this lie. Here's a great interview that does just that.
 
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I know there's an unshakeable belief amongst many mostly, but not exclusively, right wingers that Chomsky is anti-semitic, but I don't buy it at all. It doesn't take much reading of articles, books and interviews with him to bury this lie. Here's a great interview that does just that.

A Chomsky quote:

"What is the Jew's foundation in this world? Usury. What is his worldly god? Money...Money is the zealous one God of Israel, beside which no other God may stand...The bill of exchange is the Jew's real God...Only then could Jewry become universally dominant...The social emancipation of Jewry is the emancipation of society from Jewry."

Stereotypical drivel....Oh he's so enlightened isn't he?
 
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A Chomsky quote:

"What is the Jew's foundation in this world? Usury. What is his worldly god? Money...Money is the zealous one God of Israel, beside which no other God may stand...The bill of exchange is the Jew's real God...Only then could Jewry become universally dominant...The social emancipation of Jewry is the emancipation of society from Jewry."

Stereotypical drivel....Oh he's so enlightened isn't he?

Source? Link? I think you'll find that you just quoted (out of context and inaccurately) Karl Marx. I believe he wrote that in his early years in a booklet called, "World Without Jews", in which he called for his fellow Jews to stop identifying firt and foremost as Jews, but to participate in a universal struggle against oppression.
 
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A Chomsky quote:

"What is the Jew's foundation in this world? Usury. What is his worldly god? Money...Money is the zealous one God of Israel, beside which no other God may stand...The bill of exchange is the Jew's real God...Only then could Jewry become universally dominant...The social emancipation of Jewry is the emancipation of society from Jewry."

Stereotypical drivel....Oh he's so enlightened isn't he?

Those are a series of non-consecutive and incomplete quotes from Karl Marx.
 
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Those are a series of non-consecutive and incomplete quotes from Karl Marx.

That Chomsky repeated? I can see that happening....He is after all a student of Marx, in addition to an anti Semite.
 
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I know there's an unshakeable belief amongst many mostly, but not exclusively, right wingers that Chomsky is anti-semitic, but I don't buy it at all. It doesn't take much reading of articles, books and interviews with him to bury this lie. Here's a great interview that does just that.

So, what you are saying here is that if you wish to understand the living conditions of the chickens, all you need to do is interview the fox.
 
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Are you doubting the quote?

Is Noam Chomsky an Anti-Semite

There, now you can dismiss it due to source.

Can you not even read your own links?
Karl Marx, born a Jew and baptized only at the age of six, who could nonetheless write

What is the Jew's foundation in this world? Usury. What is his worldly god? Money...Money is the zealous one God of Israel, beside which no other God may stand...The bill of exchange is the Jew's real God...Only then could Jewry become universally dominant...The social emancipation of Jewry is the emancipation of society from Jewry.
 
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So, what you are saying here is that if you wish to understand the living conditions of the chickens, all you need to do is interview the fox.

Whatever.

Most humans will judge a thinker and a writer on what he writes and what he says.
 
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That Chomsky repeated? I can see that happening....He is after all a student of Marx, in addition to an anti Semite.

He didn't repeat them. I think you need to re-read your source.
 
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Those are a series of non-consecutive and incomplete quotes from Karl Marx.

Ok....Some of Chomski's views expressed on college campuses in speeches....

"Chomsky rejects the idea of a Jewish state and wants the destruction of Israel. He believes Jews do not deserve a homeland, while every other ethnic/religious group in the world does. He believes that Arabs should be able to settle in Israel at will, but Jews should not be able to settle in Arab countries (keep in mind that more than 800,000 Jews were kicked out of Arab countries in 1948).

Chomsky called the Yugoslavian revolution in the 1990s that included a genocide of tens of thousands of people a “successful social revolution.” This is pure hate speech.

Chomsky sponsored a party in Israel (Matzpen) that advocates for terrorism. Matzpen partnered with a terrorist group that carried out an attack on an elementary school that killed 22 children.

Chomsky calls the PLO the “heroes” of the 1982 Lebanon War. Meanwhile, the PLO raped and killed tens of thousands of Lebanese civilians before Israel kicked them out of Lebanon."

Noam Chomsky: A Jewish Anti-Semite
 
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Ok....Some of Chomski's views expressed on college campuses in speeches....

"Chomsky rejects the idea of a Jewish state and wants the destruction of Israel. He believes Jews do not deserve a homeland, while every other ethnic/religious group in the world does. He believes that Arabs should be able to settle in Israel at will, but Jews should not be able to settle in Arab countries (keep in mind that more than 800,000 Jews were kicked out of Arab countries in 1948).

Chomsky called the Yugoslavian revolution in the 1990s that included a genocide of tens of thousands of people a “successful social revolution.” This is pure hate speech.

Chomsky sponsored a party in Israel (Matzpen) that advocates for terrorism. Matzpen partnered with a terrorist group that carried out an attack on an elementary school that killed 22 children.

Chomsky calls the PLO the “heroes” of the 1982 Lebanon War. Meanwhile, the PLO raped and killed tens of thousands of Lebanese civilians before Israel kicked them out of Lebanon."

Noam Chomsky: A Jewish Anti-Semite


It's very noticeable that you aren't able to actually quote Chomsky himself.
 
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Whatever.

Most humans will judge a thinker and a writer on what he writes and what he says.

In the case of his work in the field of linguistics, he is a thinker. In the field of politics, his screed is so derivative and reactive as to represent something quite different than original thought.

A thinking person is capable of reading Bin Laden's Letters to America and see every single theme repeated by Chomsky.

.....but, yes, he should be judged on what he says and not on what he claims. That was my whole point, especially as his hackneyed screed is so mind-numbingly imbalanced and unfair when it comes to his hatred of Israel.

He is simply acting out some unresolved issues with his father as far as I'm concerned, but that does not make his idiotic views any less bigoted. His father was an ardent supporter of Zionism, so to escape his shadow, Noam has become an extremist anti-Zionist. The overlap between extreme anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism is so strong as to suggest the former is but a cover for the latter. If a person were to spend a considerable effort towards demonizing anything and everything about Japan with never one fair word, would people buy into the false claims such a person had nothing against the Japanese? I wouldn't, and I don't buy into the denial offered by these vicious anti-Zionists.
 
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It's very noticeable that you aren't able to actually quote Chomsky himself.

I'd say answer these questions and you'd have a leg to stand on....

Many years ago, you (Chomski) signed a petition that referred to Robert Faurisson (a Holocaust denier) as a “respected professor of literature who merely tried to make his findings public.” Would you sign that same petition today if you had the chance to do so?

You (Chomski) seem to blame most of the problems in the world on either the United States or Israel, which is exactly what al-Qaida and Iran do. Do you hold other views that are similar to those of al-Qaida and Iran?

You (Chomski) have in the past compared the United States to Nazi Germany. Can you explain how the two are alike?

The PLO raped, tortured, and murdered innocent civilians in Lebanon for years before the 1982 Lebanon War. Estimates put the death toll of civilians at the hands of the PLO at 100,000, with 250,000 wounded. You (Chomski) referred to the PLO as “heroes” in Lebanon; why do you consider them heroes?

In the past, you (Chomski) referred to the Yugoslavian revolution in the 1990s that resulted in a genocide of tens of thousands of people as a “successful social revolution.” What makes this genocide a “successful social revolution”?
 
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May he rot in hell and shame on his family for keeping a brain dead man alive for 8 years.

karma...is not your friend
 
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He bore direct responsibility for the Qibya massacre, and indirect responsibility for Sabra and Shatila - the worse massacre against Palestinians ever committed.

he is also responsible for saving thousands... and saving Lebanon and the Maronites..
 
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Saying Sharon didn't order killings at Sabra and Shatilla because he didn't personally give the order is like saying Hitler didn't order the Holocaust, since he never personally gave such an order. . .

your post is worthless anti semitism...
 
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Actually he was defence minister and lied to the Prime Minister and the Cabinet. Sharon found excuse after excuse to extend the advance further than the 40 km that was agreed on. Everything collapsed on Sharon when his Christian terrorists were allowed and with IDF help, to commit one of the worst acts of terror in human history. And ultimately his actions killed the Prime Minister since he entered a deep depression when he realized Sharon had played him...

Keep your jew hatred confined to the crap hole known as Denmark....
 
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I'd say answer these questions and you'd have a leg to stand on....

Many years ago, you (Chomski) signed a petition that referred to Robert Faurisson (a Holocaust denier) as a “respected professor of literature who merely tried to make his findings public.” Would you sign that same petition today if you had the chance to do so?

You (Chomski) seem to blame most of the problems in the world on either the United States or Israel, which is exactly what al-Qaida and Iran do. Do you hold other views that are similar to those of al-Qaida and Iran?

You (Chomski) have in the past compared the United States to Nazi Germany. Can you explain how the two are alike?

The PLO raped, tortured, and murdered innocent civilians in Lebanon for years before the 1982 Lebanon War. Estimates put the death toll of civilians at the hands of the PLO at 100,000, with 250,000 wounded. You (Chomski) referred to the PLO as “heroes” in Lebanon; why do you consider them heroes?

In the past, you (Chomski) referred to the Yugoslavian revolution in the 1990s that resulted in a genocide of tens of thousands of people as a “successful social revolution.” What makes this genocide a “successful social revolution”?

You're asking these questions of Chomsky. Several of them were answered in that interview I posted. I'm sure he has answered all of them at various stages. How come you can't find any direct quotes to back up your assertions about him?
 
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