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Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22:118]

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j-mac said:
Yes it is much simpler to be able to recognize right from wrong. All though Chomsky is careful enough to not make overt slurs, and slams against Jewish people, he certainly supports all the right causes, and people that do.

Show me your friends, and I'll show you who you are.
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S'okay J-mac, we read you.
 
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ido_ said:
The phalanges were to enter the camps and clean them from combatants, not clean them from women and children.
If doing nothing counts as aiding then the Palestinian civilians who do nothing when terrorists launch rockets from their backyards and schools are aiding terror.
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There is one hell of a difference than one heavily armed force not doing anything to stop another armed force (supplied and backed by the first armed force) for carrying out war crimes, than unarmed civilians stopping heavily armed terrorists from operating among them. If you cant see that, then frankly the debate is over.

If you are in a store where some one is robbing it at gun point.. are you a criminal for not stopping the robber? Of course not.

Now are you the one supplying the gun that the robber was using and you knew that this was what he was going to use it for.. then yes you are a criminal.
 
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j-mac said:
Yes it is much simpler to be able to recognize right from wrong. All though Chomsky is careful enough to not make overt slurs, and slams against Jewish people, he certainly supports all the right causes, and people that do.

Show me your friends, and I'll show you who you are.
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it pleases me to note that you are not among my friends
 
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justabubba said:
it pleases me to note that you are not among my friends
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Hmmm. Me thinks you take this place too seriously. In any case you don't know me, and if you don't care to it really is no skin off my nose.
 
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PeteEU said:
Now are you the one supplying the gun that the robber was using and you knew that this was what he was going to use it for.. then yes you are a criminal.
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Thats exactly the point, the IDF didn't know, and thats exactly the problem with the IDF command and Israeli government, they didn't stop to think.
If we take your analogy, it will be like selling a gun to someone without doing a background check. Are you aiding him in his robbery? No. Are you to blame for the robbery? No. Are you an idiot because you didn't do a background check and found out that he is a lunatic? Yes. Should you be banned from selling guns ever again? Yes.
 
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TML said:
Without turning this into a discussion on the Israeli Palestinian conflict, the words of Ariel Shoron himself should sufficiently answer your question;

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." -- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, November 15, 1998.

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them." -- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, November 15, 1998.

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial." -- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001
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I think your first is Misattribution.

What about these?


"I believe that Jews and Arabs can live together.
It’s not an easy thing but I believe we can reach an agreement. I don’t want to pretend about talking to Arabs because I meet Arabs, here and on our farm at home. I would like to be very careful not to pretend but I think I am one of the only ones here at the present time that will have the power and the strength to tell the citizens of Israel what they have to do and to make compromises and Painful compromises, to look into their eyes and say that."

Ariel Sharon: November 5, 2002 - Times of London​


"It had always been one of my convictions that Jews and Arabs could live together.
Even as a child it never occurred to me that Jews might someday be living in Israel without Arabs, or separated from Arabs. On the contrary, for me it had always seemed perfectly normal for the two people to live and work side by side. That is the nature of life here and it Always will be
.... though Israel is a Jewish nation, it is, of course, Not only a Jewish nation... I begin with the basic conviction that Jews and Arabs can live together. I have repeated that at every opportunity, not for journalists and not for popular consumption, but because I have never believed differently or thought differently, from my childhood on. I am not afraid of Arabs. I feel I can live with them. I believe I understand their problems. I know that we are Both inhabitants of this land, and although the state is Jewish, that does Not mean that Arabs should not be full citizens in every sense of the word."


Ariel Sharon in "Warrior," p343, 542-3​
 
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