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U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

Born Free said:
Reality is Obama lies, HHS lies, IRS lies, DOJ lies, etc etc.
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Do they lie? Yes. Is EVERYTHING a lie? No.

Again, nobody of sanity even on the right disputes the BLS numbers which show BOTH figures of unemployment, the U3 and U6.

Yes, politicians lie (all of them), the trick is to know WHAT they are lying about. The numbers as a whole are not disputed even by the majority of the right. Yes, there will be a conspiracy theorist that thinks EVERYTHING is a lie.
 
TheNextEra said:
Do they lie? Yes. Is EVERYTHING a lie? No.

Again, nobody of sanity even on the right disputes the BLS numbers which show BOTH figures of unemployment, the U3 and U6.

Yes, politicians lie (all of them), the trick is to know WHAT they are lying about. The numbers as a whole are not disputed even by the majority of the right. Yes, there will be a conspiracy theorist that thinks EVERYTHING is a lie.
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Love how you set that up there...'No one can disagree with me or they are themselves, unstable, kooks, liars....etc'

What a joke.
 
j-mac said:
Love how you set that up there...'No one can disagree with me or they are themselves, unstable, kooks, liars....etc'

What a joke.
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I'm sorry, but if someone says "EVERYTHING the government says is lies", yes they are a kook. Seriously, did you just write that?

Yes, the government lies, but not about EVERY SINGLE thing. Come on.
 
TheNextEra said:
I'm sorry, but if someone says "EVERYTHING the government says is lies", yes they are a kook. Seriously, did you just write that?

Yes, the government lies, but not about EVERY SINGLE thing. Come on.
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Well, the distinction "EVERY SINGLE thing" is YOUR descriptor. I didn't say that...My sentence was direct, and simple enough to understand, and you confirmed it.
 
j-mac said:
Well, the distinction "EVERY SINGLE thing" is YOUR descriptor. I didn't say that...My sentence was direct, and simple enough to understand, and you confirmed it.
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And what you quoted me saying is :

Do they lie? Yes. Is EVERYTHING a lie? No.

Again, nobody of sanity even on the right disputes the BLS numbers which show BOTH figures of unemployment, the U3 and U6.

Yes, politicians lie (all of them), the trick is to know WHAT they are lying about. The numbers as a whole are not disputed even by the majority of the right. Yes, there will be a conspiracy theorist that thinks EVERYTHING is a lie.
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Nothing I said was incorrect. If someone believes EVERYTHING (i.e. Every single thing (that's what everything means genius)), then they are a kook.
 
TheNextEra said:
And what you quoted me saying is :



Nothing I said was incorrect. If someone believes EVERYTHING (i.e. Every single thing (that's what everything means genious)), then they are a kook.
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Good grief, you don't even see it do you? I didn't say that anything you said was necessarily incorrect, I am talking about how you set the premise...You do understand that don't you?

You in the quoted post set up a thinly veiled strawman that while barely addressed the current numbers, was meant to label anyone who disagreed with you as exactly whom you were describing with your slurs.

Notice how much trouble you having defending that? That is not because your prose of "yes government lies", or "the trick is to know about what" is wrong, it is that you took something that no one is doing, ie; "EVERYTHING" and applied it to those that disagree with you about these numbers that we have been seeing coming out of the Obama administration.

I hope this helps you understand.
 
j-mac said:
Good grief, you don't even see it do you? I didn't say that anything you said was necessarily incorrect, I am talking about how you set the premise...You do understand that don't you?

You in the quoted post set up a thinly veiled strawman that while barely addressed the current numbers, was meant to label anyone who disagreed with you as exactly whom you were describing with your slurs.

Notice how much trouble you having defending that? That is not because your prose of "yes government lies", or "the trick is to know about what" is wrong, it is that you took something that no one is doing, ie; "EVERYTHING" and applied it to those that disagree with you about these numbers that we have been seeing coming out of the Obama administration.

I hope this helps you understand.
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There is a difference between disagreeing with the numbers and flat out saying the government is lying about ALL the numbers. Yes, there is a difference. Sorry you can't see that nor understand it. Not my problem. If you want to join the kook group of "Everything the government says is lies", be my guest. That's YOUR problem, not mine. I layed out VERY clearly what I said and your attempts to distort it have failed.
 
TheNextEra said:
There is a difference between disagreeing with the numbers and flat out saying the government is lying about ALL the numbers. Yes, there is a difference. Sorry you can't see that nor understand it. Not my problem. If you want to join the kook group of "Everything the government says is lies", be my guest. That's YOUR problem, not mine. I layed out VERY clearly what I said and your attempts to distort it have failed.
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I am not distorting anything, that is you now lying about me personally....It is there in black and white, people can read, and that is the problem you have...No matter how you try to userp my wording, and turn it on me it won't work.

See what is interesting is that now you try to change what you said...By introducing "the numbers" into it as if that is all you originally meant....We know better TNE, and you don't fool a single person. I think you know better, and now are lashing out wildly...It is unbecoming....Just accept that you were called out, and revealed. In the future your posts should be better thought out before you try and smear those that disagree with you.
 
I personally am in awe of how the math changed on the unemployment, such that, we fall far short of the 300,000+ jobs we need in December to keep our economy running and yet the official unemployment rate drops from 7% to 6.7%. While that number is deceptive in that, so many have stopped looking for work, the math continues to play to uninformed voters who are not aware of the U3, U4, U5 and U6 break out and think that 6.7% is better... when in actuality it's playing hide the pickle with the statistics.... ie., a lie. The U6 is the broadest view of unemployment and shows everything. The U6 for December was 13.1%. The best way to understand unemployment is to understand U1 through U6 and to look at them all, and not just swallow the U3 numbers which are heavily reported. Most people will roll their eyes at trying to understand six different calculations of unemployment.

U1 : Percentage of labor force unemployed 15 weeks or longer.
U2 : Percentage of labor force who lost jobs or completed temporary work.
U3 : Official unemployment rate per ILO definition.
U4 : U3 + "discouraged workers", or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is available for them.
U5 : U4 + other "marginally attached workers", or "loosely attached workers", or those who "would like" and are able to work, but have not looked for work recently.
U6 : U5 + Part time workers who want to work full time, but cannot due to economic reasons.
 
Kobie said:
We're not hemorrhaging hundreds of thousands of jobs like we were at the end of 2008/beginning of 2009?
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Yet we are hemorrhaging people looking for work because there isn't any work to be found.
But on the plus side the number on extended unemployment compensation has ballooned and we have managed to lower expectations such that many people are relegated to working part time ... that appears to appeal to guys like a351 a great deal because it makes the U3 look better than it really is.
Yet there is a lesson to be observed ...
Art to one guy is simply a jar of piss to another (but, truth be told, the dirty secret is they both know it ain't art)
 
Ockham said:
I personally am in awe of how the math changed on the unemployment, such that, we fall far short of the 300,000+ jobs we need in December to keep our economy running and yet the official unemployment rate drops from 7% to 6.7%. While that number is deceptive in that, so many have stopped looking for work, the math continues to play to uninformed voters who are not aware of the U3, U4, U5 and U6 break out and think that 6.7% is better... when in actuality it's playing hide the pickle with the statistics.... ie., a lie. The U6 is the broadest view of unemployment and shows everything. The U6 for December was 13.1%. The best way to understand unemployment is to understand U1 through U6 and to look at them all, and not just swallow the U3 numbers which are heavily reported. Most people will roll their eyes at trying to understand six different calculations of unemployment.

U1 : Percentage of labor force unemployed 15 weeks or longer.
U2 : Percentage of labor force who lost jobs or completed temporary work.
U3 : Official unemployment rate per ILO definition.
U4 : U3 + "discouraged workers", or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is available for them.
U5 : U4 + other "marginally attached workers", or "loosely attached workers", or those who "would like" and are able to work, but have not looked for work recently.
U6 : U5 + Part time workers who want to work full time, but cannot due to economic reasons.
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THANK YOU!!!! This is a prime example of how DC lies to us on a regular basis....And for those that just want to dismiss this on basis of political leaning, rest assured that Obama is not the first to manipulate these numbers.
 
iguanaman said:
And you know that how? Just because you hate your job is no reason to assume all Americans are like you, jealous of those that can't find a decent job.
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I far from hate my job. I love it.

I've worked for 35 years and been unemployed all of 15 days. It's out there if you are willing to do it. Many simply aren't willing to work unless it overpays them and allows for a sick day every week.
 
a351 said:
That's just plainly wrong. No data to support that assertion whatsoever.
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And in Detroit, the effective unemployment rate is near 30 percent, even higher than that in certain demographics.

People are dropping out of the "actively searching" workforce in droves.
 
TheNextEra said:
Do they lie? Yes. Is EVERYTHING a lie? No.

Again, nobody of sanity even on the right disputes the BLS numbers which show BOTH figures of unemployment, the U3 and U6.

Yes, politicians lie (all of them), the trick is to know WHAT they are lying about. The numbers as a whole are not disputed even by the majority of the right. Yes, there will be a conspiracy theorist that thinks EVERYTHING is a lie.
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Like I said I don't trust anything coming from our government, especially this government headed by Obama.

In bold, you want me to believe them in government. You contradict yourself, you say "Do they lie? Yes" then below in bold you say "Yes, politicians lie (all of them). Then you say "the trick is to know WHAT they are lying about." How about everything.
 
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tech30528 said:
It comes down to how good you are. I'm an A.S.E. L1 Master with 26 years experience, which makes my opportunities few and far between in the open market. Not too many employers looking for someone at this level. But I know transmission specialists who make this kind of money too. At this point in my career I'd prefer to diagnose and run the business and let someone else swing the hammers. I learned most of what I know working in a small family shop in Warrenville Illinois for 7 years. That kind of training is hard to find these days. I have a good friend who is a machinist, he has an apprentice too. We really need to go back to this kind of education.
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Damn straight.
 
paddymcdougall said:
I'm betting your bosses will find hiring a bunch of part-timers and trying to train them - and dealing with the turnover that comes with part-timers - will cost them a lot more than complying with the ACA would have done.

yeah, your bosses are jerks.
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Nah. They're just doing what they're told to do, just like me. Nuremberg defense, lol. We're just following orders!

IMO, reducing the amount of hours per week, and increasing the pay for those hours (which will initially eat into profit margins) is our only real way back to full or close to full employment, and a healthy middle class.
 
jonny5 said:
According to the BLS, there are generally 4 million job openings. Facts are facts, not anecdotes. And thats before you consider people creating their own jobs.
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Go online and see for yourself.
 
poweRob said:
So it is your contention that the war in Iraq and in Afghanistan HELPED our economy?
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Large parts of it, yes. Soldiers DO get paid, but more than that, the union workers that manufacture all the tools that our soldiers use tend to get more hours when we need more of those things.
 
Erod said:
And in Detroit, the effective unemployment rate is near 30 percent, even higher than that in certain demographics.

People are dropping out of the "actively searching" workforce in droves.
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And the Dakotas are in the 2's and 3's. Relevance to your claim? Zero of course. The real unemployment rate is nowhere in the neighborhood of 20 percent, as previously stressed.
 
Ockham said:
I personally am in awe of how the math changed on the unemployment
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It hasn't though. You'll find many who will claim so though.

such that, we fall far short of the 300,000+ jobs we need in December to keep our economy running
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There is no specific number of positions required to maintain positive economic growth. That is yet another commonly tossed about falsehood.

and yet the official unemployment rate drops from 7% to 6.7%. While that number is deceptive in that, so many have stopped looking for work, the math continues to play to uninformed voters who are not aware of the U3, U4, U5 and U6 break out and think that 6.7% is better... when in actuality it's playing hide the pickle with the statistics.... ie., a lie.
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While one should not be focused on only one metric as a measure of economic health, the fact that it has decreased in a manner not to your liking does not make it a lie, merely politically inconvenient.

The U6 is the broadest view of unemployment and shows everything. The U6 for December was 13.1%.
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You've gone astray yet again. The U6 includes 10 million individuals who are employed. It's not a measure of unemployment at all, but rather a measure of labor utilization.
 
poweRob said:
So it is your contention that the war in Iraq and in Afghanistan HELPED our economy?
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My reference to post war was WW2.

Does that change how you infer my meaning?
 
pbrauer said:
Thank God, we can blame Obama for this and not Mitt Romney.
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If Obama's first term taught us anything, it taught us that the problems of any presidential term are entirely the fault of the guy who held the office in the previous presidential term.

By those rules, we are forced to blame Obama just as Obama was forced to blame Bush.
 
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