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Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

Travis007 said:
Nonsense....
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Go to Yemen and ask them yourselves.

Or ask the journalists who have been there and are saying this over and over.

Perhaps from the comfort of your armchair you don't have a clue what they think.
 
US Conservative said:
You are a broken record. The hills you are picking to make a stand on are elucidating.
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Your criticisms of Obama, and accusation that he's a criminal are beginning to sound like a broken record. Your overtly partisan bias has clouded your perception of the reality that US policy in the ME has been destabilising going back to the CIA's overthrow of the Iranian government in 1953. But then you probably don't even know about that.
 
US Conservative said:
As far as they are concerned (in their own words) the WORLD is theirs. We are just in the way.
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no doubt.. people need to learn about the Jihad..the number one killer of muslims is other muslims...Jihadists will kill anyone in their way..
 
StringBean said:
Go to Yemen and ask them yourselves.

Or ask the journalists who have been there and are saying this over and over.

Perhaps from the comfort of your armchair you don't have a clue what they think.
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you have not a clue.. PS: youre talking to a person who was directly effected by 9/11... so you tell me ...and a person who has studied the jihad for over 20 years..

your ignorance is on display...
 
Montecresto said:
Giving them a country was a sarcastic suggestion by another poster and my response was in kind. As to the number of AQ, can you post a link defending your numbers claim?
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you dont know much on these subjects.. when you do let me know..
 
iliveonramen said:
Oh...there was a lot of criticism against the war in Iraq...there was also an alternative...not invade Iraq.
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then why did Clinton start the war in Iraq? why did Clinton carpet bomb Iraq?
 
US Conservative said:
As far as they are concerned (in their own words) the WORLD is theirs. We are just in the way.
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Given that, if we approach the situation with the notion that we are over here, and you are over there, and we can live in peace, does this mean that those efforts are doomed to failure?

What I'm getting it, is with an opponent with such an opening position, where's the ground on which to compromise? Doesn't seem like there'll be any, ever.
 
Travis007 said:
you dont know much on these subjects.. when you do let me know..
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I figured you wouldn't be able to substantiate your claims, in fact it would appear your tripping all over this thread right now.
 
Montecresto said:
I figured you wouldn't be able to substantiate your claims, in fact it would appear your tripping all over this thread right now.
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I already have rookie... youre a bore to me.. go back to talking about Michelle Obama is bringing shoulders back into fashion
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
while I'm not going to blame Obama for the situation in the "larger" ME, his foreign policy hasn't exactly been coherent. Honestly, it seems rather scatterbrained and reactive, with no real larger goal
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I agree with that to an extent. I'm not sure how you can have a consistent policy. Do you support every popular uprising or support every dictator that allows us to combat terrorism in their borders? Do we always intervene in civil unrest or do we pick and choose? I can't see an overarching policy you could institute with the events that have taken place during his administration.
 
eohrnberger said:
Given that, if we approach the situation with the notion that we are over here, and you are over there, and we can live in peace, does this mean that those efforts are doomed to failure?

What I'm getting it, is with an opponent with such an opening position, where's the ground on which to compromise? Doesn't seem like there'll be any, ever.
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Thats the heart of it. You can't compromise with that kind of world view. All you can do is stop it.
 
US Conservative said:
Libya was an inconsistent cluster, hacked together by an incompetent administration clearly winging it. So was Syria.
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I see Libya as a situation where the US sought international co-operation to dispose a dictator. It hasn't been smooth sailing but either you stand on the side line and let Qhaddafi wipe out the opposition (and whole cities by his rhetoric) or you depose him.

What would you do as President? Ignore Qhaddafi's threats? Send US troops? Americans don't want to be involved in yet another ME war.

As for Syria...once again..what do you propose. What do conservatives propose?
 
iliveonramen said:
Oh...there was a lot of criticism against the war in Iraq...there was also an alternative...not invade Iraq.
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Even Bill Clinton thought Hussein was working on a nuke.
 
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US Conservative said:
Thats the heart of it. You can't compromise with that kind of world view. All you can do is stop it.
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Hmm. Slight modification. "All you can do is snuff it out". :)
(Sorry, couldn't resist)
 
Capster78 said:
Actually, the spread of AQ in Iraq is due to the absense of US forces, as it will be in the rest of the ME. Not sure what we expected when we bombed the ME governments into submission and then picked up and left. Like Vietnam, our defeatest attitudes costed us thousands of american lives for no reason at all.
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That could be an excuse to keep troops overseas in perpetuity.

I think it's similar to Vietnam in one respect....it was a long term military operation that cost a lot of lives and money and ultimately Americans were looking around asking "why the hell are we there again?".

I think a lot of times a "defeatist attitude" is more like a war conducted where in the perception of US citizens the rational for war doesn't meet the cost.
 
American said:
Even Bill Clinton thought Hussein was working on a nuke.
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Sure....and North Korea and Iran. He didn't advocate invading any of those countries. GW Bush did. He also presented a biased case to push for war with Iraq. Believing that Hussein was working on WMD's is different than putting together a one sided report to advocate for war.
 
iliveonramen said:
I see Libya as a situation where the US sought international co-operation to dispose a dictator. It hasn't been smooth sailing but either you stand on the side line and let Qhaddafi wipe out the opposition (and whole cities by his rhetoric) or you depose him.

What would you do as President? Ignore Qhaddafi's threats? Send US troops? Americans don't want to be involved in yet another ME war.

As for Syria...once again..what do you propose. What do conservatives propose?
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here is what you do.. Your support Isreal and let them protect Lebanon and and let Syria burn..there is no side to support there..
 
iliveonramen said:
I agree with that to an extent. I'm not sure how you can have a consistent policy. Do you support every popular uprising or support every dictator that allows us to combat terrorism in their borders?
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I mean there seems to be no larger plan or agenda behind it. Like f you look at his foreign policy, to date, you're left questioning what exactly he's trying to accomplish in the region. Which doesn't require consistency in how you act towards general events like uprising, but does require a calculated strategy for what you want to achieve in the region.
 
US Conservative said:
Everyone did, but the left seems to have forgot this for some reason.

Clinton made regime change the goal of the US in Iraq.
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Yep... it took GWB to break up the banking nexus and to stop El Baredia's insanity of the faux inspections....

Liberals I swear ... cant live with them , can live without them...: )
 
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