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Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

All presidents take credit when things go the way they like and shelter themselves from responsibility when they don't. Obama will leave office but US foreign policy will continue to be a destabilising force in the ME, regardless of who is president.

US policy can and has also been a stabilizing force. Its the weakness of our current POTUS-the unpredictable and illogical chump who loves his enemies and hates his allies-that is the destabilizing influence. Chine and Russia know it. The ME knows it. Europe knows it.
 
Which would describe "leading from behind", running away. or ignoring the problem? That will be the Obama foreign policy legacy. I can remember Clinton saying that America had too much power in the world. Obama certainly believes that. The probably with being the foremost superpower that America once was, is that when there is no global peace keeper every nation is empowered to flex their muscle.

Having said that, here's my problem. I don't believe that we should be the worlds peace keeper. I don't think we should spend money on regional disputes. What I believe we should do is save the money and build the strongest military imaginable and use it to negotiate peace, not fight for it.

The most ****ed up part is that these liberals think saying our nation is too powerful and leading from behind is a sign of strength! :doh The world understands strength and leadership, not liberal feel good BS, it never has.

Although I dont want to be the worlds police force (we have been shouldering that way too long), when it comes to terrorism its been demonstrated over and over that the fight will come to us regardless of how we feel about it. Appeasement wont work. I actually think the drone war, is a good thing, its low visibility (except for the occasional smoking car wreckage) and effective if used correctly.
 
You think these Islamists would be content with their own state? They are a cancer that wont stop until they are exposed to large amounts of kinetic energy.

Yes, your bigotry noted.
 
US policy can and has also been a stabilizing force. Its the weakness of our current POTUS-the unpredictable and illogical chump who loves his enemies and hates his allies-that is the destabilizing influence. Chine and Russia know it. The ME knows it. Europe knows it.

No, while you won't find me defending THIS presidents administration of foreign policy. It is a long term policy of destabilisation and take a look, it's working quite well.
 
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(CNN) -- From around Aleppo in western Syria to small areas of Falluja in central Iraq, al Qaeda now controls territory that stretches more than 400 miles across the heart of the Middle East, according to English and Arab language news accounts as well as accounts on jihadist websites.

Indeed, al Qaeda appears to control more territory in the Arab world than it has done at any time in its history.


Cont... Bergen: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East - CNN.com



So more masterful foreign policy from the Obama administration. Under them we have seen a spread of not just AQ but islamic fundamentalism throughout Asia and Africa. And when our weak leader picks a position-its SUPPORTING these types of characters.

Think back to the campaign promises. Think forward to all the innocent people throughout the world that are suffering because these thugs are running the show.


Funny. Last I recall, Bush left a reasonably viable anti-terrorism strategy and progress in place when he left office.

I guess this is a result when a community organizer has delusions of grandeur and is elected to the White House.
 
Actually the invasion of Iraq probably did the most to spread Al Qaeda into Iraq.

Syria is in a civil war...what exactly should the President be doing? Supporting a dictator? Support a rebellion that has known jihadist?

Actually, the spread of AQ in Iraq is due to the absense of US forces, as it will be in the rest of the ME. Not sure what we expected when we bombed the ME governments into submission and then picked up and left. Like Vietnam, our defeatest attitudes costed us thousands of american lives for no reason at all.
 
The most ****ed up part is that these liberals think saying our nation is too powerful and leading from behind is a sign of strength! :doh The world understands strength and leadership, not liberal feel good BS, it never has.

Although I dont want to be the worlds police force (we have been shouldering that way too long), when it comes to terrorism its been demonstrated over and over that the fight will come to us regardless of how we feel about it. Appeasement wont work. I actually think the drone war, is a good thing, its low visibility (except for the occasional smoking car wreckage) and effective if used correctly.

What are you talking about. The Bush administration ignored a tremendous amount of warning before 9/11. That was because of the agenda outlined in PNAC that you boys like to ignore. Bush longed for the war before he was president and predicted that should he secure the presidency and was presented with opportunity to go to war with Iraq, he wouldn't fail to do what his dad did, he would go all the way to Baghdad and take out Saddam Hussein. That, he said while he was yet governor of Texas. If you deny that he said that, then you are a liar. The war on terror as a whole is a farce and CANNOT ever be won. It only serves the purpose of keeping us perpetually at war with Islamists and feeds the MIC.
 
Yes, your bigotry noted.

You demonstrate your lack of comprehension again. Bigotry would imply I hate them for something other than their actions. From AQ's OWN POLICY STATEMENTS-they want a one world islamist govt, with those who dont comply being killed. Welcome to earth buddy.


It operates as a network comprising both a multinational, stateless army[20] and a radical Sunni Muslim movement calling for global Jihad and a strict interpretation of sharia law. It has been designated as a terrorist organization by the United Nations Security Council, NATO, the European Union, the United Kingdom, the United States, India and various other countries (see below). Al-Qaeda has carried out many attacks on non-Sunni Muslims,[21] non-Muslims,[22][23] and other targets it considers kafir.[24]

Al-Qaeda has attacked civilian and military targets in various countries, including the September 11 attacks, 1998 U.S. embassy bombings and the 2002 Bali bombings. The U.S. government responded to the September 11 attacks by launching the War on Terror. With the loss of key leaders, culminating in the death of Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda's operations have devolved from actions that were controlled from the top-down, to actions by franchise associated groups, to actions of lone wolf operators. Characteristic techniques employed by al-Qaeda include suicide attacks and simultaneous bombings of different targets.[25]
Al-Qaeda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
You demonstrate your lack of comprehension again. Bigotry would imply I hate them for something other than their actions. From AQ's OWN POLICY STATEMENTS-they want a one world islamist govt, with those who dont comply being killed. Welcome to earth buddy.

Not all Islamists are AQ. And I fear, neither of them.
 
No, while you won't find me defending THIS presidents administration of foreign policy. It is a long term policy of destabilisation and take a look, it's working quite well.

Until recently, US policy was stabilizing in Egypt, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qutar, etc. You can't cherry pick.
We destabilize when its in our own best interest-but we have a very limited capacity in that regard, short of full scale military intervention.
 
In 2012 the leadership of the Taliban declared that they would no longer support Al Quaida.

Their leadership has been decimated and to carry that brand name means almoust certain death by a drone.

The problem is that Al Quaida found new homes in other regions such as Somalia, Algeria, Mali, Syria and Iraq.

Developments for which you can mostly not blame the current or even last US president.

Somalia has been in a state of Anarchy since the late 1980s, Algeria went through a civil war with islmaists in the 1990s and the defeated islamists built their base in the Southern desert as a terror network, Mali had an incompetent government that was not capable of facing off the Northern islamists, Syria is a steaming pile of ****, and in Iraq the shia government discriminated the suni population that bady that alot of them went off to join Al Quaida.


Weird how you Americans sometimes even blame yourselves for things that you had no involvement in.

Most of the world is ran by morons so it is no suprise when bad things happen.

No, actually what it is is the Far Right blaming Obama for things he had no control over. But then, since they blame Obama for everything that they perceive wrong in the world, this isn't difficult for them to do.
 
Actually, the spread of AQ in Iraq is due to the absense of US forces, as it will be in the rest of the ME. Not sure what we expected when we bombed the ME governments into submission and then picked up and left. Like Vietnam, our defeatest attitudes costed us thousands of american lives for no reason at all.

Yeah, far better if we had a couple of hundred thousand troops in Iraq and another 100,000 in Afghanistan. You ready to volunteer?
 
Funny. Last I recall, Bush left a reasonably viable anti-terrorism strategy and progress in place when he left office.

I guess this is a result when a community organizer has delusions of grandeur and is elected to the White House.

Its almost criminal incompetence with this president and its state department. :doh

We and the world are experiencing the consequences of amateur hour in the white house.

BTW-Obama's approval rate is now lower than Bush after Katrina.
 
Its almost criminal incompetence with this president and its state department. :doh

We and the world are experiencing the consequences of amateur hour in the white house.

Agreed. I just hope that:

  • They don't end up flying / crashing planes again over here (or other acts over here)
  • We don't have to go over there and do it all over again (although this second time, I'm thinking it'll be far more drones than troops on the ground)
BTW-Obama's approval rate is now lower than Bush after Katrina.

Quite appropriate, from my view.
 
Actually the invasion of Iraq probably did the most to spread Al Qaeda into Iraq.

Syria is in a civil war...what exactly should the President be doing? Supporting a dictator? Support a rebellion that has known jihadist?

wow.. you may not want to post about things your unsure of..

what spreads the jihad is the koran and the maddrasses... along with apathy to confront the jihad..
 
Concentrate. Where did I say ALL ISLAMISTS ARE AQ?

The red herrings and names aren't strengthening your case.

It's not a red herring. You cannot condemn all Islamists for what a small minority (AQ) wants for the world.
 
Agreed. I just hope that:

  • They don't end up flying / crashing planes again over here (or other acts over here)
  • We don't have to go over there and do it all over again (although this second time, I'm thinking it'll be far more drones than troops on the ground)


Quite appropriate, from my view.

Agreed on all counts. I think the drone solution, while not definitive is the most palatable to a number of nations.
 
It's not a red herring. You cannot condemn all Islamists for what a small minority (AQ) wants for the world.

how many is that 'small" minority?.. you may want to start in the Millions... and giving them a country is laughable as thats not their goal..

should we give them Jordan?..
 
Until recently, US policy was stabilizing in Egypt, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qutar, etc. You can't cherry pick.
We destabilize when its in our own best interest-but we have a very limited capacity in that regard, short of full scale military intervention.

Btw, the drone war that you supported in an earlier post, is radicalising and creating more anger towards the US due to the fact that it kills ten innocent civilians for every one "alleged" enemy combatant. ALLEGED I draw attention to as well.
 
Btw, the drone war that you supported in an earlier post, is radicalising and creating more anger towards the US due to the fact that it kills ten innocent civilians for every one "alleged" enemy combatant. ALLEGED I draw attention to as well.

Nonsense....
 
how many is that 'small" minority?.. you may want to start in the Millions... and giving them a country is laughable as thats not their goal..

should we give them Jordan?..

As far as they are concerned (in their own words) the WORLD is theirs. We are just in the way.
 
how many is that 'small" minority?.. you may want to start in the Millions... and giving them a country is laughable as thats not their goal..

should we give them Jordan?..

Giving them a country was a sarcastic suggestion by another poster and my response was in kind. As to the number of AQ, can you post a link defending your numbers claim?
 
Btw, the drone war that you supported in an earlier post, is radicalising and creating more anger towards the US due to the fact that it kills ten innocent civilians for every one "alleged" enemy combatant. ALLEGED I draw attention to as well.

The drone war is a low visibility highly effective and safe way gather intelligence and strike when needed. Its not the best (ground intelligence and ground forces would be), but its a workable solution that has absolutely gutted much of the senior leadership in the ME. Its turned AQ from a top-down terrorist group to a generally less effective bottom up group in those regions. I have no reason to think it wont do the same in Asia and Africa.
 
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