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Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

SMTA said:
Man with 48 bombs in Ohio is an Indiana Guardsman - WCMH: News, Weather, and Sports for Columbus, Ohio



This whole case just reeks.

This clown is a weekend warrior who, it sounds like, is the full-time groundskeeper for the Guard facility.

It sounds like a Special Ops wanna-be to me who got hold of some ordinance he ain't supposed to have.

This case will be highly entertaining, especially with the IN Guard base covering their asses about what this clown had in his car.

Somebody is not taking inventory properly of the explosives on the base......
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What the guy had in his car may have nothing at all to do with the military base. If he acquired them on base, that's another matter altogether. Same with the guns.
 
Thanks, Canada. I didn't see the references to his clearance and training. While I was kidding earlier about him being from the Homemade Bomb Transportation Unit there are a few things to consider. If he was performing duty connected to his job or connected to the base there are even more things that don't make sense.

1. What good reasons would have him transporting "bombs" in his POV car for the military?
2. Assuming he was somehow legally transporting explosives what kind of super dumbass would speed to the degree he is alleged to have driven while transporting explosives? You are inviting the police to pull you over. That is feckin stupid.
3. Again assuming that he is transporting explosives legally, why in the name of all things holy would he not tell the officer that yes he had weapons? Maybe the guy didn't have a CCW. If not, then why would anyone hold a weapon between his knees? I'd have pushed that puppy under the seat at least.

When I was a military cop nothing used to piss me off more than to have someone look me in the face and lie to me while the evidence of the lie was in plain view! When you do that you are BEGGING to be arrested.

It seems highly unlikely to me that this guy was acting on behalf of the military.

The story as written is full of half truths and got knows how much unverified information reported as fact.

IF the guy was on military/federal assignment with what he is alleged to have been doing this is a major incident for the base and higher. If he was legit there would have been a protocol for him to follow if he had been stopped unless Plan B was to disavow any connection to him if he was caught. Otherwise, if he was on a military assignment he would have had local LE to make a call soonest to whomever on base knew of the assignment and was ready to be the flack catcher to keep the incident out of the press.

Why did the press report his clearance and training? Who gave that information to the press? Why is it relevant? It may be, but why?

It is generally is not permitted to transport weapons and explosives on base unless it is connected to your duty and you are assigned to that particular task. Often what is or may be permitted on base is not permitted off base. Stateside while you may be required to be armed while on duty on base, you are not permitted to carry your duty weapon(s) off base unless you are assigned duty off base. In my experience, when that happened you were working with local or state and/or maybe federal people. Point is, they knew up front.

If the reporter and editor don't know the difference between 4 guns and a weapons cache you have to ask, what is a "bomb" by their reporter's definition? We don't know. Do the reporter and editor have even a clue? Beats me.

One thing we can bet on, whatever clearance this guy might have had is long gone now. LOL!

To my thinking the guy is a complete maniac and we are most fortunate a good cop got him off the street.
 
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notquiteright said:
Now you're just making crap up. "all cops now look like SWAT"???? Sorry Charlie, most cops look like cops, no SWAT gear. SWAT is a very select few out of an entire police force. Hell's bells out here most deputies and sheriffs dress in civilian clothes, badge clipped to the breast pocket or civilian leather belt. City cops dress in a traditional uniform, the special gang/drug guys wear cargo pants and either shirts or jackets with GANG UNIT etc on it, but certainly not SWAT 'battle gear'.

I wish you well with your fantasy on home defense. Unless you compete from a sound sleep to battle rattle I'd say you are clueless. Unless you train by having the spousal equiv blast a whistle at OH-Dark-30 and time you gearing up and ready to rock, you are clueless. You have a plate carrier? SERIOUSLY???

If so I'd say you are the one with the warzone mentality, not the police. If the police REALLY thought this was Afghanistan and everyone was a potential enemy combatant then the No Knock would be done with a Hellfire missile, and anyone getting within 50 meters of a police cruiser would be shot.

Oh an FYI, SWAT trains two to the chest and one to the head, hope you have a face plate as well... :peace
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In Massachusetts, cops look VERY different. Go to Boston, or NYC....tell me the same story about how they look.

First off, who doesn't have a plate carrier? Everyone I train and shoot with has one. When we aren't doing 3-gun, and we're just training, we wear them. It's pretty easy to throw on, and if it's sitting next to the AR, I'd say a few seconds and you're good to go. Stupid not to own one IMO. AR500 Armor - Body Armor, Ballistic Plates, and Trauma Plates I run a super low profile rig, no extra ninja **** hanging off of it. It makes sense.
AR500_armor_Banshee_platecarrier_setMC.jpg

Sort of like that. Same brand, level III with anti-spall coating, different color obviously as New England doesn't have much desert.

Second off, I shoot 3-gun comps weekly spring summer fall. Know what 3-gun is? Practical application wise, it doesn't get any better. I get more rounds off in a week than most cops do in 10 years. Not a mall ninja, don't claim to be, I don't walk around in fatigues or wear tacti-cool ****. I shoot, a lot. I love to shoot, but I'm not a bench-rest princess.
This is three gun. We're allowed to be a bit cocky.

I'm shooting 3 - 4 days a week in this manner. In and out of cars, behind cover, running and gunning, reactive targets, etc etc etc. I've taken enough carbine courses to sink a battle ship, and again, I shoot 3-gun....I dare say 3-gun shooters are some of the best in the world in practical situations. I'm not an average shooter by any stretch. Actually, there's a ton of SWAT guys that shoot at the local comps, some broadcast it, some are just regular dudes. Good shooters actually (some of them at least, some ate too many tactical ho-hos)

I have a feeling you don't realize just how many people like me there are....just regular people, but we take this aspect of freedom seriously. We train individually and in groups, 1/2 of us are vets, the rest are regular people (nurses, firefighters, teachers, carpenters, students...you name it). We aren't slobs, we don't sit in our moms basement dreaming about the end of the world. We also realize things are getting weird in this country, and prepare accordingly.

Some good guys from TN.
 
Somerville said:
Interesting reason the first officer started asking questions of the man


an update on the story
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Who gives a ****, the man has Second Amendment rights.


Everyone should have a gun IMO..
 
MichaelJR said:
In Massachusetts, cops look VERY different. Go to Boston, or NYC....tell me the same story about how they look.

First off, who doesn't have a plate carrier? Everyone I train and shoot with has one. When we aren't doing 3-gun, and we're just training, we wear them. It's pretty easy to throw on, and if it's sitting next to the AR, I'd say a few seconds and you're good to go. Stupid not to own one IMO. AR500 Armor - Body Armor, Ballistic Plates, and Trauma Plates I run a super low profile rig, no extra ninja **** hanging off of it. It makes sense.
AR500_armor_Banshee_platecarrier_setMC.jpg

Sort of like that. Same brand, level III with anti-spall coating, different color obviously as New England doesn't have much desert.

Second off, I shoot 3-gun comps weekly spring summer fall. Know what 3-gun is? Practical application wise, it doesn't get any better. I get more rounds off in a week than most cops do in 10 years. Not a mall ninja, don't claim to be, I don't walk around in fatigues or wear tacti-cool ****. I shoot, a lot. I love to shoot, but I'm not a bench-rest princess.
This is three gun. We're allowed to be a bit cocky.

I'm shooting 3 - 4 days a week in this manner. In and out of cars, behind cover, running and gunning, reactive targets, etc etc etc. I've taken enough carbine courses to sink a battle ship, and again, I shoot 3-gun....I dare say 3-gun shooters are some of the best in the world in practical situations. I'm not an average shooter by any stretch. Actually, there's a ton of SWAT guys that shoot at the local comps, some broadcast it, some are just regular dudes. Good shooters actually (some of them at least, some ate too many tactical ho-hos)

I have a feeling you don't realize just how many people like me there are....just regular people, but we take this aspect of freedom seriously. We train individually and in groups, 1/2 of us are vets, the rest are regular people (nurses, firefighters, teachers, carpenters, students...you name it). We aren't slobs, we don't sit in our moms basement dreaming about the end of the world. We also realize things are getting weird in this country, and prepare accordingly.

Some good guys from TN.
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Seems pretty standard for steel armor.
 
American said:
Seems pretty standard for steel armor.
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Yep. I'm young enough, no health or muscle issues, I stay in shape, I can carry the weight. I keep everything else fast and light, don't want to go ceramic if I can strap on a few extra lbs for that level of protection. Steel is nice in that it can take quite a few hits. Ceramic plates aren't as durable.
 
Risky Thicket said:
What the guy had in his car may have nothing at all to do with the military base. If he acquired them on base, that's another matter altogether. Same with the guns.
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The operative word there is 'acquired', or purloined, or stole..
 
why would you have that bumper sticker in the first place?
 
MichaelJR said:
Yep. I'm young enough, no health or muscle issues, I stay in shape, I can carry the weight. I keep everything else fast and light, don't want to go ceramic if I can strap on a few extra lbs for that level of protection. Steel is nice in that it can take quite a few hits. Ceramic plates aren't as durable.
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Ceramic is obviously for weight reduction, and for AP projectiles.
 
CRUE CAB said:
The upper pic is some Norman Rockwell fantasy land. It was never like that.
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You're wrong. It was like that where I grew up except the police and sheriffs didn't wear the jackboots (which then were only for motorcycle cops which we didn't have).
 
The German said:
If you are moronic enought to hide a gun between your knees during a routine police check, you deserve to be in prison for stupidity.
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It's not moronic. It's his civil right.
 
American said:
Ceramic is obviously for weight reduction, and for AP projectiles.
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Not much can counter some of the nasty handloads I've seen. I'm just starting to load 5.7 for my fiveseven and ps90. Turns armor into Swiss cheese. Tough to load.
 
MichaelJR said:
In Massachusetts, cops look VERY different. Go to Boston, or NYC....tell me the same story about how they look.

First off, who doesn't have a plate carrier? Everyone I train and shoot with has one. When we aren't doing 3-gun, and we're just training, we wear them. It's pretty easy to throw on, and if it's sitting next to the AR, I'd say a few seconds and you're good to go. Stupid not to own one IMO. AR500 Armor - Body Armor, Ballistic Plates, and Trauma Plates I run a super low profile rig, no extra ninja **** hanging off of it. It makes sense.
AR500_armor_Banshee_platecarrier_setMC.jpg

Sort of like that. Same brand, level III with anti-spall coating, different color obviously as New England doesn't have much desert.

Second off, I shoot 3-gun comps weekly spring summer fall. Know what 3-gun is? Practical application wise, it doesn't get any better. I get more rounds off in a week than most cops do in 10 years. Not a mall ninja, don't claim to be, I don't walk around in fatigues or wear tacti-cool ****. I shoot, a lot. I love to shoot, but I'm not a bench-rest princess.
This is three gun. We're allowed to be a bit cocky.

I'm shooting 3 - 4 days a week in this manner. In and out of cars, behind cover, running and gunning, reactive targets, etc etc etc. I've taken enough carbine courses to sink a battle ship, and again, I shoot 3-gun....I dare say 3-gun shooters are some of the best in the world in practical situations. I'm not an average shooter by any stretch. Actually, there's a ton of SWAT guys that shoot at the local comps, some broadcast it, some are just regular dudes. Good shooters actually (some of them at least, some ate too many tactical ho-hos)

I have a feeling you don't realize just how many people like me there are....just regular people, but we take this aspect of freedom seriously. We train individually and in groups, 1/2 of us are vets, the rest are regular people (nurses, firefighters, teachers, carpenters, students...you name it). We aren't slobs, we don't sit in our moms basement dreaming about the end of the world. We also realize things are getting weird in this country, and prepare accordingly.

Some good guys from TN.
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Question- are you a vet? I am a combat vet.

Have you ever been an Instructor at a tacti-cool school? I was. I have RO'd and competed in several 3 guns, I have YET to see anything but a 'rambo' vest on the range. (rambo vest is a junk carrier, no protection) Now when the High Risk Entry teams train at the facility I used to work for THEY wore full battle rattle, but never have seen a civilian bring his own ballistic vest and brain bucket to ANY match or carbine training.

Have you ever timed yourself from a sound sleep to vest on, weapon up and off safe? What was that time?

I have been to Philly and Boston... the pic you tried to pawn off as 'typical cops' was the hunt for the Marathon Bomber- NOT just another day in Bean Town! :doh

I'll bet you a shiny nickle that if the cops did a no knock on your house you wouldn't have your vest on by the time they were standing in the bedroom doorway. They have a method to their madness, they know where to head first in an OH-Dark-30 breach. You'd do MUCH better to try and use the vest as a handheld shield and engage with a pistol while still in bed because you are not going to have time to wake, identify the threat, stand, put your vest on and then mount the carbine by the time the Cops are on you.

But keep dreaming... tacti-cool schools need to make money too.... :peace
 
apdst said:
It's the 2nd Amendment.
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There is nothing in the 2nd that prohibits a state from enacting laws for the proper transport of a weapon in a motor vehicle.
 
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