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Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

j-mac said:
What proposals? From what I read, and I did read the original article he wrote, his stance is, 'no property rights', 'money for nothing', 'government banks', and 'everyone just work for the government'.....You know what, the world has seen that, and it failed. It was called the Soviet Union.
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Russia was a backwaters country at the periphery of world powers in the early 20th century. By the end of the 20th Century it was graduating the top scientists, producing boodles of goods and saw a remarkable increase in the standard of living for most of it's citizens. There were gross human rights violations under the communist and I wouldn't choose to live in the Soviet Union...but I wouldn't prefer to live in the "Democratic" Russia that exists now over the US.

I'm not advocating communism but this idea that it destroyed the Soviet Union is bogus. What destroyed the Soviet Union was corruption and trying to keep up with the US militarily.
 
hjl1991 said:
That's impossible. If you want a good job, get one that adds more wealth to a country. As it stands, working at McDonalds does not add more wealth to a country, and raising prices to accommodate a living wage would turn millions of people away from the store, thus resulting in stores losing profit, then closing, then losing jobs.

If you want a better job, work hard, be honest, stay sober, and get more education. In the real world, not everyone is willing to do what it takes to move up in the world, thus you see 40 year olds working at McDonalds and doing a poor job at it.
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I used to think the way you do. After thinking more deeply about it though, I came to the realization that there will always be a certain percentage of people who are not able to get a good job, likewise, there will always be jobs that need doing which happen to not pay well, for example a hospital janitor.

The fact is, you need someone to serve you burgers, just as you need someone to clean your hospitals, teach your kids, put out fires, and a number of other things that don't pay well.

I think those people deserve to make a living wage, which to me is defined as a wage that allows those people to fully participate in the economy.

Trickle down capitalism has never been proven to work, so I think a managed capitalism is the only real answer.
 
Boo Radley said:
I think you assume a lot about workers that I don't know is true. There are many reasons someone may be working at McDonald's other than laziness, dishonesty, being high, or not trying to be educated. I know people want simple answers, but the fact remains people work there at sub living wages. Is this desirable? That's the question.
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If they weren't happy they wouldn't have taken the job.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Trickle down capitalism has never been proven to work, so I think a managed capitalism is the only real answer.
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Who were these advocates of trickle down capitalism and when has it been put to the test?
 
Grant said:
If they weren't happy they wouldn't have taken the job.
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People don't take a job at McDonalds to be happy, they take a job to earn money. Something you and other Cons have said you wanted people to do and then you mock and insult them for it. I guess they should just go on welfare or unemployment instead right?
 
iliveonramen said:
Russia was a backwaters country at the periphery of world powers in the early 20th century. By the end of the 20th Century it was graduating the top scientists, producing boodles of goods and saw a remarkable increase in the standard of living for most of it's citizens. There were gross human rights violations under the communist and I wouldn't choose to live in the Soviet Union...but I wouldn't prefer to live in the "Democratic" Russia that exists now over the US.

I'm not advocating communism but this idea that it destroyed the Soviet Union is bogus. What destroyed the Soviet Union was corruption and trying to keep up with the US militarily.
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You obviously have no knowledge about what life was like in the old Soviet Union or Eastern Europe during the Communist decades. You should move your debate to other areas with which you are more familiar.
 
Peter Grimm said:
People want a job that provides them a living wage, which I think is something society should guarantee.
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Actually I want a job that provides more than a "living" wage, so I decided to work hard, get educated, and find a good paying job. Of course that doesn't say much in itself since no one can quantify a living wage.
 
Grant said:
You obviously have no knowledge about what life was like in the old Soviet Union or Eastern Europe during the Communist decades. You should move your debate to other areas with which you are more familiar.
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You obviously have no knowledge what Russia was like under the Czars. You should move your debate to other areas with which you are more familiar
 
American said:
Actually I want a job that provides more than a "living" wage, so I decided to work hard, get educated, and find a good paying job. Of course that doesn't say much in itself since no one can quantify a living wage.
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I'll put a number on it.

According to UC Davis, a full-time minimum wage employee currently earns $15,080 annually. I think a living wage is closer to $40,000 annually, and we should make the necessary changes to ensure that happens.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I'll put a number on it.

According to UC Davis, a full-time minimum wage employee currently earns $15,080 annually. I think a living wage is closer to $40,000 annually, and we should make the necessary changes to ensure that happens.
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Minimum wage is a false construct created by unions, among others to benchmark their own bargaining interests. For example I am a company truck driver, with over 20 years experience. I make about 60k per year. You move minimum wage to $40k per year and I then want $160k per year. What do you think happens to the cost of your goods at that point? And that is just one aspect of what your silly idea of "living wage" just because gets you.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I'll put a number on it.

According to UC Davis, a full-time minimum wage employee currently earns $15,080 annually. I think a living wage is closer to $40,000 annually, and we should make the necessary changes to ensure that happens.
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By giving out handouts and subsidizing failure?

When you subsidize something-you get more of it.
 
j-mac said:
Minimum wage is a false construct created by unions, among others to benchmark their own bargaining interests. For example I am a company truck driver, with over 20 years experience. I make about 60k per year. You move minimum wage to $40k per year and I then want $160k per year. What do you think happens to the cost of your goods at that point? And that is just one aspect of what your silly idea of "living wage" just because gets you.
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You might want $160k per year, that doesn't mean you're going to get it. All I'm saying is that there should be a floor, nobody should make less than $40k per year. That doesn't mean everyone else automatically gets a raise.
 
US Conservative said:
By giving out handouts and subsidizing failure?

When you subsidize something-you get more of it.
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How is working as a firefighter or flipping burgers being a failure? I think everyone A.) Has a right and a responsibility to work and B.) Is entitled to a living wage.
 
Peter Grimm said:
You might want $160k per year, that doesn't mean you're going to get it. All I'm saying is that there should be a floor, nobody should make less than $40k per year. That doesn't mean everyone else automatically gets a raise.
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And you think that making burgers 30 hours a week is worth $40k?

As to your automatic raise comment, if an unskilled part timer demands $40k then I demand $160k. And I am worth that much more than the order taker at McD. You think we aren't? Just look around you. I and my brother's and sister's brought to you EVERYTHING you have.
 
j-mac said:
And you think that making burgers 30 hours a week is worth $40k?

As to your automatic raise comment, if an unskilled part timer demands $40k then I demand $160k. And I am worth that much more than the order taker at McD. You think we aren't? Just look around you. I and my brother's and sister's brought to you EVERYTHING you have.
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Didn't you say you make $60k? You'd still be making $20k per year more than these guys. I'm not sure why that's unsettling to you. It's not like your taxes would go up to pay for it. I say we should institute an additional 20% tax on the millionaires and billionaires (top 1 percent) and use that money to directly redistribute to the poorest Americans in the form of a check in the mail.

It's ungodly how much these CEO's make. Believe me, they can afford to have 20 percent of their salaries slashed so that everyone else can live a decent life.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Didn't you say you make $60k? You'd still be making $20k per year more than these guys. I'm not sure why that's unsettling to you. It's not like your taxes would go up to pay for it. I say we should institute an additional 20% tax on the millionaires and billionaires (top 1 percent) and use that money to directly redistribute to the poorest Americans in the form of a check in the mail.

It's ungodly how much these CEO's make. Believe me, they can afford to have 20 percent of their salaries slashed so that everyone else can live a decent life.
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You're dead wrong and I'll explain further when I get done with this run and home.
 
j-mac said:
You're dead wrong and I'll explain further when I get done with this run and home.
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Alright, be safe out there. I used to work a sales job where I was on the road 6-10 hours a day, it's a bitch.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I'll put a number on it.

According to UC Davis, a full-time minimum wage employee currently earns $15,080 annually. I think a living wage is closer to $40,000 annually, and we should make the necessary changes to ensure that happens.
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Why don't you go pick a small town to try it out in and see how it works for you?
 
American said:
Why don't you go pick a small town to try it out in and see how it works for you?
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The states with the highest minimum wage are Oregon, Connecticut, Washington state and Vermont. Those are also, incidentally, four of the wealthiest states in the union.
 
Peter Grimm said:
The states with the highest minimum wage are Oregon, Connecticut, Washington state and Vermont. Those are also, incidentally, four of the wealthiest states in the union.
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And your point?
 
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