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Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

Kreton said:
I dont oppose the death penalty but a lethal injection of drugs that has never been tested seems wrong.
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hanging, the chair and firing squads have long track records. I figure hanging is the least expensive and as quick as the other two
 
disneydude said:
The government should not play God. Only God should decide when a person should die.
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but when a man plays god, its only fair that other men play god for him
 
Kreton said:
I am not opposed to the death penalty at all but I do believe it should be done in a fairly painless and in a humane manner when it is used. I would strongly prefer a physical execution to a drugged one.
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There is nothing "humane" about ending the life of another person, no matter how deserving they may be of death.
 
shrubnose said:
That is where the problem comes in. Some people have been wrongly convicted
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I agree.

I'm not a proponent of the death penalty - it's not a religious thing, it's just that I could never personally kill or harm another person or an animal for that matter so it would be hypocritical of me to expect someone else to do it on my behalf.

But for those who do support the death penalty, I see no reason why they would be concerned with death being administered in a "humane" way. There's no one on death row, convicted of murder, who administered a death sentence on their victim(s) in a humane way.
 
CanadaJohn said:
There is nothing "humane" about ending the life of another person, no matter how deserving they may be of death.
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Some methods are far more humane than others. A quick beheading, or bullet to the brain is quick and likely painless. As opposed to a stoning.
 
disneydude said:
That rationale equates the actions of the government with the actions of the killer.
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remind me how many murder victims get a jury of their peers and other constitutional protections
 
Kreton said:
Some methods are far more humane than others. A quick beheading, or bullet to the brain is quick and likely painless. As opposed to a stoning.
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Seems to me that hospitals frequently induce comas in people with traumatic brain or other injuries, eliminating all feeling - why not just induce a coma and then end the person's life, if eliminating any pain for the deseased is the goal?
 
CanadaJohn said:
Seems to me that hospitals frequently induce comas in people with traumatic brain or other injuries, eliminating all feeling - why not just induce a coma and then end the person's life, if eliminating any pain for the deseased is the goal?
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Thats one of the goals. At least to me. Cost is another. That method seems more expensive.
 
Hopefully it will be painful and take along time to kill him. Just sayin'.
 
shrubnose said:
How many people who are executed for crimes that they didn't commit get their lives back?
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I am not a big fan of the DP for that reason but there are many cases where there isn't even an iota of doubt
 
The problem with this Ohio cocktail appears to be the midazolam. It has been used, but not with hydromorphone, I don’t think. Here is info on a Florida lawsuit that may presage others: Florida executes inmate with controversial lethal injection ? RT USA

From New Scientist about the convicted Ohio killer referenced in the OP:

Anaesthesiologist David Waisel at Harvard University is concerned Phillips [child killer whose offer of organ donation gained him a stay of execution in November] may not be rendered sufficiently unconscious by the injected midazolam before the high dose of hydromorphone – which can cause soft tissue in the throat to collapse – takes effect. "That would cause a truly horrible suffocating sensation," he says.

In October, William Happ, a convicted murderer in Florida, was executed using midazolam and two other drugs. Witnesses said he endured a longer death and moved more frequently than is usual. Options running out for the US death penalty - health - 12 November 2013 - New Scientist

The larger problem is that execution drugs are not going to become more readily available. See link above re some states turning to compounding pharmacies, which are unregulated by the FDA.

What will states do if lethal injection is no longer an option? I mean, the guillotine is wishful thinking. How horrible to consider a return to electrocution or gassing. Maybe the real solution is to end the death penalty altogether because as a society, we can do better than killing those we convict of killing?
 
Kreton said:
I dont oppose the death penalty but a lethal injection of drugs that has never been tested seems wrong.
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Why?

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He raped and killed a pregnant woman.

I'm not going to lose much sleep over getting the recipe precisely correct.

We find out every day how easily people die, why is it so damn difficult to get the death penalty to work right?
 
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CRUE CAB said:
What is the number?
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I believe that it is zero.




Anyone who ever thinks about killing another human being needs to be absolutely 100% sure that they are doing the right thing, because that is an action that, right or wrong, you can't take back.
 
You could just end the death penalty and you don't have to worry about it.
 
Kreton said:
I dont oppose the death penalty but a lethal injection of drugs that has never been tested seems wrong.
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It will work, as long as its a megadose. And the guys brain will be BLOCKED from either pain or anxiety.
Frankly there are worse ways to go, and I wont lose sleep over how he feels about it.

Id also add that many anti-death penalty advocated have put us in this place by making it difficult to execute patients with other drugs.
 
CanadaJohn said:
But for those who do support the death penalty, I see no reason why they would be concerned with death being administered in a "humane" way. There's no one on death row, convicted of murder, who administered a death sentence on their victim(s) in a humane way.
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Which is why I have no problem with execution - these pieces of crap don't deserve to live and sometimes I think their method of execution should be in the same manner as they killed their victim.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Seems to me that hospitals frequently induce comas in people with traumatic brain or other injuries, eliminating all feeling - why not just induce a coma and then end the person's life, if eliminating any pain for the deseased is the goal?
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Why not let the victim's family decide the method?

Or, utilize the same method of killing that the convicted killer used on their victims.

I am fine with either way.
 
Your Star said:
The biggest problem being that there is always a chance of killing an innocent person. That is just unacceptable.

But yeah, to not derail the thread further, Ohio shouldn't use this untested method to kill someone. It just screams of being wrong.
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Humans are not perfect, so that risk will always be there.

The current judicial system is certainly not perfect, but there are a plethora of checks and balances in capital murder trials.

The fallout is worth the risk in order to keep psycho killers away from the population.
 
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