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Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

"Chicago is slated to end 2013 with fewer murders than at any time since the early 1960s with 412 homicides"

Chicago Homicides Down by 17% in 2013 - WSJ.com

What was all of that Republican rhetoric about failed gun control laws?

Ever thought that may be because prison sentences were given out more frequently in the last few years? Perhaps more people went to jail and were kept there.
 
"Chicago is slated to end 2013 with fewer murders than at any time since the early 1960s with 412 homicides"

Chicago Homicides Down by 17% in 2013 - WSJ.com

What was all of that Republican rhetoric about failed gun control laws?

I can't read the linked article, as it is behind a paywall.

Is it your intent to claim that Chicago has recently imposed tighter gun control laws than before, and that these tighter laws are responsible for the drop in the homicide rate?

The last news of any significance that I recall regarding Chicago's gun control laws was that the U.S. Supreme Court struck them down as unconstitutional; and that Chicago was scrambling to try to implement new laws that comply with the recent Supreme Court ruling. Any such laws, if they got enacted, and have any hope of standing, would be less strict than those that were struck down.

And even with that drop in the homicide rate, Chicago remains one of the most murderously violent cities in the United States—hardly any basis on which to hold them up as an example of a place that is doing anything right with regard to the issue of violent crime.
 
What was all of that Republican rhetoric about failed gun control laws?


Since they still top US major cities in crime rates, it's likely something else altogether.

Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy has regularly touted the improved crime numbers, saying on more than one occasion that the homicide figures were the lowest for Chicago since the 1960s or even the late 1950s. He has credited saturating high-crime areas with additional officers, using intelligence to prevent retaliatory gang shootings and moving 200 officers back to the street from desk duty.
The department also spent tens of millions of dollars on overtime pay to, at one time, more than 400 cops a day to work in the city's most crime-plagued neighborhoods on their days off. Additional rookie cops have worked straight time in those neighborhoods on foot patrols.
While McCarthy scoffs at the weather as a factor, criminologists said the unseasonably warm start to 2012 contributed greatly to homicides topping 500 last year for the first time since 2008. The more typical winter weather early this year helped produce sharply lower homicide figures through the first three months.
But as spring and summer rolled along, the improvement in the homicide numbers began to slow, more sharply over the last three months. In the third quarter, killings totaled 137, down from 148 in the year-earlier period.
Arthur Lurigio, a professor of psychology and criminal justice at Loyola University Chicago, called the bloodshed of 2012 "an aberration" that was attributable to the "unseasonably warm late winter and early spring and an explosion of fractionalization within street gangs."
"A comparison of 2013 statistics with those of 2011 suggests that the city is returning to its expected baseline number of homicides this year," he said.
Homicides in Chicago have declined significantly this year, but the pace of improvement has slowed - Chicago Tribune
 
"Chicago is slated to end 2013 with fewer murders than at any time since the early 1960s with 412 homicides"

Chicago Homicides Down by 17% in 2013 - WSJ.com

What was all of that Republican rhetoric about failed gun control laws?

412? This you're happy about?

All violent crime has been on the decline for decades, its dropped slower in places like Chicago; Whereas DC got their annual murders under 100.
 
"Chicago is slated to end 2013 with fewer murders than at any time since the early 1960s with 412 homicides"

Chicago Homicides Down by 17% in 2013 - WSJ.com

What was all of that Republican rhetoric about failed gun control laws?
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Quinn Open-Minded About Using State Resources To Curb Chicago*Violence
September 21, 2013 12:48 PM



Quinn Open-Minded About Using State Resources To Curb Chicago Violence « CBS Chicago
Why would the governor of Illinois consider bringing in the national guard to help the Chicago police department, if it's murder rate was at its lowest in 50 years?
 
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Quinn Open-Minded About Using State Resources To Curb Chicago*Violence
September 21, 2013 12:48 PM



Quinn Open-Minded About Using State Resources To Curb Chicago Violence « CBS Chicago
Why would the governor of Illinois consider bringing in the national guard to help the Chicago police department, if it's murder rate was at its lowest in 50 years?

There are still major gang Problems in Chicago. Nobody is denying that. Gun control alone won't stop all of the crime
 
There are still major gang Problems in Chicago. Nobody is denying that. Gun control alone won't stop all of the crime
But what you posted was false from the get go.
 
"Chicago is slated to end 2013 with fewer murders than at any time since the early 1960s with 412 homicides"

Only 412 homicides in the city of Chicago, now that is something to be proud of. Chicago is probably on the top ten list of the best cities to live in.
 
But what you posted was false from the get go.

How do you figure? The conservative rhetoric has been that stricter gun control has lead to higher murder rates in the city of Chicago. This simply is not true.
 
From what I heard Chicago is starting to resemble Detroit.
 
Only 412 homicides in the city of Chicago, now that is something to be proud of. Chicago is probably on the top ten list of the best cities to live in.

I assume you're being sarcastic. I am also going to assume that you've never actually been to Chicago. It is one of the most beautiful Cities in America, and it's economy is one of the strongest.

"World’s Most Competitive Cities Report Puts Chicago at the Top of All Major Sectors for Business Investments; Global Location Trends Report Ranks Chicago #1 in U.S. for Foreign Direct Investment"

Here's an idea.. If you're going to move to a major city, stay away from the Ghettos..

Chicago is a great place to live and start a business.
 
"Chicago is slated to end 2013 with fewer murders than at any time since the early 1960s with 412 homicides"

Chicago Homicides Down by 17% in 2013 - WSJ.com

What was all of that Republican rhetoric about failed gun control laws?


You didn't think that due to fewer murders and less shootings that gives any accurate picture now do you?



Violence reverberates through the city, even with decline in shootings, homicides
The staccato of gunfire an unrelenting reality for neighborhoods stretching from the West to Far South sides

It was just one scene in a city where gunfire has long been too common. In the first six months of this year, more than 1,000 people were shot in Chicago, according to a Tribune analysis.

The trends have been positive this year, with the number of shootings and homicides running below last year's tragic spike, but similar to other recent years. The regular weekly statistics released by Chicago police include the number of shooting incidents, not the number of victims. Even if an incident involves multiple victims, it is counted as a single shooting. But the Tribune analysis focused on the number of victims.

A quick glance at a map of these shootings shows that this violence takes an inordinate toll on a swath of the city spanning West Pullman on the Far South Side to Austin on the western edge. Night after night, guns pop and scenes unfold.....snip~

Violence reverberates through the city, even with decline in shootings, homicides - Chicago Tribune

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings/
 
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You heard wrong.. Let me guess, you've never been to Chicago have you?
I lived in the inner city of Chicago till I was 12 years old. All I saw were gangsters, drug dealers, and destroyed businesses.


People can have a glimpse of chicago.
 
You heard wrong.. Let me guess, you've never been to Chicago have you?

Here let me help you with some more of that. ;)


Chicago, IL (Friday, February 1, 2013) — Rev. Jesse L. Jackson, Sr. and

Rainbow PUSH Coalition call for immediate Federal Intervention and Homeland Security in Chicago as January homicide totals exceeded 45.

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Reverend Jesse Jackson reaffirms that gun control reform is critical and the ban on assault weapons paramount.

Rev. Jesse L. Jackson, Sr. states “With each passing shot, the call for gun reform

becomes more critical because of the stinging pain of past tragedies; we must

work diligently to break this cycle of violence to prevent future tragedies”......snip~

Reverend Jackson And Rainbow/PUSH Call for Federal Intervention in Chicago | Rainbow PUSH Coalition

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-st...e-intervention-homeland-security-chicago.html
 
I lived in the inner city of Chicago till I was 12 years old. All I saw were gangsters, drug dealers, and destroyed businesses.


People can have a glimpse of chicago.


WOW so you show a video of one of Chicago's most dangerous Neighborhoods, and try to pass that off as representing all of Chicago? That seems real fair. The City of Chicago is Beautiful, and has some of the nicest and safest suburbs in the US.

Two can play that game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLvT78R7sco
 
I assume you're being sarcastic. I am also going to assume that you've never actually been to Chicago. It is one of the most beautiful Cities in America, and it's economy is one of the strongest.

"World’s Most Competitive Cities Report Puts Chicago at the Top of All Major Sectors for Business Investments; Global Location Trends Report Ranks Chicago #1 in U.S. for Foreign Direct Investment"

Here's an idea.. If you're going to move to a major city, stay away from the Ghettos..

Chicago is a great place to live and start a business.

With 412 murders, your kidding, right.
 
There are still major gang Problems in Chicago. Nobody is denying that. Gun control alone won't stop all of the any crime

Fixed it for you.

Gun control is for those who are willfully on the side of criminals and tyrants. Those who are on the side of law-abiding citizens are opposed to gun control.
 
How do you figure? The conservative rhetoric has been that stricter gun control has lead to higher murder rates in the city of Chicago. This simply is not true.

So far, all the evidence is that it is true, and nothing that you've posted has credibly cast any doubt on it.

Chicago has long had one of the worst murder rates in the nation, and also some of the most extreme gun control.

Chicago's gun control laws were recently struck down by the Supreme Court, and the murder rate there has declined somewhat. If there is any connection between these two facts, then the evidence here certainly does suggest a correlation between stricter gun control and a higher murder rate; and certainly does nothing to suggest the reverse.
 
Only 412 homicides in the city of Chicago, now that is something to be proud of. Chicago is probably on the top ten list of the best cities to live in.

Heya BF. :2wave: Well lets not forget how Chicago justice works and who it works for. ;)



It’s getting easier to get away with shooting people in Chicago.

Last year, gunmen who shot and wounded someone got away without criminal charges 94 percent of the time, according to a DNAinfo.com Chicago analysis of police data.

That’s even worse than 2011, when 91.5 percent of shooters escaped charges, according to the data

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In 2012, Chicago police cleared 211 aggravated battery with a firearm cases — 11 percent of the 1,893 incidents where someone was shot and wounded during the calendar year.

But of those cases, only 111 shootings — about 6 percent — resulted in charges. The other 100 cases were "cleared exceptionally,” which means police know who the shooter is but were unable to bring charges, the state’s attorney wouldn’t bring charges, a victim refused to testify after identifying a shooter or the offender was dead.

Detectives in 2012 were able to clear 144 cases that happened before 2012. But even when you factor in those cases, Chicago's total clearance rate — 18.8 percent — is nearly half the national average cited in the most recent FBI report on clearance rates.

In 2010, eight police departments in cities with more than 1 million residents cleared 35.5 percent of nonfatal shootings with an arrest, the FBI report shows.

Police sources told DNAinfo.com Chicago that the Cook County State's Attorney's "felony review" process also has made it difficult to bring charges against shooters.

About 83 percent of last year's nonfatal shooting investigations were suspended. In 2011, 78 percent of nonfatal shooting investigations were suspended, according to police data.

We should look at what is preventing cases being charged. Is it a matter of workload? Is it a matter of community cooperation? Is it a matter of prosecutors not wanting to take these cases?" Weis said.....snip~

Most Shooters In Chicago Don't Face Charges - Chicago - DNAinfo.com Chicago

http://www.debatepolitics.com/midwest/155874-most-shooters-chicago-dont-face-charges.html


Kind of like.....forgetaboutit. Capece. ;)
 
WOW so you show a video of one of Chicago's most dangerous Neighborhoods, and try to pass that off as representing all of Chicago? That seems real fair. The City of Chicago is Beautiful, and has some of the nicest and safest suburbs in the US.

Two can play that game:

New Homes For Sale in Chicago Suburbs - Hoffman Estates, IL - YouTube
I have no reasons to play a game. Chicago suburbs are nice, but we were not talking about the suburbs. We were talking about the actual city. Downtown is nice, but then again detroit's is not bad either.
 
"Chicago is slated to end 2013 with fewer murders than at any time since the early 1960s with 412 homicides"

Chicago Homicides Down by 17% in 2013 - WSJ.com

What was all of that Republican rhetoric about failed gun control laws?

That is still a higher per capita rate than many states. That is like a Drunk Driver saying he made it back this time...and he only clipped a Few cars.
 
Actually I thought it was because the courts demanded the people be allowed concealed weapons permits for the first time in decades?


Ever thought that may be because prison sentences were given out more frequently in the last few years? Perhaps more people went to jail and were kept there.
 
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