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One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

ethanUNC said:
Continue to educate them.
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Waste of time. People who actively reject evolution do it for emotional/religious reasons. You cannot reason a person out of a position they did not reason themselves into. Evidence doesn't matter to them.

You MIGHT be able to do the whole "God is the most epic liar of all time if you believe in literal creationism" but that IMO often gets them more angry.
 
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Based on where I grew up, I think he number is higher.

Somehow along the way, being a political right-winger has become synonymous with rejecting science. It's like... you can't be Christian yet believe in the scientific method anymore, which I don't get. The Vatican has scientists who can rival the best of them, so what is America's problem? I think it's puritanism, combined with an education system that is becoming increasingly abysmal.

It's weird because... right wingers encourage their children to ideologically reject evolution, and yet they frown harshly upon their children using critical thinking for anything else.

I am equally critical of evolution as I am creationism or intelligent design. I question everything. If you question evolution then you should also be questioning your faith, and your community who says evolution should be rejected. Why should it be rejected?

USE THE BRAIN THAT GOD GAVE YOU!
 
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I don't completely accept every part of evolution. There are a few weak links in the theory.

I can completely accept the fact that religion is an absolutely ridiculous use of lack of facts to try prove a point.
"No proof is possible! That means you have no choice but to accept my theory!"

Wow... I wonder if I just upset everyone reading this? Ooops.
 
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libertyMoney said:
I don't completely accept every part of evolution. There are a few weak links in the theory.

I can completely accept the fact that religion is an absolutely ridiculous use of lack of facts to try prove a point.
"No proof is possible! That means you have no choice but to accept my theory!"

Wow... I wonder if I just upset everyone reading this? Ooops.
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I agree there are weak links in the theory that is why they are constantly rushing to fix it every time they find something that contradicts the orginal theory.
 
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ludin said:
I agree there are weak links in the theory that is why they are constantly rushing to fix it every time they find something that contradicts the orginal theory.
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There is nothing to fix. As more information, data becomes available the understanding changes.
 
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winston53660 said:
There is nothing to fix. As more information, data becomes available the understanding changes.
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Which means the theory was wrong and it has to be revised. so yes it needs to be fixed.
 
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ludin said:
Which means the theory was wrong and it has to be revised. so yes it needs to be fixed.
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No it does not mean the theory was wrong. It means as more information becomes available it becomes more dynamic.
 
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ludin said:
I agree there are weak links in the theory that is why they are constantly rushing to fix it every time they find something that contradicts the orginal theory.
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LOLOLOLOL

The original theory was proposed by Darwin more than 100 yrs ago. Of course it changes, as we learn more and more.


I cant believe the number of times I read in this thread that people accused 'science' today of 'not agreeing with Darwin.' REALLY? Do we depend on the medical science, chemistry, or physics of 100 yrs ago? Or do we constantly research and experiment and discover MORE about those sciences and those theories?

Darwin's initially proposed theory stands up pretty well today but we know so much more about the mechanisms that evolution works thru....do you really think Darwin could have known all this? What...was he out digging up fossils? Discovering carbon dating? Unraveling DNA? Dissecting the human genome? So of course evolutionary theory has been updated. With each new piece of information scientists evaluate and test and come to new consensus OR reject. Science is not static.
 
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libertyMoney said:
I don't completely accept every part of evolution. There are a few weak links in the theory.

I can completely accept the fact that religion is an absolutely ridiculous use of lack of facts to try prove a point.
"No proof is possible! That means you have no choice but to accept my theory!"

Wow... I wonder if I just upset everyone reading this? Ooops.
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Do we know everything about cancer? No. Does it exist? Yes. Do we understand many or most things that cause it and contribute to its growth and how it metastasizes? Yes.

Do we know EVERYTHING about those things? No. Do people turn down treatment because we dont know all those things? Of course not.

Is there more than one way to treat cancer? Yes. Is it still cancer? Yes. Do people still accept treatment? Yes. Do they turn down treatment because "we dont know everything...there are 'holes'"? No. Are they cured? Some.

If only some people are cured, but not all...if we dont know everything about cancer.....does it still exist? It is 'real' science? Or is it bull**** that scientists are pulling on us for political gain? More research $$? Fame? Something another political party or other religion decided to foist on us for their own agenda?
 
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Lursa said:
LOLOLOLOL

The original theory was proposed by Darwin more than 100 yrs ago. Of course it changes, as we learn more and more.


I cant believe the number of times I read in this thread that people accused 'science' today of 'not agreeing with Darwin.' REALLY? Do we depend on the medical science, chemistry, or physics of 100 yrs ago? Or do we constantly research and experiment and discover MORE about those sciences and those theories?

Darwin's initially proposed theory stands up pretty well today but we know so much more about the mechanisms that evolution works thru....do you really think Darwin could have known all this? What...was he out digging up fossils? Discovering carbon dating? Unraveling DNA? Dissecting the human genome? So of course evolutionary theory has been updated. With each new piece of information scientists evaluate and test and come to new consensus OR reject. Science is not static.
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You can LOLOL all you want to. it still doesn't make a difference that the theory of evolution is imperfect and not always correct.

Darwin's theory stood up so well that they had to reinvent the whole entire process because people were like ummm we can't really prove it even through fossils.

so they changed it to what is now the common ancestor model. even with that model they still have issues with things that they discover not lining up in their theory
so they have to change the theory again.

I am perfectly fine with what is defined as micro evolution. which is basically genetic changes within a species, but that species still remains the same kind or classification.
no one to date has yet to show or prove macro evolution of a species evolving into a completely different species of a totally different classification.

that is why they rejected that idea and went with the common ancestor.

humans have always been humans. apes have always been apes. etc etc etc ...
 
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Kobie said:
This here is, quite literally, word salad.

1/3 seems awfully high, but never underestimate how stupid we as a society are.
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the election of the current occupant of the oval office proves your point beyond any reasonable dispute
 
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TurtleDude said:
the election of the current occupant of the oval office proves your point beyond any reasonable dispute
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Hey let's put a B grade schlock movie actor in office ! That can triple debt!
 
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obvious Child said:
Waste of time. People who actively reject evolution do it for emotional/religious reasons. You cannot reason a person out of a position they did not reason themselves into. Evidence doesn't matter to them.

You MIGHT be able to do the whole "God is the most epic liar of all time if you believe in literal creationism" but that IMO often gets them more angry.
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Exactly. Everyone I've attempted to debate evolution with didn't want to know what it was. In fact, they resisted any attempt whatsoever to learn about evolution for themselves at all, so that by the time the thread inevitably lost momentum and whittled away they'd leave knowing as little as when they began. Hovind put it most succinctly though when he debated a biologist in a public forum: "I'm not here to debate the merits of evolution, but to save souls." The biologist then inexplicably went on to debate the merits of evolution, and I said to my monitor, "Dude, did you not just hear what he said? He's not going to debate the merits of evolution with you!!" The debate ended predictably: the biologist exhausted and frustrated, and Hovind grinning like the cat that just ate the mouse.
 
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ludin said:
I am perfectly fine with what is defined as micro evolution. which is basically genetic changes within a species, but that species still remains the same kind or classification.
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Re-read what you just wrote and really think about this. No, don't immediately respond the instant you've finished reading my post...think: How can a species continue to undergo small genetic changes without those eventually resulting, over a long period of time and over many generations, in large genetic changes?

Think.
 
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Kent Hovind... I implore everyone to find his "dissertation" to his fraudulent university and read it. It is hilarious, but about on par with the abject stupidity of the creationists.
 
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Cardinal said:
Exactly. Everyone I've attempted to debate evolution with didn't want to know what it was. In fact, they resisted any attempt whatsoever to learn about evolution for themselves at all, so that by the time the thread inevitably lost momentum and whittled away they'd leave knowing as little as when they began. Hovind put it most succinctly though when he debated a biologist in a public forum: "I'm not here to debate the merits of evolution, but to save souls." The biologist then inexplicably went on to debate the merits of evolution, and I said to my monitor, "Dude, did you not just hear what he said? He's not going to debate the merits of evolution with you!!" The debate ended predictably: the biologist exhausted and frustrated, and Hovind grinning like the cat that just ate the mouse.
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There use to be this guy on the old yahoo message boards from the Lutheran Missouri synod and claimed to be a "sceintist". When they got called on it after several posts it was hilarious.
 
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It's OK ... one third of evolutin rejects profound ignorance.:lamo:lamo:lamo
 
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winston53660 said:
There use to be this guy on the old yahoo message boards from the Lutheran Missouri synod and claimed to be a "sceintist". When they got called on it after several posts it was hilarious.
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He was probably thinking "i before e except after c" when typed that.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
It's OK ... one third of evolutin rejects profound ignorance.:lamo:lamo:lamo
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If only. With advances in medicine and gradual improvements in the social safety net fewer and fewer Darwin Awards are handed out every year.
 
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Cardinal said:
Re-read what you just wrote and really think about this. No, don't immediately respond the instant you've finished reading my post...think: How can a species continue to undergo small genetic changes without those eventually resulting, over a long period of time, in large genetic changes?

Think.
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You're asking the impossible my friend.
 
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Cardinal said:
If only. With advances in medicine and gradual improvements in the social safety net fewer and fewer Darwin Awards are handed out every year.
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.....which is not evidence of evolution, but of our collective attempt to stop evolution, and create the world as we wish it were. .
 
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beefheart said:
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Kent Hovind... I implore everyone to find his "dissertation" to his fraudulent university and read it. It is hilarious, but about on par with the abject stupidity of the creationists.
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Thank you God for for blessing us all with this amount of hilarity in Kent Hovind.
 
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winston53660 said:
Hey let's put a B grade schlock movie actor in office ! That can triple debt!
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A f*ckin' monkey would have more sense than to do some asshole thing like that...
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Aunt Spiker said:
Right - because the rest of the world undoubtedly believes in evolution. (sarcasm). It's just us retarded Americans who can't get our **** together who are dumb.

For many people - in a large number of religions - it conflicts with religious doctrines or they're not taught any such thing in school (if they have a school at all to attend).

You're acting like knowledge that we teach is some sort of generic info that everyone is aware of. Evolution is a relatively new school of thought in contrast to things like math. And couple that with religious conflicts - it's often not taught at all in school save for 'a theory'

Because - mind you - it is still just a theory.
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This right here is the problem. People don't even understand what the word "theory" means in a scientific context.

And yes, in the context of people in the developed world -- which is to say people who almost universally have access to information -- it really is just us retarded Americans who still have a foot in the 18th century when it comes to science.
 
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TurtleDude said:
the election of the current occupant of the oval office proves your point beyond any reasonable dispute
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Obama's bad, but anyone who voted for GWB needs their head examined.
 
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