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One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

apdst said:
God caused evolution to happen.
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Why didn't God just make all creatures perfect to begin with?

Then evolution wouldn't have been necessary, wouldn't have happened, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

SingleCellOrganism said:
Was it:

A: A product of random accidental chaos (Do you believe order rises from chaos?)

or

B: A product of higher design (Do you believe order rises from higher intelligence?)


Now, you need to apply this same question to EVERY single tiny detail, every symbiotic system and literally EVERYTHING from the smallest cell to the largest star........ as well as every single connecting (and vitally critical) system in-between in our finite little universe comprised of 3 dimensional pixels.

What we know for certain is that "order rising from chaos" of its own accord does NOT happen in anything scientifically observable -> not without preexisting coding to do such (just like a computer program)..... or a plant seed..... or a DNA strand.....


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So that is illogical? Your 'science' relies on imagination. (comedy gold Jerry)
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Repetition does not necessarily produce a logical conclusion. Setting up and restricting the conclusions before one has all the data is not science.
 
Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

SingleCellOrganism said:
"it's not purely random"

Oh yeah? And you have evidence which PROVES this I suppose?

Or are you like most evolutionists, full of conjecture, speculation and wishful thinking masquerading as 'science'?
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How much evidence are you willing to actually look at? You keep talking about logic and evidence and proof, but you certainly don't seem willing to actually look at any arguments presented to you. Is there any reason I should think you're being honest with your questioning?
 
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j-mac said:
So, why then has evolution seemingly stopped for a majority of species on earth?
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It hasn't.
 
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shrubnose said:
Why didn't God just make all creatures perfect to begin with?

Then evolution wouldn't have been necessary, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Have to talk to God about that one. I don't speak for God.
 
Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

SingleCellOrganism said:
Was it:

A: A product of random accidental chaos (Do you believe order rises from chaos?)

or

B: A product of higher design (Do you believe order rises from higher intelligence?)


Now, you need to apply this same question to EVERY single tiny detail, every symbiotic system and literally EVERYTHING from the smallest cell to the largest star........ as well as every single connecting (and vitally critical) system in-between in our finite little universe comprised of 3 dimensional pixels.

What we know for certain is that "order rising from chaos" of its own accord does NOT happen in anything scientifically observable -> not without preexisting coding to do such (just like a computer program)..... or a plant seed..... or a DNA strand.....


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So that is illogical? Your 'science' relies on imagination. (comedy gold Jerry)
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Here is my problem with this. If it is a product of higher design by a higher intelligence, then where did that higher intelligence come from? At some point you don't just start with a higher intelligence, you have to have something from nothing.
 
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Deuce said:
How much evidence are you willing to actually look at? You keep talking about logic and evidence and proof, but you certainly don't seem willing to actually look at any arguments presented to you. Is there any reason I should think you're being honest with your questioning?
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You'll post a wikipedia page as 'evidence' which is really your conjecture.

"Arguments", as you've stated.

"Faith" that your conjecture is correct; all while insinuating that I'm ignorant for not believing the Industrial age 'scientist' Darwin whose book Origin acknowledges there are massive gaps in the fossil record.

Comedy gold.
 
Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

j-mac said:
So, why then has evolution seemingly stopped for a majority of species on earth?
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Who says it has stopped? Evolution is not a process that takes place within one lifetime, for species above the level of bugs, evolution requires years if not centuries to become visible, though genetic analysis can find changes within an organism that are not visible
 
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Deuce said:
It hasn't.
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It appears to have, unless we're in some sort of timeout or coincidentally all species existing now are in the stable period between mutations.
 
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Chaddelamancha said:
Here is my problem with this. If it is a product of higher design by a higher intelligence, then where did that higher intelligence come from? At some point you don't just start with a higher intelligence, you have to have something from nothing.
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The necessarily existing meta-being outside space-time, with no beginning point.

How? I'm not sure. Much like evolution, that being is unobservable, not reproducible and unable to be tested against hypothesis.
 
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Somerville said:
Who says it has stopped? Evolution is not a process that takes place within one lifetime, for species above the level of bugs, evolution requires years if not centuries to become visible, though genetic analysis can find changes within an organism that are not visible
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Are you aware of the university study (over 60 years) where fruit flies were exposed to all manner of environmental changes (including radiation), 50,000 generations.

Zero evolution.

Fruit flies.
 
Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

SingleCellOrganism said:
The necessarily existing meta-being outside space-time, with no beginning point.

How? I'm not sure. Much like evolution, that being is unobservable, not reproducible and unable to be tested against hypothesis.
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So, an "order that rose out of chaos"? Heh. :mrgreen:
 
Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

apdst said:
Have to talk to God about that one. I don't speak for God.
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The question you answered poses a false predicate.

Adaptation (micro evolution) is PERFECTION.
 
Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

SingleCellOrganism said:
You'll post a wikipedia page as 'evidence' which is really your conjecture.

"Arguments", as you've stated.

"Faith" that your conjecture is correct; all while insinuating that I'm ignorant for not believing the Industrial age 'scientist' Darwin whose book Origin acknowledges there are massive gaps in the fossil record.

Comedy gold.
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You've claimed there are no transitional fossils, and when presented with a list of them you just handwave it away.
You've claimed evolution is based on random chance, but have not presented proof of this.
You've claimed evolution is against the laws of physics, but have not presented proof of this.
You've claimed to have read Darwin's Origin book, yet have posted fundamental errors regarding how evolution functions. (You're completely ignoring selection pressures)
You didn't watch the video I posted regarding the "blind watchmaker" example, despite your claims to be a software engineer.
You seem to believe that evolution research ended a hundred and thirty years ago. You keep talking about evidence, but aren't willing to actually review any of it.
And all the while starting from a belief that is itself based solely on faith. You keep talking about evidence yet are presenting a belief that relies on none.

You seem willing to just handwave anything presented to you as "conjecture." There is no level of evidence that can convince you, so why should I post more? Can you tell me why you're even here?
 
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How long do you think fruit flies have been around? Lots more than 60 years I am betting.
SingleCellOrganism said:
Are you aware of the university study (over 60 years) where fruit flies were exposed to all manner of environmental changes (including radiation), 50,000 generations.

Zero evolution.

Fruit flies.
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Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

SingleCellOrganism said:
The necessarily existing meta-being outside space-time, with no beginning point.

How? I'm not sure. Much like evolution, that being is unobservable, not reproducible and unable to be tested against hypothesis.
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Evolution is observable and testable and people have done both.
 
Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

SingleCellOrganism said:
Are you aware of the university study (over 60 years) where fruit flies were exposed to all manner of environmental changes (including radiation), 50,000 generations.

Zero evolution.

Fruit flies.
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And there you have a point. We should be able to observe macro evolution in action. Pointing to the fact that there is still at least part of the system we do not yet understand.
 
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clownboy said:
Depends upon the context. Creation (of the universe) is still a subject we're exploring, it's not settled science yet. God is one of the possible initiators.
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If when you say "god" that you mean to include the flying spaghetti one, or Zoroaster or Jesus or rah or Yahweh or Allah, etc., then by all means, I suppose.
 
Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

SingleCellOrganism said:
Are you aware of the university study (over 60 years) where fruit flies were exposed to all manner of environmental changes (including radiation), 50,000 generations.

Zero evolution.

Fruit flies.
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Post proof of this.
 
Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

clownboy said:
And there you have a point. We should be able to observe macro evolution in action. Pointing to the fact that there is still at least part of the system we do not yet understand.
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We have observed macro evolution in action.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
It's not like there aren't holes in the theory of Evolution anyways. Heck that theory has been under revision since Darwin first presented it. So if it's a choice to of putting my faith in a plan that has more holes than Swiss cheese, or in my God, than that's where it will rest. All that being said, I think arguing the point is mute from a religious perspective. If we truly could prove that God created everything, than there would be no reason for faith.
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Theories are subject to change based on new evidence. This is a good thing.

Religion is resistant to change, in spite of glaring evidence to the contrary. This is a bad thing.

Religion still changes though, from time to time. For example, how is that whole "heliocentricity" theory working out for religion?
 
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