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One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

j-mac said:
IMHO, Agent J hits the nail on the head in this....The article is setting up a false dichotomy here...Although it is my own perception, and experience that new generations entering society seem to be dense when it comes to expanded thinking on subjects, recent generations are shallow, and self absorbed in their thinking which I think leads to this conclusion of PEW in the poll.

adpst also made a salient point early on, for those who believe in God. Which is to say that as a believer, God created everything, and also created evolution, as a part and whole of free will.
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One can imagine anything that makes them feel better about trying to 'prove' something that has no science.

Science doesn't require Gods.
 
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Kreton said:
If you believe in a God you don't know Gods processes or exactly how he made man, only that he did.
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..only that you believe that he did.

And therein lies the difference.

Religion is a belief system, plain and simple. Facts are not required.
 
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Morton said:
Wrong. The majority of Xtians do not believe in the literal interpretation of scripture.
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You are mistaken. Polls have shown time and time again that the majority of Christians that regularly attend church, especially evangelicals, take biblical stories literally.

Most Americans take Bible stories literally - Washington Times

40 Percent Of Americans Still Believe In Creationism

Liberal Christians and Mainline Protestants are a minority of Christians in America today. The fact is, once you start to question the validity of the accounts in scripture, most likely you are going to end up Agnostic at best at some point.
 
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BlackAsCoal said:
One can imagine anything that makes them feel better about trying to 'prove' something that has no science.

Science doesn't require Gods.
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Never said it did....But one thing science has perpetually had a problem with explaining is what caused the big bang? Where did it come from?
 
Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

BlackAsCoal said:
One can imagine anything that makes them feel better about trying to 'prove' something that has no science.

Science doesn't require Gods.
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It's not like there aren't holes in the theory of Evolution anyways. Heck that theory has been under revision since Darwin first presented it. So if it's a choice to of putting my faith in a plan that has more holes than Swiss cheese, or in my God, than that's where it will rest. All that being said, I think arguing the point is mute from a religious perspective. If we truly could prove that God created everything, than there would be no reason for faith.
 
Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

BlackAsCoal said:
..only that you believe that he did.

And therein lies the difference.

Religion is a belief system, plain and simple. Facts are not required.
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I dont know what your point is. Did anyone on here try and say that religion was not a belief?
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
You are mistaken. Polls have shown time and time again that the majority of Christians that regularly attend church, especially evangelicals, take biblical stories literally.

Most Americans take Bible stories literally - Washington Times

40 Percent Of Americans Still Believe In Creationism

Liberal Christians and Mainline Protestants are a minority of Christians in America today. The fact is, once you start to question the validity of the accounts in scripture, most likely you are going to end up Agnostic at best at some point.
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Not buyin' it.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
It's not like there aren't holes in the theory of Evolution anyways. Heck that theory has been under revision since Darwin first presented it. So if it's a choice to of putting my faith in a plan that has more holes than Swiss cheese, or in my God, than that's where it will rest. All that being said, I think arguing the point is mute from a religious perspective. If we truly could prove that God created everything, than there would be no reason for faith.
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I agree .. which is why God only exists in the minds of believers.

Science exists for everyone.
 
Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

Dragonfly said:
One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows





Okay - who here rejects evolution?

Show of hands please.


"Republicans" are growing skeptical???? Really?

Like there's growing evidence against evolution?
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So, the war on Religion continues. So what?

The fact is, the liberal elite/liberal progressive doesn't truely believe in evolution either, so where does that leave the point?
 
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Kreton said:
I dont know what your point is. Did anyone on here try and say that religion was not a belief?
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My point is that religion is not science. Facts are not required by religion.
 
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calamity said:
There is a brand of American Christianist which really does make the more humble Christians look bad. It really is not much different than the Muslims who are peaceful being disgraced by the bomb throwers. It's only a matter of degrees. However, the silence of the sane in both religions is deafening.
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Could someone please explain to me how listing both Homosexuality and Beastiality as sins is equating Homosexuality to Beastiality, but Calamity's post here isn't equating disbelieving in evolution to SUICIDE BOMB TERRORISM?

Seriously? "Just a matter of degrees"? It's like saying a person who teases someone for having red hair one day at school and someone who brutally rapes and kills someone are basically the same person, it's just a matter of degree :roll:
 
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j-mac said:
Not buyin' it.
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And you have just demonstrated the attitude so prevalent among some on the right in America that explains why so many of them do not accept the science behind evolution. You are presented with evidence that goes against a preconceived notion your part, and rather than accepting it, you simply respond with "Not buying' it."
 
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Zyphlin said:
Could someone please explain to me how listing both Homosexuality and Beastiality as sins is equating Homosexuality to Beastiality, but Calamity's post here isn't equating disbelieving in evolution to SUICIDE BOMB TERRORISM?

Seriously? "Just a matter of degrees"? It's like saying a person who teases someone for having red hair one day at school and someone who brutally rapes and kills someone are basically the same person, it's just a matter of degree :roll:
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Sure. The Christians who refuse to speak out and criticize Randall Terry and others who stir up the rabidly violent anti-abortionists are no different than the Muslims who stay mum when certain clerics provoke their violent people to blow up a bus terminal.

Regarding evolution...the anger expressed by select group of radical Christians over it being taught in schools is only a few degrees less than the venom shown toward a legal medical procedure.
 
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apdst said:
God caused evolution to happen.
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Which is still evolution.

I agree with you. It's a sure sign of the apocalypse. "Lo, it shall come to pass in the Last Days that rocket88 and apdst will agree on something."
 
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rocket88 said:
Which is still evolution.

I agree with you. It's a sure sign of the apocalypse. "Lo, it shall come to pass in the Last Days that rocket88 and apdst will agree on something."
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Technically that is not evolution. Evolution does not require any supreme being to guide it. A biologist would say that we have adapted to our environment, sub-saharan savanna to be specific, not that we were engineered in anyway like one breeds a better pointing breed.
 
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Kreton said:
Are you just making random comments?
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Are you just asking random questions?

My point is glaringly clear.

What is it that you don't get?
 
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BlackAsCoal said:
Are you just asking random questions?

My point is glaringly clear.

What is it that you don't get?
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Why are you quoting me? I never once stated that religion is not a belief but you keep quoting me to say its not.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Technically that is not evolution. Evolution does not require any supreme being to guide it. A biologist would say that we have adapted to our environment, sub-saharan savanna to be specific, not that we were engineered in anyway like one breeds a better pointing breed.
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I don't pretend to know the mind of God. Did he guide evolution? That might be too strong of a statement. Did He set into motion certain events that He knew would result in evolution? Maybe.

God's "mind" is significantly less finite than our own.
 
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Kreton said:
Why are you quoting me? I never once stated that religion is not a belief but you keep quoting me to say its not.
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"If you believe in a God you don't know Gods processes or exactly how he made man, only that he did."

I responded to your comment by saying that the believer believes that God made man, it doesn't mean that God did, or that there is even such a thing as God.

Your comment suggests the he knows that God did.

I was pointing out the difference between knowledge and belief.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
And you have just demonstrated the attitude so prevalent among some on the right in America that explains why so many of them do not accept the science behind evolution. You are presented with evidence that goes against a preconceived notion your part, and rather than accepting it, you simply respond with "Not buying' it."
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Often what I see is a religious defender of creationism who rejects the theory of evolution argues that TOE lacks conclusive proof. They reject evidence, ignoring the likelihood that since our DNA is over 99% identical to the Bonobo and Chimp we must share a common ancestor, arguing we lack proof, asking that we show them a direct DNA link to this ancestor. Repeatedly they raise the bar like this.

However...these same people will believe every word of their Intelligent Design theory on the flimsiest of evidence. It's maddening.
 
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