• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Northern California counties revive an old idea for a breakaway state

Re: State of Northern CA

Gardener said:
Yep. I'd say pretty much everything south of Roseburg.


I think Ashland is what it is because of the Shakespeare festival and being the place right across the state line that attracts folks from the Bay area.
Click to expand...

That and SOC. I went to SOC after I graduated early from HS and before the service. Party, party, party even though the dorms were still sex segregated.
 
Re: State of Northern CA

clownboy said:
That and SOC. I went to SOC after I graduated early from HS and before the service. Party, party, party even though the dorms were still sex segregated.
Click to expand...

Sounds a lot like Chico State. I didn't go there, but its party scene is legendary.
 
Re: State of Northern CA

ludin said:
which is the problem because the northern half of the state has no say in it and are having to pay for it.
Click to expand...

No, the northern counties are welfare recipients and too stupid to pay their own way, which explains why they think they're paying for other people's welfare
The debate over the State of Jefferson often boils down to a balance sheet. Laufer's tally from the state Department of Finance concluded that California's four northernmost counties take in $20 million or so more per year from Sacramento than they provide.
At a recent Board of Supervisors forum, Tehama County Chief Administrator Bill Goodwin estimated a loss of $5 million in public works funding annually and a 75% drop in education funding were the county to join in, and he hadn't begun to calculate the impact on health and social service programs.
Then there are logistics: What to do about the state prison in Crescent City? Who gets the Caltrans equipment left behind? And what of steep out-of-state tuition Jeffersonians would be forced to pay in California's higher education system?


Northern California counties revive an old idea for a breakaway state - Page 2 - latimes.com
Click to expand...
 
Re: State of Northern CA

Well base on the map below, Northern California will at best be a swing state.

California-Liberal-and-Conservatiove-Precincts-Map.jpg
 
Re: State of Northern CA

clownboy said:
That would make sense. Take Ashland out of the picture and Southern Oregon has a decidely different political leaning than most of the cities in Oregon's north.
Click to expand...

Rural areas are usually more conservative than urban areas.

I don't like the idea. If you let counties leave the state, why not let cities and towns leave the county? Why not let neighborhoods leave a city?

It almost sounds like someone's trying to split the rural places away from the cities to help in the electoral college. I haven't figured it all out yet, but there's no way major parties are completely uninvolved.
 
Re: State of Northern CA

Gardener said:
Sounds a lot like Chico State. I didn't go there, but its party scene is legendary.
Click to expand...

That's because it's a huge teacher's university. :mrgreen:
 
Re: State of Northern CA

reinoe said:
Let them go.
Click to expand...

Kick them out. Let Northern California become a state and take their liberal stupidity with them. Nobody down here in the south wants it.
 
Re: State of Northern CA

As if this one would ever get through this Congress of NO good, both parties..
They could barely agree on a bad budget deal .
 
Re: State of Northern CA

What ever happened to all the bluster from Northeast Colorado on seceding?
When pinned down in a room and forced to answer yes or no, even the most radical TEAts said no to secession .
 
Re: State of Northern CA

NIMBY said:
What ever happened to all the bluster from Northeast Colorado on seceding?
When pinned down in a room and forced to answer yes or no, even the most radical TEAts said no to secession .
Click to expand...

I don't think it went to a vote but it is still out there and being talked about.
 
Re: State of Northern CA

NIMBY said:
What ever happened to all the bluster from Northeast Colorado on seceding?

When pinned down in a room and forced to answer yes or no, even the most radical TEAts said no to secession .
Click to expand...

Caifornia or parts of California won't succeed, but its the fault of a few city Governments and of the current Governor there that this issue was raised in the first place.

Instead of looking to budget tactics that WORK, like what Scott Walker did in Wisconsin, California's doubled down on the stupidity that caused so much of its current debt crisis.

First, Brown tried the old Liberal tactic of thinking everyone in his state and everyone else was as dumb as a box of rocks. He lied about a up and comming "surplus" as he ignored their massive amounts of unfunded Public sector pension and Healthcare liabillities, estimated to be close to 500 Billion.

Then he attacked the wealth creators and the bussineses with increased tax's on the "wealthy" and a program that targeted private sector bussinesss that were struggling to pony up even more in taxes.

He doubled down on the same policies that drove Californian companies yo states like Texas.

Californians who COULD leave DID, and they brought their money and their skills to places like Texas.

In Texas and more specifically Houston, our current economic Boom has even drug in some California based Companies to bid on New Construction.

They will literally send in teams of guys from Cali to do new build outs ( Construction ) with all of the money going back to California. Of-Course local General Contractors and Construction Companies are getting wise to these tactics and are trying to lock them out.

They made their mess, and now they should be forced to deal with it. Electing Brown was a huge indication that Cali has a Looong way to go and that that state may be the Largest State bankruptcy in our Nations history.

If youv'e got guys like Brown, who are willing to lie about surplus's that don't exist, one can only imagine how truly screwed up that States budget is.
 
Re: State of Northern CA

Worth a try.

The Eureka/Arcata areas in Humboldt County have become sickeningly Liberal because of Humboldt State and so many welfare arrivals. The Mexican Drug Cartel pot growers have moved into a lot of the mountainous areas, upper Klamath, upper Trinity and Garberville areas. Lots of Mexicans have infested that whole area, but without the freebies, they might head South. Definitely worth a try because succession will soon become so popular that it will be harder to do.

The big problem will be that the Liberals have a super majority in both state houses. Liberals tend to resist loss of total control over the lives of decent people.
 
Last edited:
Re: State of Northern CA

I would like to see a South California minus Los Angeles County.

Los Angeles County has been under Mexican occupation for over two decades now, might as well turn the sovereignty of L.A. County over to Mexico.
 
Re: State of Northern CA

APACHERAT said:
I would like to see a South California
minus Los Angeles County.

Los Angeles County has been under Mexican occupation for over two decades now, might as well turn the sovereignty of L.A. County over to Mexico.
Click to expand...

The movie " Elysium" takes a stab at a future portrayal of Los Angeles County.

Basically Tijuahana on steroids with people living in South American style corrugated Shacks and all dependant on the Government with "free healthcare " being dispensed from Los Angelas General Hospital that by now looks like it was caught in a full on war.

All Hispanic of-course.

Its hard to believe such a once beutiful part of America has devolved into what it is today.

Just goes to show how utterly destructive politicians can be.
 
Re: State of Northern CA

Fenton said:
The movie " Elysium" takes a stab at a future portrayal of Los Angeles County.

Basically Tijuahana on steroids with people living in South American style corrugated Shacks and all dependant on the Government with "free healthcare " being dispensed from Los Angelas General Hospital that by now looks like it was caught in a full on war.

All Hispanic of-course.

Its hard to believe such a once beutiful part of America has devolved into what it is today.

Just goes to show how utterly destructive politicians can be.
Click to expand...

Virtually all of our most beautiful cities and coastal areas are gone right now.
 
Re: State of Northern CA

ludin said:
Northern California counties revive an old idea for a breakaway state - latimes.com

That is right. There is a bigger push than ever from the northern counties of CA to succeed.
They have grown tired of the crap coming out of sacremento and want their own state.

This is more difficult than what it seems. it would take a vote from the CA government and a congressional act which
more than likely will fail in the state first.

they are not the only counties in a state wanting to split. counties in CO want the same due to the same reasons.
Click to expand...

I heard an interview with the woman running this movement and she said it was a lot to do with urban vs rural. Northern Cali feels slighted in that they feel policies are geared more to LA and it has poor effect on the farming cultures of Northern CA.

Politically, it would put Texas as the #1 Electoral vote maker but then again, two california's means 4 senators and if North California includes the bay area... that's 3 or 4 liberal senators.
 
Re: State of Northern CA

poweRob said:
I heard an interview with the woman running this movement and she said it was a lot to do with urban vs rural. Northern Cali feels slighted in that they feel policies are geared more to LA and it has poor effect on the farming cultures of Northern CA.

Politically, it would put Texas as the #1 Electoral vote maker but then again, two california's means 4 senators and if North California includes the bay area... that's 3 or 4 liberal senators.
Click to expand...

Northern CA has a lot of farm land and in some instances are major producers of crops for the US. the policies that they are passing down south are affecting how they are able to farm their land making it impossible for them to produce what they have to.

I am having trouble finding an article but it was a huge uproar about it about a year or two ago.

I don't think they are including the bay area I think they want that left out of it. I am not sure. they are trying to get rid of that garbage not invite it.
 
Re: State of Northern CA

ludin said:
Northern CA has a lot of farm land and in some instances are major producers of crops for the US. the policies that they are passing down south are affecting how they are able to farm their land making it impossible for them to produce what they have to.

I am having trouble finding an article but it was a huge uproar about it about a year or two ago.

I don't think they are including the bay area I think they want that left out of it. I am not sure. they are trying to get rid of that garbage not invite it.
Click to expand...

* protip...

People are not garbage.
 
Re: State of Northern CA

disneydude said:
I fully support this. It would mean two more democratic senators. Additionally, California is way under-represented in Washington. Why should a state like Wyoming or Idaho, with less than a million people have the same number of senators as California with 25 million people?
Click to expand...
California has more representatives in the House. The Senate was never meant to represent the people, it was meant to represent the states. That is why originally state legislatures elected Senators. All states of whatever size are meant to be equal.
 
Re: State of Northern CA

I'm confident upstate New York would want to break away from NYC, upper Florida break away from Miami-Dade County, and basically every rural area of every state wanting to break away from every major urban area. There could be 1000 states under the California's group's claims.
 
Re: State of Northern CA

If they break off, return to being a normal state...**** I'd consider a move. Given the people I know from NorCal, I would venture to say it would be a Libertarian type state. Vermont-ish. I'd move there. Awesome climate, great wine, there will be legal guns again, AWESOME surf....who's down?
 
Re: State of Northern CA

ludin said:
umm yes the further north you get in CA the more conservative you get. except for the coastal regions. further south you get SF, LA etc which are the liberal bastions of CA.
Click to expand...

UMMMM No, the further INLAND you go the more conservative the counties become. You seem to not recognize the liberal bastions you cite down south are along the coast. But as has been pointed out, the far fewer people live in the CON Counties (CONs seem unable to grasp a simple fact- people, not square miles, vote. :doh )

There are always areas threatening to break away- as if they legally could, but no matter it gives them something to grind their teeth over. Fact is if Northern California voted only the few inland counties would approve.

Here in Oklahoma we have this same silliness. Every so often some muck raker tries to gain more clout in OKC by threatening to remove the Panhandle counties from the state (Texas' panhandle does the same from time to time) It isn't about CON vs PRO in my state, but the whiners still exist.
 
Re: State of Northern CA

disneydude said:
I fully support this. It would mean two more democratic senators. Additionally, California is way under-represented in Washington. Why should a state like Wyoming or Idaho, with less than a million people have the same number of senators as California with 25 million people?
Click to expand...

I doubt these folks want to break away from California because California isn't Liberal enough for their liking.
 
notquiteright said:
There are always areas threatening to break away- as if they legally could, but no matter it gives them something to grind their teeth over. ... Here in Oklahoma we have this same silliness. Every so often some muck raker tries to gain more clout in OKC by threatening to remove the Panhandle counties from the state.
Click to expand...

I'm confused. Are you suggesting that political subdivisions have no right to divide or separate from their larger entity? Isn't that the whole reason the United States was formed in the first place? I seem to recall that a lack of representation started that whole mess in the 18th century.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom