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Woman fired for Aids Africa tweet. [W:38:54]

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I was unaware that pot smoking nuns faced systematic discrimination...

Do they have to face "systematic discrimination" for it to be insulting to an entire group of people that whom declare themselves Catholic? That you lack the sensitivity to see how that could be wrong makes you no better than the person we are talking about in here. See, you think your nun is funny, and post it regardless of whom it offends, yet rail against a woman that made an off color joke, which btw, I am on record saying I don't think she should have done that, and she got fired, yet you see nothing wrong with your little joke....Telling.
 
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So n****r should be good. Black people call themselves n***a so it's cool right?
The N word has the same origins as the R word. The difference is that our society wants to play the PC game and say one racist term is cool and one is not. I am not disputing the fact that blacks faced enormous amounts of discrimination. Nor am I attempting to trivialize that. I am bringing attention to the fact that our society has deemed it ok to use one racial slur and not another. I grew up in the rural south as well. Many times I can remember doing things as a kid like throwing rocks at dogs, etc and being told by my parents, grandparents, and neighbors "Stop acting like a redneck". It's a derogatory term that has been made ok by idiots like Foxworthy who don't even know what it feels like to work.

Now you are on to something. At its worst, Redneck is a derogatory term for how one conducts themselves. For example, having a flatbed trailer full of beer cans in your front yard is a redneck thing to do. Starting a brush pile burning with a old tire is a redneck thing to do. Adding on to a trailer is a redneck thing to do. Point being they are all actions on the part of the person being called a redneck. It's similar to being called a jackass. The n-word refers to what a person is. No matter what they do or how they conduct themselves, they will still be referred to by a racist with that term. In that way it is similar to derogatory terms of asians or hispanics.
 
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Obviously none of you know the what the term means.

A) Redneck is in reference Irish slaves.

You're stretching. Your source doesn't even say any of that. However:

“Redneck” Origins

Where does the term redneck come from, and is it derogatory? It goes back at least to the 1830s where it pops up in the Carolinas to refer to a farmer that works in the sun. Over time, people like listener Richard Ramirez of Fort Worth, Texas, have taken it as a term of pride, denoting their authenticity and work ethic. The reality series Here Comes Honey Boo Boo has furthered the cause with her call to redneckognize! As always, whether such a term is offensive depends on who’s saying it, and to whom. This is part of a complete episode.

Redneck History and Heritage | Save The Redneck

The Covenanters of 17th century Scotland prescribed to this ideology and are the true founders of the “Redneck” movement. The Covenanters rejected the Church of England as their sanctioned church. In doing so, they also refused to be ruled by bishops which was the conventional method of church government. Many of the self determined Covenanters signed documents with their own blood that rejected episcopacy and demanded a Presbyterian Church government. To show their allegiance in this movement the Covenanters began wearing red pieces of cloth around their necks and were appropriately called “Rednecks.” Out of defiance, the original redneck was born.

Scotland

Although there is no consensus on the exact origin of the term, it is known that Scottish supporters of the Solemn League of Covenant signed the covenant in their own blood and wore red neckerchiefs as a sign of unity and means of identification.

Appalachia

Many Ulster-Scot Presbyterians migrated to America or had sympathizing family in the States, particularly in the Southern Appalachian region and the term redneck was applied to these people as well.

West Virginia

Some etymologists trace the history of the term to the West Virginia coal miners who wore red bandannas around their necks in an attempt to create unity among their comrades in efforts to unionize the mines.

The South

Southern sharecroppers and migrant workers who often exhibited the effects of the sun on their bare necks were frequently called rednecks, and the term began to be applied to all poor, indigent workers.

Virginia

The term may also have its beginning in the 17th century in Virginia because fair-skinned, indentured servants became sunburned while tending plantation crops.


Read more: The History of the Term 'Redneck' | eHow

Note: Quit citing revisionists like John Martin. Your selective cherry picking of where the word comes from is telling. Very telling ;)
 
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You speak of slaps in the face as you proudly display a picture depicting a nun lighting a bong for your avatar? Ironic.

Are you saying nuns can't smoke weed? That's like saying nuns can't take prescription pills.
 
Re: Woman fired for Aids Africa tweet.

How many black/brown people have you met with a red neck?

When I think of a Redneck, I think of a guy with a pick-up truck sporting deer antlers on the grill with red and green Christmas lights on them. The fact (if it is one) that it refers mostly to white people does not make it a racial slur...though I would guess that, depending on what area of the country one lives in and its local customs, it could be seen as one. *shrug*

To me, it's similar to hillbilly . . . a derogatory term when used to be derogatory; endearing when meant to be that; but certainly not a racial slur.
 
Re: Woman fired for Aids Africa tweet.

How many black/brown people have you met with a red neck?

How many white Ivy League educated Liberals would you call rednecks?
 
Re: Woman fired for Aids Africa tweet.

When I think of a Redneck, I think of a guy with a pick-up truck sporting deer antlers on the grill with red and green Christmas lights on them. The fact (if it is one) that it refers mostly to white people does not make it a racial slur...though I would guess that, depending on what area of the country one lives in and its local customs, it could be seen as one. *shrug*

To me, it's similar to hillbilly . . . a derogatory term when used to be derogatory; endearing when meant to be that; but certainly not a racial slur.

This is basically what I consider a redneck. To me, it's a term for a subculture. Would I call a white kid wearing goth makeup a redneck? Nope. Would I call a nerdy skinny white kid a redneck? Nope. When I say "redneck", I picture a white dude driving around while wearing a plaid shirt, a John Deere hat and listening to Hank Williams Jr.
 
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This is basically what I consider a redneck. To me, it's kind a term for subculture. Would I call a white kid wearing goth makeup a redneck? Nope. Would I call a nerdy skinny white kid a redneck? Nope. When I say "redneck", I picture a white dude driving around while wearing a plaid shirt, a John Deere hat and listening to Hank Williams Jr.


Exactly and since redneck cannot be applied to every person of one race, it's not a racial slur. What else is there to argue?
 
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Exactly and since redneck cannot be applied to every person of one race, it's not a racial slur. What else is there to argue?

The problem is feigned outrage. Some right wing American whites are desperate to have their own racial slur. One that conveys the same feelings as nigger, wetback and maybe chink. The problem is that they run into 2 giant problems when they try to get worked up about "redneck" and "cracker". On one hand, these are the same whites that constantly argue that historically these terms have been used for racist purposes. This fails on two grounds, the first one is that "whites" as a collective in America's history is a relatively new term.

1. The Irish and Scots: They haven't been considered "whites" for a large part of US history.
2. Italians: They weren't even considered white until the 1920s. Each region of Italy has their particular epithet and have been singled out on merit.
3. German & Dutch: They were being called "krauts" as recently as the 1940s. Once again to separate them from other whites.

The second ground it fails on is the fact that whites in America have had their own separate struggles. At no point in US history have all whites discriminated against. When I say this, I mean that they haven't been discriminated against as a group. Each group of white immigration has had their own period of discrimination and a none have had the chance of saying it was on grounds of being white. For the most part, White Anglo Saxon Protestants have remained scathed. The Irish, the Scots, the Italians? They each took their turns. The same can't be said for Asians, Blacks & Hispanics. At one point or another, all members of such groups were discriminated against with federal/local laws supporting it.

That said, it's impossible for whites to come up with a collective term meant to discriminate against all whites. They simply haven't had a collective struggle in the US. From the onset, whites were the power holders in the US. Even though that influence has declined today, it's impossible for whites to say they're being oppressed. Most of the government leaders are white. Most of the army leadership remains white. Corporations in the US remain mostly white run. There US simply hasn't had the social dynamic required to create a slur to refer to whites collectively. Sure, some groups of whites face discrimination (Russians, Armenians etc) but there is simply no collective discrimination of whites in the US.

Going back to my initial point, the second problem that some whites who depend on feigned outrage want to have it both ways when it comes to racial history. They proudly claim that nigger can be disassociated from its past because "nobody today owns a slave" and "blacks say it too". Well, that's fine - if we can disassociate it so easily, then I guess the same applies for redneck, right? Only it doesn't. Redneck is a term applied to a specific subculture. Movies are made on the subculture. TV shows are centered around it. Comedians call themselves that without necessarily being white. Is it the same for nigger? Nope. Not at all. The word has a past that stretches beyond a subculture because it has historically been applied to everyone from a black Senator from Chicago to a poor black farmer in Georgia.

In conclusion: People like Marine have reverted back to the failed argument of "redneck" and "cracker" are the same as "nigger", "chink" and "wetback". Only they are not. Historically, redneck and cracker are references to VERY specific groups of whites and this is due to the US' racial history. Just as whites have their own hyphenated groups to refer to each distinctive group of white (Irish-American, Italian-American), they've had their own distinctive epithets ("Dago", "Mick"). Blacks, because of their past have had a single word to refer to them "nigger" and now have a single word to describe themselves "African-American". This isn't to say that words like "Dago" and "Mick" aren't racist, they, without a doubt are. However, words like cracker don't follow as they aren't references to either all people from a region or even every member of a race in that region. Redneck basically is a subculture word. You can be Southern and not be a redneck.
 
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Exactly and since redneck cannot be applied to every person of one race, it's not a racial slur. What else is there to argue?

The other aforementioned racial slur can and has been used against non-blacks, and is allegedly not a racial slur if the user is a certain race. Racial slur sometimes is the argument, don't you agree?
 
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The other aforementioned racial slur can and has been used against non-blacks, and is allegedly not a racial slur if the user is a certain race. Racial slur sometimes is the argument, don't you agree?

Are you saying black people call other races nigger and it's okay because they are black? I'm sorry I don't quite understand what you are saying.
 
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Are you saying black people call other races nigger and it's okay because they are black? I'm sorry I don't quite understand what you are saying.

People of all races who use the word have used it to describe non-blacks also.
 
Re: Woman fired for Aids Africa tweet.

Are you saying nuns can't smoke weed? That's like saying nuns can't take prescription pills.

No, what? How did you get there form here?
 
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No, what? How did you get there form here?

Then what exactly is a slap in the face about a nun smoking weed (his picture)?
 
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Rednecks and people of low income aren't races. Actually, if you knew what they were, rednecks fit well within people of low income. It's actually a slang term for poor southern farmers who happen to white and not white people in general. Your feigned outrage is noted though.

Well I've never heard redneck applied to anyone but a white person.

And I've definitely heard it refer to people with $$....it's more an attitude and lifestyle (which doesnt mean poor).

The way you are trying to justify it by saying it's just for white Southern farmers is exactly the way that people try to justify the N word by saying it only applies to a specific 'group' of blacks.
 
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Rednecks ever had to sit at the back of the bus? Have they ever been enslaved and bought and sold? Have they ever been forced to go to different schools? Have they ever had to use separate water fountains and bathrooms? Have they ever been systematically denied the right to vote?

That is the difference between using the term redneck and the n-word.

So then your claim is that only white people can be racist?

Blacks cannot be? Can Asians?
 
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Well I've never heard redneck applied to anyone but a white person.

Ma'am, may I introduce you to a black redneck:

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Re: Woman fired for Aids Africa tweet.

Rednecks ever had to sit at the back of the bus? Have they ever been enslaved and bought and sold? Have they ever been forced to go to different schools? Have they ever had to use separate water fountains and bathrooms? Have they ever been systematically denied the right to vote?

That is the difference between using the term redneck and the n-word.

Do you think black people were the only group of people that were ever slaves?
 
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I swear, calling "redneck" a "racial slur" is absolutely ridiculous. Jeff Foxworthy sells out shows in the South by having himself and 3 of his closest friends call themselves rednecks for an hour. There are entire TV programs centered around the word "redneck". There are TV shows that thrive off redneck culture. Find me a single black comedian who could do that with nigger and get away with it. When's A&E gonna start shows about called Ghetto Dynasty? Lol. It'll center around the Thompson family. We'll follow Jermaine as he walks through the ghettos in Chicago, sells weed for the Vice Lords and then comes home to make koolaid & ketchup spaghetti.

And blacks can call themselves the N word...and rappers and comedians manage to make very nice livings including when they entertain.
 
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Ma'am, may I introduce you to a black redneck:

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I cant see his neck.

That's pretty offensive, btw....in alot of ways.
 
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And blacks can call themselves the N word...and rappers and comedians manage to make very nice livings including when they entertain.

Are you reading what is being said? Again, call me when they've made a living out of being ghetto and not just pretending to be. Where are the reality shows in the ghetto? They're usually called documentaries. Where are the TV Guides for Shan'iqua? They have them with Honey Boo Boo. Why not Shani'qua? Again, rednecks are a subculture. Just like hoodrats.
 
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How so? Have you ever heard of anyone but a poor white person called a redneck? Do you know the origin of the term?

I know black people who call themselves rednecks
 
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I know black people who call themselves rednecks

If you have a home that is mobile, and 5 cadillacs that aren't, you might be a black redneck.

No? Fine. I'll see myself out.
 
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Are you reading what is being said? Again, call me when they've made a living out of being ghetto and not just pretending to be. Where are the reality shows in the ghetto? They're usually called documentaries. Where are the TV Guides for Shan'iqua? They have them with Honey Boo Boo. Why not Shani'qua? Again, rednecks are a subculture. Just like hoodrats.

Never heard of BET have you?
 
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Well I've never heard redneck applied to anyone but a white person.

And I've definitely heard it refer to people with $$....it's more an attitude and lifestyle (which doesnt mean poor).

The way you are trying to justify it by saying it's just for white Southern farmers is exactly the way that people try to justify the N word by saying it only applies to a specific 'group' of blacks.

The original redneck or the term use to apply to a poor white dirt farmer. Redneck characterized farmers having a red neck caused by sunburn from hours working in the fields. A 1893 definition was poorer inhabitants of the rural districts.

By 1900 rednecks was in common use to designate a political factions inside the Democratic Party comprising poor white farmers in the South.

By the 1970's the term redneck had turned into an offensive slang meaning bigoted, loutish and opposed to modern ways. It became a term to attack southern white conservatives.

But since then Jeff Foxworthy came on the scenes with his redneck jokes and most southerners are once again proud to wear the mantle of redneck. Foxworthy and Larry the Cable Guy are redneck icons down here.
 
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