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'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

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re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

I'm not sure it matters. I find it strange that you do. Phil never picked cotton for life. He maybe did it one season or two, tops. He has no idea what it's like to be a black man/woman tied to the fields. Yet, he has the audacity to claim, "They were happy."
Audacity?
The audacity comes from you questioning his personal experience.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

Are there any blacks or openly gay folks on his show?

Most on his show are family/extended family. A "reality" show is rather limited on its cast. Correlation is not causation. I seriously doubt that Phil Robertson, rather than A&E, decides who is cast on the DD show.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

I'm not sure it matters.

It does if you want to be accurate, and fair to what he was saying.

I find it strange that you do.

I like to be accurate, and fair to what he was saying.

Phil never picked cotton for life.

He never claimed that.

He maybe did it one season or two, tops.

That's your assumption. Do you have proof as to how many seasons he worked in the fields?

He has no idea what it's like to be a black man/woman tied to the fields.

He never said he did, only that which he witnessed among the people he worked along side with during the time he was working with them...

Yet, he has the audacity to claim, "They were happy."

That is what he said he witnessed among the people he knew while working along side them at that time he did....Do you have something to empirically show that wasn't the case?

Why are you projecting your 'white guilt' on him?
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

Poor swamp hick, Phil.

Come on folks. Phil and his kids, nephews...etc. are educated people who like to play like swamp hicks.

Phil Alexander Robertson (born April 24, 1946) is an American professional hunter, businessman (Duck Commander), and reality television star on the popular television series, Duck Dynasty. He is also featured on the television show Buck Commander, a hunting program on the Outdoor Channel.

He attended Louisiana Tech University where he played football (quarterback), but turned down an opportunity to play professionally with the Washington Redskins. He received a master's degree in education and spent several years teaching.

Phil Robertson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Phil's education didn't prevent him from choosing to adopt the religious beliefs, which has lead to his bigoted views on homosexuals and people of color.

Phil was about 18 years old when the Civil Rights Act was passed. He stated that he grew up in a home that lived like they were did in the mid 1800's. He was probably taught by his family his racist views.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

Poor swamp hick, Phil.

Come on folks. Phil and his kids, nephews...etc. are educated people who like to play like swamp hicks.

So what? God bless America that we have people that can find a niche to make money...I know you hate that.

Phil's education didn't prevent him from choosing to adopt the religious beliefs

What are you trying to say? Only uneducated rubes would have faith?

which has lead to his bigoted views on homosexuals and people of color.

You can hate the sin, and love the sinner....

Phil was about 18 years old when the Civil Rights Act was passed.

Ok...So?

He stated that he grew up in a home that lived like they were did in the mid 1800's.

Ok, so you dislike poor people....Or is it that you dislike poor people that have faith?

He was probably taught by his family his racist views.

Yeah? Who taught you your bigoted views?
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

Only satan creates homosexuals. Please, Calamity, get your mythology correct! :roll:

As the story goes: God is too busy creating "normal conceptions"...you know...white ones, who will become educated, make lots of money, gripe about paying too much taxes, and dissing the poor. Don't think for a second that god doesn't know how to make normal conceptions. If you don't believe what I'm saying...ask Phil Robertson.

ROFLMAO!!! Good one!
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

Jesus never claimed to be God. He did however preach of forgiveness and salvation, something not offered in the OT. But, most importantly he commanded that we should not judge others, but love them. He didn't at all, in any way, say that the OT should be followed. He did contradict it--you know, all that stoning and smiting...

Jesus showed whomever listened a better way. Most people still don't get it, especially the so-called Christians.

You can love someone and not agree with their life choices. In fact, the more you love someone the more you care about their life choices.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

And, that doesn't spell out to you that most of the crap written in the OT was written by Thieves and Robbers? It sure does me. It basically says, ignore all that OT crap, follow my message and you'll be fine.

No, Jesus was speaking of those who claimed to be the Jewish Messiah before him were thieves and robbers, not the prophets.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

But God created the homosexual. Did he make men who lust after other men just to torment them? Or is it just another part of the natural order?

God created free will. You can just as easily say that "God created the idolator", but I think you wouldn't then decide that idolatry isn't a sin. The world is filled with things to lust after that the Bible says we shouldn't act on. The world torments us all. Nobody who has ever lived has been free of proscribed desires except for Jesus and his mother Mary. Homosexuals are not unique in this torment.

There are not a lot of choices here.

There is plenty of choice. The world is an abundance of choice. The Bible purports to define what the good choices are.

God is cruel. For surely creating a homosexual and condemning him to hell for committing the sin of doing that which he was created to do would be cruel. Or, God is a trickster, creating a homosexual just to see if the homosexual can resist temptation, perhaps even marrying a woman and faking that he enjoys sexual relations with her. And, lastly, God doesn't really care if a homosexual does his/ her thing or not.

No, a parent that gives their adolescent child clear rules of behavior (drawn from a lifetime of their own trial and error) and then lets them go into the world to make their own choices and mistakes don't love their children any less, nor are they cruel.

Oh..or there simply is no god, at least not quite on the level you all persist seeing one at.

I believe there is a God and that Jesus is the son of God. I have been an atheist in my life and a believer of several different flavors in that time. What brought me back to Christianity in the end was the realization that what Jesus taught 2000 years ago is something that had never been taught before, and never been taught since that time, really. The old Gods and the new Gods are about power, and the whim of power that comes along with it. We as human were always subject to the whim of Gods and rulers who believed themselves to be Gods. The torment on Earth has largely centered on this simple truth.

What we see in the old testament and developing up through the new testament is a God who's power is not channeled towards Earthly desire, but towards a relinquishing of power. Free will is God giving up his power. With the gift of free will we also have been given instruction on what the correct choices are, a cheat sheet for life on Earth. We are told to understand sin and avoid temptations to disobey God's rules, and be good to our fellow man as their lives too are filled with torment. This isn't to say that all Christians succeed in this perfect display of God's power granted us. We have free will, and the existence of free will requires that the wrong choice always be available to us, but many of us -- indeed all of us -- make wrong choices on a daily basis. But that doesn't make the wrong choices right. We could be denied free will if God wanted, but we wouldn't be human at that point. We would be no more than a stone, or a cog in a watch, less than an animal.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

Okay. So you got nothing other than disbelief. Figures.



It is your comprehension skills in question here.
They clearly are unlearned.




This is simple. He did not make any such comparison.
You are willfully ignoring that he was answering a question of a specific time period in his life.

That is not making a comparison.


You are choosing to see that which is not there. That is a product of your own biases.

You're factually incorrect. Then and his is a comparison, the second he said "pre" he was comparing. You are factually incorrect.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

So what? God bless America that we have people that can find a niche to make money...I know you hate that.

What are you trying to say? Only uneducated rubes would have faith?

You can hate the sin, and love the sinner....

Ok...So?



Ok, so you dislike poor people....Or is it that you dislike poor people that have faith?

Yeah? Who taught you your bigoted views?

J-Mac...apparently nobody taught you to recognize satire. My comments are based on those who seem to be as you've accused me to be.

I'm not anti-gay. I'm not a racists. I know what being poor is. However, I've tried to be a charitable person for most of my life. And I'm far from poor today. I earned what I have. But I've never made it through this world alone. We all depend on others in many ways. All is not equal in this world...never has been, nor will it ever be. Until people recognize that...our world will never evolve to a more realistic understanding of the human condition as a whole. And we'll never learn how to truly end disparity.

I've been a fan of the duck for a while. But I think that Phil has made choices that isn't good for himself or his family image on A&E and the Sport's Channel. It wasn't a prudent business decision.

If Phil want's to be a living example of his faith and beliefs...I could care less. He doesn't have to associate or have sex with gay people. His views on the "happiness level" of blacks pre-civil rights...are 1000% incorrect. That belief is insane as believing the holocaust didn't happen during WWII.

Phil has a Masters in Education. He's smart enough to know that what he did by publicly making his personal beliefs known would very likely create a controversy that would come back to bite him in the ass. And I, for one, think that the ridicule that he got was deserved.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

ROFLMAO!!! Good one!

Thanks, Paddy...

I'm glad you caught the satire in my comment. Apparently others take what I posted as somehow related to my personal beliefs, which are quite the opposite.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

Thanks, Paddy...

I'm glad you caught the satire in my comment. Apparently others take what I posted as somehow related to my personal beliefs, which are quite the opposite.

Your "shooting gay ducks" comment was pretty funny too!!

And yeah, Robertson has a good education, at least on paper. His family is rich. They're playing at this backwoods stuff because they're able to.

No problem; they are dishing out entertainment that a lot of people like to watch. But hey - part of being famous is getting jumped on when one says something others find offensive.

And Phil SHOULD be too educated to espouse such views; but even educated people can be bigots. Or at least can say bigoted things, should I say.

But that "he only shoots gay ducks" line was GREAT!

thanks for the laughs; we need more on the forums!
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

It does if you want to be accurate, and fair to what he was saying.



I like to be accurate, and fair to what he was saying.



He never claimed that.



That's your assumption. Do you have proof as to how many seasons he worked in the fields?



He never said he did, only that which he witnessed among the people he worked along side with during the time he was working with them...



That is what he said he witnessed among the people he knew while working along side them at that time he did....Do you have something to empirically show that wasn't the case?

Why are you projecting your 'white guilt' on him?

SO, Blacks picking cotton are in their groove, doing god's work. :roll:

I can't believe you all are actually defending his comment. But...then again, knowing who I am talking to, I guess I should not be surprised.

After all, Blacks gotta know their place. Right?
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

God created free will. You can just as easily say that "God created the idolator", but I think you wouldn't then decide that idolatry isn't a sin. The world is filled with things to lust after that the Bible says we shouldn't act on. The world torments us all. Nobody who has ever lived has been free of proscribed desires except for Jesus and his mother Mary. Homosexuals are not unique in this torment.



There is plenty of choice. The world is an abundance of choice. The Bible purports to define what the good choices are.



No, a parent that gives their adolescent child clear rules of behavior (drawn from a lifetime of their own trial and error) and then lets them go into the world to make their own choices and mistakes don't love their children any less, nor are they cruel.



I believe there is a God and that Jesus is the son of God. I have been an atheist in my life and a believer of several different flavors in that time. What brought me back to Christianity in the end was the realization that what Jesus taught 2000 years ago is something that had never been taught before, and never been taught since that time, really. The old Gods and the new Gods are about power, and the whim of power that comes along with it. We as human were always subject to the whim of Gods and rulers who believed themselves to be Gods. The torment on Earth has largely centered on this simple truth.

What we see in the old testament and developing up through the new testament is a God who's power is not channeled towards Earthly desire, but towards a relinquishing of power. Free will is God giving up his power. With the gift of free will we also have been given instruction on what the correct choices are, a cheat sheet for life on Earth. We are told to understand sin and avoid temptations to disobey God's rules, and be good to our fellow man as their lives too are filled with torment. This isn't to say that all Christians succeed in this perfect display of God's power granted us. We have free will, and the existence of free will requires that the wrong choice always be available to us, but many of us -- indeed all of us -- make wrong choices on a daily basis. But that doesn't make the wrong choices right. We could be denied free will if God wanted, but we wouldn't be human at that point. We would be no more than a stone, or a cog in a watch, less than an animal.
Free Will?

You obviously do not understand homosexuality. Gays are not attracted to those of the opposite sex. Free will is not at play here. A homosexual has but two choices: be celibate or "sin". Why would god put a human being (millions of them, actually) in that position? Choose: no sex or be condemned to hell.

You, Phil and the rest of your ilk, people who are not living with a condition which leaves someone attracted only to those of the same sex, without having any idea of what the hell you are talking about, is disgusting. It's abhorrent, the height of arrogance. Maybe someday you'll find out the hard way just how wrong you and your ilk really are. I hope not, but I suspect being hit over the head by the reality hammer will be the only way you'll learn.

Sad.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

Audacity?
The audacity comes from you questioning his personal experience.

Correct. Phil's personal experience is Blacks are happiest picking cotton. Hallelujah!
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

SO, Blacks picking cotton are in their groove, doing god's work. :roll:

See now you are lying about what I said.

I can't believe you all are actually defending his comment. But...then again, knowing who I am talking to, I guess I should not be surprised.

Personal attack? Nice...You lose.

After all, Blacks gotta know their place. Right?

That is how liberals think....BTW, your entire post to me here is vile trash.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

See now you are lying about what I said.



Personal attack? Nice...You lose.



That is how liberals think....BTW, your entire post to me here is vile trash.

Your the one defending the comment that blacks picking cotton before civil rights were happier than they are today. Why are you running away from what that really means?
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

Your the one defending the comment that blacks picking cotton before civil rights were happier than they are today. Why are you running away from what that really means?

That also is a lie.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

You're factually incorrect. Then and his is a comparison, the second he said "pre" he was comparing. You are factually incorrect.
You are factually incorrect.
He is answering a question. Not making a comparison.

You again are willfully ignoring that he was answering a question of a specific time period in his life.

That is not making a comparison.


You are choosing to see that which is not there. That is a product of your own irrational biased beliefs.


No. He was asked a question about that time period. What do you think "You say" means? He is responding to a question asked. "Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy?"
It is clear that he is answering a question related to a specific time period, and he answered with his personal experience.

Or do you really not understand repeating the question asked back to the person so there is no misunderstanding?

He made no comparison. It was what he was asked.





Correct. Phil's personal experience is Blacks are happiest picking cotton. Hallelujah!
You are continuing with more absurdity?

You really should stop bearing false witness.

He was not speaking of all blacks. And you know that.
So come back to reality, and leave your biased irrational beliefs behind.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

That also is a lie.

So you condemn these remarks by Phil?

"I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once," the reality star said of growing up in pre-Civil-Rights-era Louisiana. "Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash. We're going across the field ... They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, 'I tell you what: These doggone white people' — not a word!"

Robertson continued, "Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues."

Or do you agree with them?
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

So you condemn these remarks by Phil?
Condemn them? WTF for?
They are his personal experience. They are neither racist or prejudicial.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

You are factually incorrect.
He is answering a question. Not making a comparison.

You again are willfully ignoring that he was answering a question of a specific time period in his life.

That is not making a comparison.


You are choosing to see that which is not there. That is a product of your own irrational biased beliefs.


It is clear that he is answering a question related to a specific time period, and he answered with his personal experience.

Or do you really not understand repeating the question asked back to the person so there is no misunderstanding?

He made no comparison. It was what he was asked.





You are continuing with more absurdity?

You really should stop bearing false witness.

He was not speaking of all blacks. And you know that.
So come back to reality, and leave your biased irrational beliefs behind.
Why would he even say he never saw a black mistreated? He's either a "lynching denier" or one of the most ignorant white men on ****ing earth. I don't see Phil as ignorant. So that leaves only one thing: he's like those holocaust deniers, who swear Jews were never killed by Germans because they didn't see anything amiss in their small village.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

You are factually incorrect.
He is answering a question. Not making a comparison.

You again are willfully ignoring that he was answering a question of a specific time period in his life.

That is not making a comparison.


You are choosing to see that which is not there. That is a product of your own irrational biased beliefs.


It is clear that he is answering a question related to a specific time period, and he answered with his personal experience.

Or do you really not understand repeating the question asked back to the person so there is no misunderstanding?

He made no comparison. It was what he was asked.





You are continuing with more absurdity?

You really should stop bearing false witness.

He was not speaking of all blacks. And you know that.
So come back to reality, and leave your biased irrational beliefs behind.

Doesn't matter what he was asked, he answered. He made a comparison. Pre: happier. Post: not as happy. A comparison. You can't change the facts.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

Condemn them? WTF for?
They are his personal experience. They are neither racist or prejudicial.

Right, according to him Blacks were whistling ****ing Dixie in the fields. :roll:
 
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