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'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

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Boo Radley said:
I felt that way about Jacksonville since I left in 70s. But you describe the place I grew up in. Today I speak to students about busing every MLK day here. I actually have a story some enjoy.

But I think the point is blacks were not happier.
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Blacks in general were certainly not and anyone that thinks there was not significant problems would be a fool. But in the context that this is all being discussed...Robertsons comments were not that there were no racial conflict or strife...merely that where he was he didnt see it. Thats realistic. Hell, you can talk to people in inner cities today and their perspective will be radically different from others.
 
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SheWolf said:
Yeah, I don't get it coming from apdst…. My post was unPC, but to call white people rednecks isn't bigoted. I mean, WTF, lots of white people call themselves rednecks.
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You get how silly that comment is, right?
 
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mac said:
But you seem to think that the outrage over one in the absence of another is a wrong....at leas that's what I gathered from your post. No-one defends all injustice equally....not even governments. There just isn't time.
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I find it hypocritical when an individual is outraged over one person receiving a consequence for his actions, while having been outraged by basically the same actions of other people, and insisting that they receive the same consequence they find unacceptable when applied to someone they agree with. :shrug:
 
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TheNextEra said:
It all depends on their contract. IIRC A&E holds the name of "Duck Dynasty" which is pretty much their identfying brand. While they may be free to go to another station and show, there may also be other factors as contracted time, etc that they may have signed.

It isn't impossible for them to have signed such a contract, nor is it impossible this whole thing has been staged to increase public viewing. All of it is really speculation though as noone is showing the contract they signed. It's almost a gurantee that there is a contract of some sorts because A&E and the Robertson's are not stupid enough to not do a show without a contract of some sorts.
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Many of those things are for the respective attorneys to hash out....If A&E keeps the series name Duck Dynasty, oh well, maybe they name the show something else, and carry on....:shrug: But saying they can't do something because they have a contract, really means little if someone is willing to absorb the cost of litigation.
 
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DiAnna said:
I find it hypocritical when an individual is outraged over one person receiving a consequence for his actions, while having been outraged by basically the same actions of other people, and insisting that they receive the same consequence they find unacceptable when applied to someone they agree with. :shrug:
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I think it to be very hypocritical too. However if it reaches the point of unfounded slander of an individual, we have laws to deal with that. I am a real big supporter of free speech. Because I find it offensive isn't enough to jump on a bandwagon to have it banned. On the contrary, it should be countered with even more free speech!
 
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vesper said:
I think it to be very hypocritical too. However if it reaches the point of unfounded slander of an individual, we have laws to deal with that. I am a real big supporter of free speech. Because I find it offensive isn't enough to jump on a bandwagon to have it banned. On the contrary, it should be countered with even more free speech!
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In this case, it was.
 
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Kobie said:
In this case, it was.
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Yes Kobie, my goodness it's Christmas Eve and you and I agree. Robertson was asked about his personal beliefs. He shared them. They were met by those who found them "offensive" and wanted to have him "punished"..... "silenced" for speaking his mind. But a huge group of citizens engaged in their Freedom of Speech to show their disdain for bullying another person over their personal beliefs. Yeah, Free Speech won.
 
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calamity said:
What gives you the right to call anyone "sinners"? Taking that authority is mighty arrogant of you. And, you wonder why the rest of us loathe the "Bible Thumpers".

You have no right to call other people sinners. None.
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Bull ****, my Lord says we're ALL sinners. That gives me the right.

And guess what. my Bible said this falling away would happen so there's nothing to surprise me or make me wonder.

We saw it coming. :)
 
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vesper said:
Yes Kobie, my goodness it's Christmas Eve and you and I agree. Robertson was asked about his personal beliefs. He shared them. They were met by those who found them "offensive" and wanted to have him "punished"..... "silenced" for speaking his mind. But a huge group of citizens engaged in their Freedom of Speech to show their disdain for bullying another person over their personal beliefs. Yeah, Free Speech won.
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Not even remotely close to what I meant.
 
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Kobie said:
Not even remotely close to what I meant.
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I knew that Kobie! :lol: But my summary pretty well sums up what did happen and free speech rules the day. Merry Christmas!
 
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j-mac said:
Many of those things are for the respective attorneys to hash out....If A&E keeps the series name Duck Dynasty, oh well, maybe they name the show something else, and carry on....:shrug: But saying they can't do something because they have a contract, really means little if someone is willing to absorb the cost of litigation.
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Well that is true, when I say they can't do something it is using the scenario that they don't want to break any contractual laws. If they choose to put their fortune on the line to fight walking away (possibly with penalties) WITH the name Duck Dynasty that is quite possible. Either way you are correct in that it is all up to lawyers at that point.
 
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vesper said:
Yes Kobie, my goodness it's Christmas Eve and you and I agree. Robertson was asked about his personal beliefs. He shared them. They were met by those who found them "offensive" and wanted to have him "punished"..... "silenced" for speaking his mind. But a huge group of citizens engaged in their Freedom of Speech to show their disdain for bullying another person over their personal beliefs. Yeah, Free Speech won.
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Phil has not lost his Feedom of Speech.

But just as in many places of employment, your off duty behavior can have ramifications. Cry "that is not fair", but Freedom of Speech was never lost in that situation.

Now, what they are faced with is a business decision. Will they lose more business if he stays or goes?
 
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year2late said:
Phil has not lost his Feedom of Speech.

But just as in many places of employment, your off duty behavior can have ramifications. Cry "that is not fair", but Freedom of Speech was never lost in that situation.

Now, what they are faced with is a business decision. Will they lose more business if he stays or goes?
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Obviously if he goes...That's why they've already re instated him.
 
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'Ya know, I think both the Liberals and Conservatives on this board are posting asshattishness here. Let me explain.....

1) OK, Phil Robertson said some outlandish things and A&E suspended him. Conservatives rushed to his defense, and Liberals are smacking him.

2) Flash back to 2002, when Bill Maher had a show on ABC called "Politically Incorrect". He was fired for saying that the terrorists who hit the World Trade Center had guts. That was also outlandish. in this case, Liberals rushed to defend him, while Conservatives smacked him.

Just pointing out that there is a little hypocrisy on both sides of the political divide. Let us not forget that both ABC and A&E are not the government. They are privately owned companies, and their stockholders don't want the kind of controversy people like this generate. In the case of ABC, they wanted political humor, and in the case of A&E, they just wanted a good reality TV show. Neither of these cases is about trampling of first Amendment rights, so please - Both sides - Quit your bull**** astroturf dramas, and let's get down to discussing some real issues. Homeless veterans would be a good start. Do you care more about them, or is it the corporate pablum puke from the mass media that turns you on? I mean, with all the real issues at stake, which include the excesses of both the Obama and Bush administrations, you really want to make this bull**** an issue? Gimme a ****ing break!!
 
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danarhea said:
'Ya know, I think both the Liberals and Conservatives on this board are posting asshattishness here. Let me explain.....

1) OK, Phil Robertson said some outlandish things and A&E suspended him. Conservatives rushed to his defense, and Liberals are smacking him.

2) Flash back to 2002, when Bill Maher had a show on ABC called "Politically Incorrect". He was fired for saying that the terrorists who hit the World Trade Center had guts. That was also outlandish. in this case, Liberals rushed to defend him, while Conservatives smacked him.

Just pointing out that there is a little hypocrisy on both sides of the political divide. Let us not forget that both ABC and A&E are not the government. They are privately owned companies, and their stockholders don't want the kind of controversy people like this generate. In the case of ABC, they wanted political humor, and in the case of A&E, they just wanted a good reality TV show. Neither of these cases is about trampling of first Amendment rights, so please - Both sides - Quit your bull**** astroturf dramas, and let's get down to discussing some real issues. Homeless veterans would be a good start. Do you care more about them, or is it the corporate pablum puke from the mass media that turns you on? I mean, with all the real issues at stake, which include the excesses of both the Obama and Bush administrations, you really want to make this bull**** an issue? Gimme a ****ing break!!
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So why are you posting on this thread? Start one on homeless veterans. Heck, start one on modern tent cities - a horrible thing.

You don't want to discuss this? then don't.

(by the way, yes, the terrorists who attacked WTC did have guts, even if we dislike the results. The first responders to 9/11 had even MORE guts though, in my opinion. Want to talk about how they've been short-sheeted in terms of health care? great. Start a thread!)
 
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paddymcdougall said:
So why are you posting on this thread? Start one on homeless veterans. Heck, start one on modern tent cities - a horrible thing.

You don't want to discuss this? then don't.

(by the way, yes, the terrorists who attacked WTC did have guts, even if we dislike the results. The first responders to 9/11 had even MORE guts though, in my opinion. Want to talk about how they've been short-sheeted in terms of health care? great. Start a thread!)
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No way. What I posted IS related to the thread, in that we are discussing BS, while more important things that actually effect us are being shoved down our throats. Take the NDAA, for instance. While we were debating a bull**** issue like Duck Dynasty, the Senate passed that piece of crap. How many people knew about it? Not many. They were too damn busy debating Duck Dynasty. So what I posted is very germane to the discussion.

To make my response short and to the point, no, I won't shut up. Live with it.
 
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VanceMack said:
Blacks in general were certainly not and anyone that thinks there was not significant problems would be a fool. But in the context that this is all being discussed...Robertsons comments were not that there were no racial conflict or strife...merely that where he was he didnt see it. Thats realistic. Hell, you can talk to people in inner cities today and their perspective will be radically different from others.
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Certainly, which is why he should measure his comments better. Our tiny worlds are often too narrow to guide us much on the bigger picture.
 
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danarhea said:
'Ya know, I think both the Liberals and Conservatives on this board are posting asshattishness here. Let me explain.....

1) OK, Phil Robertson said some outlandish things and A&E suspended him. Conservatives rushed to his defense, and Liberals are smacking him.

2) Flash back to 2002, when Bill Maher had a show on ABC called "Politically Incorrect". He was fired for saying that the terrorists who hit the World Trade Center had guts. That was also outlandish. in this case, Liberals rushed to defend him, while Conservatives smacked him.

Just pointing out that there is a little hypocrisy on both sides of the political divide. Let us not forget that both ABC and A&E are not the government. They are privately owned companies, and their stockholders don't want the kind of controversy people like this generate. In the case of ABC, they wanted political humor, and in the case of A&E, they just wanted a good reality TV show. Neither of these cases is about trampling of first Amendment rights, so please - Both sides - Quit your bull**** astroturf dramas, and let's get down to discussing some real issues. Homeless veterans would be a good start. Do you care more about them, or is it the corporate pablum puke from the mass media that turns you on? I mean, with all the real issues at stake, which include the excesses of both the Obama and Bush administrations, you really want to make this bull**** an issue? Gimme a ****ing break!!
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You know, I get the sniping back and forth. It is fine and expected and part of "the game". My issue is that people are talking about losing "Freedom of Speech". It is just not true.
 
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year2late said:
You know, I get the sniping back and forth. It is fine and expected and part of "the game". My issue is that people are talking about losing "Freedom of Speech". It is just not true.
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Of course it isn't true. A&E is not the friggen' government. LOL.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Certainly, which is why he should measure his comments better. Our tiny worlds are often too narrow to guide us much on the bigger picture.
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The reverse is also true. Being exposed to the "big picture" makes understanding local customs, traditions and attitudes harder. Taking a man from a primitive culture and dropping him in a modern city he would likely survive much longer than taking a man from a big city and dropping him in the wilderness. ;)
 
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WCH said:
Bull ****, my Lord says we're ALL sinners. That gives me the right.
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Only gives you the right to speak for yourself, Bud. You nor your "lord" certainly do not speak for me.

And guess what. my Bible said this falling away would happen so there's nothing to surprise me or make me wonder.

We saw it coming. :)
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Whatever.

Oh, Merry Christmas.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
The reverse is also true. Being exposed to the "big picture" makes understanding local customs, traditions and attitudes harder. Taking a man from a primitive culture and dropping him in a modern city he would likely survive much longer than taking a man from a big city and dropping him in the wilderness. ;)
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Nah, the elite from either could make the transition and thrive. Didn't you see Trading Places?
 
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year2late said:
Phil has not lost his Feedom of Speech.

But just as in many places of employment, your off duty behavior can have ramifications. Cry "that is not fair", but Freedom of Speech was never lost in that situation.

Now, what they are faced with is a business decision. Will they lose more business if he stays or goes?
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Yes an employer has the right to issue ramifications for your off duty behavior but in all fairness those ramifications should not be the result of pressure from outside groups. A&E knew exactly what they were getting in Phil and the family.

No Phil Robertson didn't lose his Freedom of Speech because GLAAD was stopped dead in their tracts from trying to achieve just that by pressuring A&E and the programs sponsors to dump him in retaliation for his remarks which amounts to threatening everyone else what can happen to you if you dare cross the GLAAD. The majority of disgusted citizens over the actions of GLAAD/ and A&E's response to them, used their FREEDOM OF SPEECH and gave GLAAD the worst setback they have received in years. A real victory. These same citizens using their FREEDOM of SPEECH brought A&E to the realization that the one they originally feared repercussions from (GLAAD) was the least of their worries and found out that when it came to loss of revenue they had chose the wrong side. When you have bullying organizations like GLAAD, companies tend to be squeamish in fear of upsetting the "political correct" point of view. But because of Freedom of Speech of many citizens, Robertson and Duck Dynasty are still on at A&E, Cracker Barrel a sponsor of the show bailed under pressure of GLAAD but learned like A&E they chose the wrong side when it comes to revenue and quickly changed their mind to continue to support Duck Dynasty. It's a good day for Free Speech.
 
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