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'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

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X Factor said:
Oh and regarding that whole "consequences don't infringe on free speech" argument, I'm lazy and I'm just going to repost what I posted somewhere else.
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You're still conflating actions of private and state actors.

The STATE cannot infringe on speech.

I am free to boycott as I see fit. I can fire you for your public speech. Neither infringes on your rights. As I am not the state. Congress passed no law.
 
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What if...? said:
You're still conflating actions of private and state actors.

The STATE cannot infringe on speech.

I am free to boycott as I see fit. I can fire you for your public speech. Neither infringes on your rights. As I am not the state. Congress passed no law.
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Really? So as long as a business does it, it cannot violate the Constitution? There are a whole litany of cases that say that's not the case. Can a baker refuse to bake a cake for a same sex marriage? Besides consequences are consequences and you're saying consequences are irrelevant to whether speech is free or not.
 
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X Factor said:
There you're talking about doing something while at work. I'm talking about comments made not during work hours. Say your employer knows you post here, doesn't like what you've said and fires you for it. Still ok with it?
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I already went over this in the OTHER duck thread, if an employer has a clause in the contract you signed dealing with your "morals/conduct", and what you say violates those terms.....your employers has full rights to suspend, fire....whatever.



"The scandal has turned into the kind of tempest network executives feared all along. A&E knew of Robertson's controversial views - expounded in videotaped sermons and elsewhere - before the show premiered in spring 2012, and warned him not to overshare on hot-button topics such as gay rights and race relations, according to a producer familiar with the situation. Phil and other family members also probably signed contracts containing "morals clauses" in which they promised to, among other things, avoid anything that would embarrass or bring shame to A&E or the brand. Such clauses are standard in the entertainment and sports industries."​
 
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calamity said:
Common sense and the Bible do not Jibe. It starts with the silly notion of a flood and all the animals being saved by a man with a boat. It moves on to describing a birth that was conceived free of intercourse; proceeds to a martyr raised from the dead, and ends with the most ridiculous science fiction I've read since writing my own in highschool.
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Wow! Talk about intolerance.
 
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fmw said:
I don't know. I haven't read the contract. Have you?
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No, but my guess is that they can't just jump to another network. Usually, lawyers don't like that sort of thing. Especially in the entertainment industry.

Heck, I had to agree to a non-compete agreement with my employer. Trust me, I'm not making them nearly as much money.
 
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fmw said:
I don't know. I haven't read the contract. Have you?
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Simple solution...They all come out and openly endorse the comments of the father. Suspend one, suspend all.
 
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I believe that A&E wanted Phil, the asshole, Robertson off the show a long time ago and have been looking for a way to do it for a long time.
They allowed him to hang himself in the G Q interview knowing that if they gave him enough metaphorical rope that he would.
Without the asshole in the show it will have a much broader appeal and lose it's controversial identity.
Uncle Si is a naturally funny and self deprecating character and the brothers demonstrate a tight family bond with good natured, tongue in cheek, kidding.
The Phil the asshole, character is always mean spirited and belittling of everyone he encounters, in the story-line, including his grand-kids, his wife and his sons.
A&E has made a wise business decision by suspending Phil the asshole from appearing in any new shows.
The show's continued success depended on it.
 
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rocket88 said:
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So you are speculating based on your own experience signing "non competition" contracts.

but my guess is that they can't just jump to another network.
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Nonsense. People in entertainment do this all the time....Think of the music industry....When Led Zepplin for instance didn't see eye to eye with Atlantic Records anymore after 1974, so they formed their own record label...Contracts are changed, broken, acts move all the time.
 
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This is all Obama's fault . . . Phil was never kicked off A&E when Bush was in office.
 
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j-mac said:
Nonsense. People in entertainment do this all the time....Think of the music industry....When Led Zepplin for instance didn't see eye to eye with Atlantic Records anymore after 1974, so they formed their own record label...Contracts are changed, broken, acts move all the time.
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It all depends on their contract. IIRC A&E holds the name of "Duck Dynasty" which is pretty much their identfying brand. While they may be free to go to another station and show, there may also be other factors as contracted time, etc that they may have signed.

It isn't impossible for them to have signed such a contract, nor is it impossible this whole thing has been staged to increase public viewing. All of it is really speculation though as noone is showing the contract they signed. It's almost a gurantee that there is a contract of some sorts because A&E and the Robertson's are not stupid enough to not do a show without a contract of some sorts.
 
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VanceMack said:
I grew up in Jacksonville and spent most summers in Macon County. How would you describe race relations in Macon County during the 70's?
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I grew up in my early years in Jacksonville. Perhaps you know where Phenix Ave is? I moved to Georgia about 1972. Maybe 73. My memory records a rather violent time in Jacksonville. The family tells a story of us huddling in the living room during a riot, hoping our home would be passed.

What do you remember?
 
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calamity said:
Common sense and the Bible do not Jibe. It starts with the silly notion of a flood and all the animals being saved by a man with a boat. It moves on to describing a birth that was conceived free of intercourse; proceeds to a martyr raised from the dead, and ends with the most ridiculous science fiction I've read since writing my own in highschool.
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Ah, I see.

Then you were lying about the beliefs of 'your God'.

Exactly what I thought.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Face it, the bible is not fact, it is faith. Just like all the other religions out there and that's not a bad thing. You believe it and that's what is important, but it isn't fact. If it were fact, it would be undisputable and unfortunately it isn't undisputable.
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Not for a Godless wretch like you.
 
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SMTA said:
Not for a Godless wretch like you.
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Doesn't make what I said any less true. The bible is not FACT, it is faith. Plain and simple. BTW I am not godless, I'm agnostic. There is a difference, I suggest you learn it and look less foolish.
 
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j-mac said:
So you are speculating based on your own experience signing "non competition" contracts.



Nonsense. People in entertainment do this all the time....Think of the music industry....When Led Zepplin for instance didn't see eye to eye with Atlantic Records anymore after 1974, so they formed their own record label...Contracts are changed, broken, acts move all the time.
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Actually, Zep never really left Atlantic. They had a vanity label, but Swan Song was still manufactured and distributed by Atlantic. They also held all of the cards after putting out 5 records on Atlantic and being the most popular rock act at the time. They renegotiated from a position of power.

Contracts are not broken without a battle. I very much doubt that the Robertson's could just "decide" they wanted to be on a different network without a legal battle. If you want to use the music industry, look into why it took 3 years between "Born to Run" and "Darkness on the Edge of Town" for Bruce Springsteen. Or why Prince changed his name to a symbol. Next time someone does a guest spot, read the liner notes. When it says "so and so appears courtesy of such and such a label" it means that they are under contract with a different label, but the label was nice enough to allow them to make a guest appearance despite the contract.

Have you read the contract, or are you just living in a fantasy?
 
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SMTA said:
Not for a Godless wretch like you.
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I'm not Godless. I believe in the lessons and teachings of the Bible. I also believe in what Jesus said about judging others. You might want to look into that part.
 
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Boo Radley said:
I grew up in my early years in Jacksonville. Perhaps you know where Phenix Ave is? I moved to Georgia about 1972. Maybe 73. My memory records a rather violent time in Jacksonville. The family tells a story of us huddling in the living room during a riot, hoping our home would be passed.

What do you remember?
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Downtown Jacksonville was ugly. Phoenix is, not surprisingly, a few blocks north of MLK Blvd. I got bussed into a downtown school (Butler). I have a 2 inch scar courtesy a kid with a steel pipe.They used to run drills with the coaches and some of the male teachers, sweep the white kids up and lock us into the gym. I was held at gunpoint several times, but mostly it was people from Wolfson HS just ****ing with us. I hear that Wolfson has become one of the best schools in the area due to selective enrollment. I went to Forrest my sophomore year. Decent school back then...they bussed black kids in, played sports with them...didnt have a problem.

Jacksonville is one of the largest cities in the country by area. Parts of the city are great. Other parts...not so much. I lived in Sweetwater. People were living in half finished houses and trailers. As scary as downtown Jacksonville was, I can tell you race was a zero on our givea****ometer where I lived. In Macon...it was all backwoods. My friends dad owned a construction business and made and sold white lightning. We worked for him during the summers and long weekends cleaning sites. I'm sure some folk out there were racist, but there were blacks, whites, and Cubans that worked for him and there was never any static.

I went back to Jacksonville for a conference last year. Sealed it for me. Never have a need or reason to go back.
 
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SheWolf said:
Yeah, I don't get it coming from apdst…. My post was unPC, but to call white people rednecks isn't bigoted. I mean, WTF, lots of white people call themselves rednecks.
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You stepped in it now. Some black folks call themselves "niggers", doesn't mean it's okay or that others can do it. Or so the script goes.
 
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calamity said:
You have "facts" in your religion. Do provide them. This I gotta see.
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You made the assertion that the Bible doesn't distinguish between the supposed sin of eating shellfish and the sin of homosexuality. Your ignorance has been disproven by a quote from the Bible. Open your eyes and you might see.
 
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calamity said:
And, you can't bring yourselves to interpret this teaching to also include those who have different sexual proclivities? After all, "God" made the homosexual desire and want relations with people of the same sex. Are you all saying God screwed up? Or maybe your God is a big meanie who puts such desires in the heads of millions and then severely punishes any who relent to temptation.

I doubt it.

But, what does seem clear to me is that He is saying: don't judge those who are different than you.
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No, you can't. You've already demonstrated you have no clue as to biblical teachings, why continue?
 
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calamity said:
Common sense and the Bible do not Jibe. It starts with the silly notion of a flood and all the animals being saved by a man with a boat. It moves on to describing a birth that was conceived free of intercourse; proceeds to a martyr raised from the dead, and ends with the most ridiculous science fiction I've read since writing my own in highschool.
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You have demonstrated you don't have clue one where it comes to what the Bible says or what it teaches and now you babble on about something you have no knowledge but hate anyway.
 
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rocket88 said:
I'm not Godless. I believe in the lessons and teachings of the Bible. I also believe in what Jesus said about judging others. You might want to look into that part.
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He also said that if you judge, judge justly.
 
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clownboy said:
You have demonstrated you don't have clue one where it comes to what the Bible says or what it teaches and now you babble on about something you have no knowledge but hate anyway.
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Ding, ding, ding!

We have a winner.
 
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clownboy said:
You made the assertion that the Bible doesn't distinguish between the supposed sin of eating shellfish and the sin of homosexuality. Your ignorance has been disproven by a quote from the Bible. Open your eyes and you might see.
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He also cannot see the splinter in another's eye but for the wooden beam in his own.

You can be sure that on his deathbed he will ask God for forgiveness out of fear.
 
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VanceMack said:
Downtown Jacksonville was ugly. Phoenix is, not surprisingly, a few blocks north of MLK Blvd. I got bussed into a downtown school (Butler). I have a 2 inch scar courtesy a kid with a steel pipe.They used to run drills with the coaches and some of the male teachers, sweep the white kids up and lock us into the gym. I was held at gunpoint several times, but mostly it was people from Wolfson HS just ****ing with us. I hear that Wolfson has become one of the best schools in the area due to selective enrollment. I went to Forrest my sophomore year. Decent school back then...they bussed black kids in, played sports with them...didnt have a problem.

Jacksonville is one of the largest cities in the country by area. Parts of the city are great. Other parts...not so much. I lived in Sweetwater. People were living in half finished houses and trailers. As scary as downtown Jacksonville was, I can tell you race was a zero on our givea****ometer where I lived. In Macon...it was all backwoods. My friends dad owned a construction business and made and sold white lightning. We worked for him during the summers and long weekends cleaning sites. I'm sure some folk out there were racist, but there were blacks, whites, and Cubans that worked for him and there was never any static.

I went back to Jacksonville for a conference last year. Sealed it for me. Never have a need or reason to go back.
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I felt that way about Jacksonville since I left in 70s. But you describe the place I grew up in. Today I speak to students about busing every MLK day here. I actually have a story some enjoy.

But I think the point is blacks were not happier.
 
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