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'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

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SouthernDemocrat said:
No, I am saying that most Christians manage to say that because they believe the Bible to be the inerrant word of God, they believe Homosexuality is a sin, yet they don't then go on to compare it to beastality.
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Except that he was comparing all sexual sins to bestiality. I think he is probably right in that there is a connection, but whether you think that is wrong is another story...

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... so wrong.
 
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calamity said:
No one is being fired for "practicing" their religion. They are being fired for verbally attacking a class of people.

Is hiding behind religion the new excuse Christians now use to cover their gay bashing? What stops someone from using religion to bash Jews and Muslims or anyone else not accepting Christ...or is that OK, since its "practicing your religion"?
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Muslims KILL Gays...splain that.

You're doing a pretty ****ing good job of VERBALLY ATTACKING A CLASS OF PEOPLE yourself, Jane.

Bigot...how does it feel?
 
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mac said:
If you punish someone for expressing an opinion, you are violating their first amendment right to free speech. That violation isn't always enforceable through law, though. There is nothing dishonest about that.
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Only if you are the government. Are you the government?
 
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mac said:
You think it's right that they can fire you for practicing your religion?
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He was not practicing his religion, he was talking about his religious beliefs. Those comments had or have the potential to negatively effect the company that was/is paying him.


Companies have all sorts of rules regarding employment. From appearance clauses, moral clauses etc. in the case of on air talent it is generally a standard clause regarding what they do or say in public
 
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mac said:
I didn't say once that they can not fire you. Not once. The closest I said is "doesn't automatically grant them the right to fire you." Which it doesn't, in the sense that companies are always legally protected in doing so.
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That's fine, Mac. I'll accept you didn't mean what your words seemed to mean. Consider my comment directed at others, then; as I said at the time, I wasn't particularly picking on you, your comment just happened to be the one I responded to.
 
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I haven't gone to new threads yet - is anyone defending this woman's right to free speech as vigorously as the Duck Hunter?

Ex-PR exec Justine Sacco apologizes for AIDS in Africa tweet - CNN.com

Are Palin and Fox lining up behind her? is she getting a FB page?

Her tweet was totally offensive but hey - freedom of speech!

Or is it different if you aren't a white male christian?

(My position - she can say it, but she isn't free from the consequences - ie getting fired)
 
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I'm simply amazed at seeing the far right backing a group of hippies.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

WCH said:
Muslims KILL Gays...splain that.

You're doing a pretty ****ing good job of VERBALLY ATTACKING A CLASS OF PEOPLE yourself, Jane.

Bigot...how does it feel?
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Bruce Bawer is an interesting case in point here. He is a gay man who spent much of his writing career attacking American Christians for their opposition to homosexuality. He was so offended by American Christians that he pulled up stakes and moved to Europe where he felt he an his partner would be better treated. It was then that he ran into the Islamist culture in Europe. It forced him to rethink his feelings about Americans and American Christianity. He wrote a book titled WHILE EUROPE SLEPT to document the growing Islamist movement in Europe that is as vocal as evangelical Christians, but is both violent and ignored because it comes from a liberal protected class: Muslims.

In it he has the realization that Jerry Fallwell only objected to him and his partner marrying, the Islamists of Europe wanted to drop a wall on him.
 
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d0gbreath said:
I'm simply amazed at seeing the far right backing a group of hippies.
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But they aren't hippies.

They are millionaires who hate hippies.

I agree they look like hippies.
 
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WCH said:
Muslims KILL Gays...splain that.

You're doing a pretty ****ing good job of VERBALLY ATTACKING A CLASS OF PEOPLE yourself, Jane.

Bigot...how does it feel?
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That's nuts.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

WCH said:
Muslims KILL Gays...splain that.

You're doing a pretty ****ing good job of VERBALLY ATTACKING A CLASS OF PEOPLE yourself, Jane.

Bigot...how does it feel?
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Boo hoo nobody is tolerating my intolerance.
 
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WCH said:
Muslims KILL Gays...splain that.
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Why would I 'splain or defend barbarism?

You're doing a pretty ****ing good job of VERBALLY ATTACKING A CLASS OF PEOPLE yourself, Jane.

Bigot...how does it feel?
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So, suggesting that people are hiding behind their Christian religion to disparage a class of people, like is done to the gays, you see it as "VERBALLY ATTACKING A CLASS OF PEOPLE"? Got it.
 
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paddymcdougall said:
That's fine, Mac. I'll accept you didn't mean what your words seemed to mean. Consider my comment directed at others, then; as I said at the time, I wasn't particularly picking on you, your comment just happened to be the one I responded to.
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What you interpreted my words to mean is your problem.
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
He was not practicing his religion, he was talking about his religious beliefs. Those comments had or have the potential to negatively effect the company that was/is paying him.


Companies have all sorts of rules regarding employment. From appearance clauses, moral clauses etc. in the case of on air talent it is generally a standard clause regarding what they do or say in public
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His religious beliefs, Christianity, actually require him to proselytize. :shrug:
 
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calamity said:
No one is being fired for "practicing" their religion. They are being fired for verbally attacking a class of people.

Is hiding behind religion the new excuse Christians now use to cover their gay bashing? What stops someone from using religion to bash Jews and Muslims or anyone else not accepting Christ...or is that OK, since its "practicing your religion"?
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Actually, talking about what he thinks is a sin is required by his religion. So in doing so, he's practicing his religion.
 
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notquiteright said:
Practicing your religion means not having sex with your identical sex.
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Uhm, yeah, that's part if it...not all of it.
 
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paddymcdougall said:
Only if you are the government. Are you the government?
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That's not true...it's only unconstitutional if the government does it. If it's someone else, it's still censorship....while not illegal, still a violation of a basic human right.
 
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mac said:
His religious beliefs, Christianity, actually require him to proselytize. :shrug:
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So by commenting about gays he was trying to convert gays to Christianity, when many if not most in the US are already Christian?

Since it was an interview it was more of his opinion based on his religion rather then an attempt at proselytism.

Either way it I expect broke the clauses within his contract with A&E
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

mac said:
That's not true...it's only unconstitutional if the government does it. If it's someone else, it's still censorship....while not illegal, still a violation of a basic human right.
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He was not censored, he was and still is able to say what ever he likes. Just like you, or anyone else in the US. He was suspended from his job at A&E over it, but he is still free to speak his mind. Anyone who is going to make comments that will negatively effect their employer will most likely lose their job

A teacher at a Christian school, (in which the school is against gay marriage) who is publically supporting gay marriage is most likely going to lose their job. I do recall that a gay teacher lost his job because he was going to get married (he was a teacher at a catholic school)

I also recall the letter from a CFO ( I believe the story is fake but conservatives loved it) in which he stated all those with Obama bumper stickers were going to be laid off. Free speech is still strong in the US, but it does not mean that you are not going to face consequences for what you say.
 
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mac said:
Actually, talking about what he thinks is a sin is required by his religion. So in doing so, he's practicing his religion.
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If he simply said it was a sin, he'd probably be OK today. It was the rant about homosexuals--you know, the vagina versus the anus part--and, then him adding in that bit about Blacks being happier before civil rights which A&E could not abide.
 
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calamity said:
If he simply said it was a sin, he'd probably be OK today. It was the rant about homosexuals--you know, the vagina versus the anus part--and, then him adding in that bit about Blacks being happier before civil rights which A&E could not abide.
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Bull****.

You have no idea what A&E was thinking.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

calamity said:
If he simply said it was a sin, he'd probably be OK today. It was the rant about homosexuals--you know, the vagina versus the anus part--and, then him adding in that bit about Blacks being happier before civil rights which A&E could not abide.
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I don't have a problem with the vagina versus anus part, that's just stating facts.
 
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ecofarm said:
I don't have a problem with the vagina versus anus part, that's just stating facts.
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It cheapens the human relationship. It's not like I'm married to my wife for only her vagina...so, I can see why it's an insult to say gay people are in a relationship for nothing other than the asshole.
 
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calamity said:
It cheapens the human relationship. It's not like I'm married to my wife for only her vagina...so, I can see why it's an insult to say gay people are in a relationship for nothing other than the asshole.
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No one said vagina or anus was the most important thing. Just that vagina is better and that's a fact.
 
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