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Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage[W:780]

Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

As long as we're going back decades blaming DEM courts, why not do the same on unemployment, which we've extended since Nixon.
See what I mean; every issue goes down this road.
The credit card was good for Bush but not for Obama .
Because the the failure of the SCOTUS precedes the recent courts. The progressive Living Document crap came decades ago.
 
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I celebrate the loss of bigotry where I find it. I also mourn the loss of our constitutional government. Throwing out one to achieve the other is a fool's errand.

good thing that factually isnt happening then, this is why the majority and the ones that see these facts are celebrating.
 
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Yes, the United States absolutely would use military force to ensure it maintained control over its assets.

yep this would happen for sure if that people actually tried
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Attacking my right to decide other peoples' rights for them!

yep thats what people are so upset about, somehow they think they have the right to decide who gets equal rights
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

So we're super authoritarian but the fed doesn't actually do anything to prevent your actions. That's... interesting.

I said the feds cant do anything - I didn't say that they try and are successful at tyranny.

What I'm saying is that when 1,000,000 people say NO or when a person speaking for a state says NO there is nothing the feds can do.

The only reason why the progressive tyrants are successful with their authoritarian and tyrannical bull**** is because many people are passive....
 
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True, interracial marriage is not mentioned in the Constitution, nor is sodomy - both those were not within the federal court's original grant of powers to adjudicate. Marriage and sexual behaviors, that's up to the states according to the constitution. Jim Crow laws are indeed addressed by amendment. And the tenth protects the people from exactly the conditions the feds have misused the 14th to engineer.

The entire Constitution protects the people from the government. Like it or not, the 14th extended that to state governments as well. You can complain about that all you wish, but it is the legal truth.

As for Jim Crow laws being addressed directly by the Constitution, I dare you to show me where exactly that is.
 
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**** the courts....

The courts don't have any damn right circumventing the Bill of Rights (which they have been doing since democrats turned into authoritarian "progressives")...

They do have that right and in fact, that is their duty. They are not circumventing anything. The BoR clearly gives the rights to both the states and the people, not just one. And the 14th ensured that the rights of the individuals trump the "rights" of the states since the state governments are still just governments and the entire point of the Constitution itself is to protect infringement of rights by government.
 
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1.)As far as I'm concerned the government shouldn't be involved in the marriage business. Theoretically they're not considering marriage is nothing more than a contract -
2.)which is what angers me even more about the gays.
3.)There is absolutely nothing stopping them from signing civil contracts...
4.)This whole plight by them is nothing more than a plight of "social acceptance" which is goofy considering no one can force another to accept an idea....
5.) I don't care much for peas, yet you can shove peas down my throat all day and that still wont make me like peas, but at the same time I don't give a **** if others like peas or of others grow peas.... To each his own....

1.) WOW it being a contract is why they are there, they have to protect my contract and im glad they do.
2.) the wording of this sentence tells us so much
3.) 100% false for multipe reasons. Civil contracts other than marriage are factually not equal and many states have banned those too. If you are going to discuss this issue you might want to get "topically" educated because its obvious you are not
4.) this strawman has been destroyed everytime somebody tries it and you answered you own question since acceptance cant be achieved through equal rights its would be doum to try this is why its NOT happening and your strawman fails.
5.) you have proved you DO care

well anyway after you read up on this isse come back and discuss it more
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

But it is. The law is valid until the stay is removed, or the law is ruled unconstitutional by the 10th and if the 10th does not put the ruling on hold for the SCOTUS certiori, or if SCOTUS grants a stay also.



No, that will not occur today.

The law has already been ruled unconstitutional. It is currently unconstitutional until another court rules otherwise. It may go back and forth between the two before it reaches the final decision, but as of right now, it is unconstitutional.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

What I'm saying is that when 1,000,000 people say NO or when a person speaking for a state says NO there is nothing the feds can do.

The only reason why the progressive tyrants are successful with their authoritarian and tyrannical bull**** is because many people are passive....

and you would be factually wrong again
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

The law has already been ruled unconstitutional. It is currently unconstitutional until another court rules otherwise. It may go back and forth between the two before it reaches the final decision, but as of right now, it is unconstitutional.

It is valid and enforceable, as of right now.
 
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And who is going to control that?

You think the federal government could actually get away with giving a state like Utah (for example) the Cuba treatment?

These clowns cant even keep illegal aliens out of the country.... What are they going to do secure the Utah borders?

Not to mention Utah (of all places) does way more for the economy than the federal government does...

Our federal government cant do anything - they just act and idiot politicians obey.

An angry mob could coup this government in a matter of days - that is how inept they are.

Maybe you didn't hear about what happened in Little Rock after the Brown decision. The police and other law enforcement can be used to ensure that court orders/rulings are upheld and followed, when state lawmakers/governors feel stubbornly refuse.

Little Rock School Desegregation (1957)

Not too hard. The federal government has the right and the support to enforce SCOTUS decisions, and they will.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

It is valid and enforceable, as of right now.

It was not valid nor enforceable when the marriages were entered into, nor is it truly valid right now. It is simply that there really isn't any guidance on it at the moment, so they have to wait for the next decision.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

This is the Roberts GOP court.
Preceded by the Rehnquist GOP court.
How do DEM progress--ives get blamed for the courts ? :lamo:lamo

I'm not GOP...

You do realize those who oppose you are not all "GOP"...... **** the GOP...

I despise RINO's as much as I despise progressives... You're all authoritarian nuts who believe they know whats best for their neighbor...
 
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It was not valid nor enforceable when the marriages were entered into, nor is it truly valid right now. It is simply that there really isn't any guidance on it at the moment, so they have to wait for the next decision.

But the law is to not recognize them, so that is why they are not recognizing them.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Absolutely not.

Why not? Because they're a big bunch of cuddly teddy bears?
 
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With that response:
For some, Libertarian is just another name for nothing left to lose .
I'm not GOP...

You do realize those who oppose you are not all "GOP"...... **** the GOP...

I despise RINO's as much as I despise progressives... You're all authoritarian nuts who believe they know whats best for their neighbor...
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

But the law is to not recognize them, so that is why they are not recognizing them.

That is the law that has been deemed invalid.

But just it has already been ruled that a state cannot simply invalidate legal same sex marriages. They can choose not to recognize them, but they cannot void them. And that is what the governor is trying to do. Recognition of those marriages would in fact be part of the decision on its way up now, but it also is easily another legal suit altogether, given the different nature of this. It is similar to what went on with the Prop 8 case. They had somewhat of the same issue.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Maybe you didn't hear about what happened in Little Rock after the Brown decision. The police and other law enforcement can be used to ensure that court orders/rulings are upheld and followed, when state lawmakers/governors feel stubbornly refuse.

Little Rock School Desegregation (1957)

Not too hard. The federal government has the right and the support to enforce SCOTUS decisions, and they will.

No military unit in their right mind would EVER AGAIN back the federal government over the Tenth Amendment....

Sorry but there are no riots happening and there is no civil disobedience here...

Is this the United States or is the the former USSR?

I know progressives want it to be the USSR but sorry to tell these progressives but a bunch of academics and politicians who theorize about what looks good on paper should really see their flaws in reality and in practice...

What are the feds going to do? arrest a governor? an entire legislative body for not adhering to their bull****?

How you think Russia became communist in the first place with Lenin and the Bolsheviks? yeah they said "**** off" - just like I'm saying **** off to them...
 
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Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

That is the law that has been deemed invalid.

But just it has already been ruled that a state cannot simply invalidate legal same sex marriages. They can choose not to recognize them, but they cannot void them. And that is what the governor is trying to do. Recognition of those marriages would in fact be part of the decision on its way up now, but it also is easily another legal suit altogether, given the different nature of this. It is similar to what went on with the Prop 8 case. They had somewhat of the same issue.

But is isn't.

Of course they can, and are.
 
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With that response:
For some, Libertarian is just another name for nothing left to lose .

What the hell does that mean?

Libertarian means for some, something left to protect.

You authoritarians have no respect for liberty - all you want is obedience to your collectivist ideas... Our country wasn't founded to suit one idea.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Much different country.

Less authoritarian and controlling?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

What the hell does that mean?

Libertarian means for some, something left to protect.

You authoritarians have no respect for liberty - all you want is obedience to your collectivist ideas... Our country wasn't founded to suit one idea.


So you seem to think if the majority vote one way on something say llike to deny gay marriage that should be the way it is right?
 
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