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Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage[W:780]

Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Lursa said:
So, what part of the bold didnt you understand when you read it for at least the 2nd time? You even quoted it. The state and the voters pushed for SSM...they ACTED....the federal SCOTUS woud INTERPRET EXISTING precedent in their decision.

The feds didnt try to legalize SSM ANYWHERE. But just like any court, if they take the case they must rule on it.
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How did the state and voters of Utah push for same sex marriage when they approved an amendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman?
 
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Anthony60 said:
How did the state and voters of Utah push for same sex marriage when they approved an amendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman?
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easy because the amendment violated individual rights so it pushed people to act and get other courts to step in. Pretty basic. :shrug:
 
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AGENT J said:
easy because the amendment violated individual rights so it pushed people to act and get other courts to step in. Pretty basic. :shrug:
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Wow, just wow. So, they voted against it, that means they are for it. If they had voted for, that would also mean they are for it. Nothing new with the left. You can not be Bahgdad Bob, he was never this far gone.
 
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Anthony60 said:
1.)Wow, just wow. So, they voted against it, that means they are for it.
2.) If they had voted for, that would also mean they are for it.
3.) Nothing new with the left.
4.) You can not be Bahgdad Bob, he was never this far gone.
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1.) nope never said that one time, didnt even suggest anything so nonsensical. My words were very clear. You asked how they PUSHED for this and i explained it. SInce the voted an amendment that was a violation of individual rights, and that cause people to react and get other courts involved that how the push happened.

Please stay on topic and dont make stuff up it only shows how poor your failed argument is.

2.) ok but you asked how it was pushed, again please stay on topic

3.) im not on the left
4.) not him and nothing i said was gone its all factually accurate.
facts defeat your post again
if you disagree instead of using failed insults simply provide any facts that support you, heck we'll take even one thats accurate, topical and factual.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Anthony60 said:
You're dealing with judges here, they don't care what the rules are. They will rule whatever they want to rule, and figure out how to get there later. Besides, if the Supreme Court rules that way, you're pretty much done.
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This issue will continue to come up to the SCOTUS until it is legal across the US for same sex couples to marry, in every state. Even a single SCOTUS decision against same sex marriage (which isn't likely given the current public sentiment and the mindset of the current Court) would not be viewed as defeat (setback, sure, not defeat).
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Anthony60 said:
And I, too, am waiting for anything factual from you.
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translation: you got nothing as i and other posters have already post facts.

if you disagree simply provide the link/quote of me saying they were for it, it never happened.

Its a fact i never said the lie you claimed.
Its also a fact that this is a civil/equal rights issues just like minority rights, womans rights and interracial marriage.

as always if you disagree simply bring any fact to the table that show prove otherwise, we'll be waiting.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

AGENT J said:
translation: you got nothing as i and other posters have already post facts.

if you disagree simply provide the link/quote of me saying they were for it, it never happened.

Its a fact i never said the lie you claimed.
Its also a fact that this is a civil/equal rights issues just like minority rights, womans rights and interracial marriage.

as always if you disagree simply bring any fact to the table that show prove otherwise, we'll be waiting.
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No, it is your opinion, not a fact. And no need to wait, I've posted all my reasoning, choc full o'logic and facts. So go ahead and have at it. A lot is my opinion, mostly Constitutional issues, but well reasoned. I guess that's the difference, you are posting your opinions, not facts, and feel no need to back them up.

But at this point, it's just banter. I know enough that when someone considers all results to bolster their opinion, there is not much of a point in hitting them with the same argument over and over and expecting a different result.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

AGENT J said:
IMO Its AWESOME that SCOTUS put this on hold. I hope people keep pushing and pushing and pushing all these cases as much as possible to get SCOTUS to make a ruling. And i hope a national ruling and not just one that is narrow.

Doesnt matter to me which people push it, whether its the people for equal rights or the bigots against it as long as many cases as possible are pushed up and up and up.

at this point no matter what little battles are won or lost the writing is on the wall.

Equal rights is coming and its winning, discrimination and or bigotry is losing! Bigots and people against equal rights and kick and stomp their feet all they want but the war is coming to an end and they lost, victory for america and equal rights will be here soon or later.
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While I agree SSM is coming, the longer the SCOTUS waits to rule, the more states will have it, and the more likely it is the SCOTUS will rule in favor of SSM. Yes, sadly, they do get swayed by "popular opinion" to a degree. The other thing is the more states that have it, the more weird cases we get - people moving to a state where they can't divorce, for example - and the more it is apparent that having them legal in some states and not in others isn't working. they need to be legal everywhere.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

AGENT J said:
easy because the amendment violated individual rights so it pushed people to act and get other courts to step in. Pretty basic. :shrug:
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Exactly. If Utah voters hadn't passed the amendment, there wouldn't have been anything to bring to the courts; because they did, people stepped up to defend their rights under the federal constitution, and the case ended up in court and the amendment was overturned.

If they had never voted on it, Utah probably would not (yet) have SSM.
 
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Anthony60 said:
1.)No, it is your opinion, not a fact.
2.) And no need to wait, I've posted all my reasoning, choc full o'logic and facts.
3.) So go ahead and have at it.
4.) A lot is my opinion, mostly Constitutional issues, but well reasoned.
5.) I guess that's the difference, you are posting your opinions, not facts, and feel no need to back them up.
6.) But at this point, it's just banter. I know enough that when someone considers all results to bolster their opinion, there is not much of a point in hitting them with the same argument over and over and expecting a different result.
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translation: you cant, thats what i thought

1.) nope its a fact backed up by laws, rights, court cases and court precedent
2.) and it all failed and there were no facts in it
3.O) we already did and your posts all failed
4.) all of it was concerning the issue being discussed and not only was it opinion some of it was factually wrong
5.) facts and evidence already proved you wrong
6.) translation, you have no facts to support your failed and destroyed arguments. let us know when this changes,

fact is SSM is a civil/equal rights issue, let us know when you have any facts to change that. Like i siad we have facts, laws, rights court cases and cases precedence on out side what do you have on yours besides "nu-huh" please let us know

when you are ready to address the actual topic with accurate, logic and facts we'll be here until then your posts have failed
 
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paddymcdougall said:
While I agree SSM is coming, the longer the SCOTUS waits to rule, the more states will have it, and the more likely it is the SCOTUS will rule in favor of SSM. Yes, sadly, they do get swayed by "popular opinion" to a degree. The other thing is the more states that have it, the more weird cases we get - people moving to a state where they can't divorce, for example - and the more it is apparent that having them legal in some states and not in others isn't working. they need to be legal everywhere.
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correct and this is why i knew the fall of DOMA was huge because it said the ground work for many of those cases. It was a huge stone in the road to equal rights.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

paddymcdougall said:
Exactly. If Utah voters hadn't passed the amendment, there wouldn't have been anything to bring to the courts; because they did, people stepped up to defend their rights under the federal constitution, and the case ended up in court and the amendment was overturned.

If they had never voted on it, Utah probably would not (yet) have SSM.
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yep this is another thign i LOVE

the bigoted and discriminating bannings and moves are actually HELPING establish equal rights, its sweet irony and poetry and its awesome.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

AGENT J said:
translation: you cant, thats what i thought

3.) nope its a not fact backed up by laws, rights, court cases and court precedent
4.) and it all failed and
422.)there were all facts in it
2.O) we already did and your posts did not fail
12.) all of it was concerning the
6.)issue being discussed and not only was it opinion some of it was fanatically wrong
9.) facts and evidence already proved you right
18.) translation, you have facts to support your
2,394.) powerfull and majestic arguments. let us know when this changes,
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See, show me proof that it is an equal rights issue. There is none, Bob, because it is just an opinion. Everyone has the equal right to marry, you just can't change the definition of marriage without proper laws. See? Do you get it? Of course not. But, that's my opinion.
 
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Anthony60 said:
1.) See, show me proof that it is an equal rights issue.
2.)There is none, Bob, because it is just an opinion.
3.) Everyone has the equal right to marry, you just can't change the definition of marriage without proper laws.
4.) See? Do you get it? Of course not.
5.) But, that's my opinion.
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translation you still have ZERO facts that support your destroyed and proven wrong posts so you are deflecting

do not call my bob use my name and do not change my posts

1.) thats easy simply look at the cases that went to the SSCs and youll see they all mention equality.
2.) facts prove this wrong see #1
3.) facts prove this wrong also see #1
4.) yes i understand that facts prove your posts wrong and facts, rights, laws, court cases and court precedent all support me and not the fallacy you posted
5.) yes and facts prove it wrong

i again state and ask fact is SSM is a civil/equal rights issue, let us know when you have any facts to change that. Like i siad we have facts, laws, rights court cases and cases precedence on out side what do you have on yours besides "nu-huh" please let us know

when you are ready to address the actual topic with accurate, logic and facts we'll be here until then your posts have failed, simply post any facts that support you, my guess is you will dodge this request again
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Anthony60 said:
See, show me proof that it is an equal rights issue. There is none, Bob, because it is just an opinion. Everyone has the equal right to marry, you just can't change the definition of marriage without proper laws. See? Do you get it? Of course not. But, that's my opinion.
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Gee, the definition was changed in the sixties to allow interracial marriage. So yeah, courts can change the definition of marriage. As can legislators. As can voters.

What voters CAN'T do is take away someone's rights through the voting process.

Look, you've lost. There is no good reason to deny same sex couples the right to marry. Period. And that means, under the federal constitution, it can't be denied. The SCOTUS has declared marriage a right; you can only deny constitutional rights for a very good reason, and no one has one in this case.

And why am I even bothering to type this?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

AGENT J said:
yep this is another thign i LOVE

the bigoted and discriminating bannings and moves are actually HELPING establish equal rights, its sweet irony and poetry and its awesome.
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Should we send all the bigots thank you cards? maybe with some daisies?
 
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paddymcdougall said:
Should we send all the bigots thank you cards? maybe with some daisies?
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lol that be sweet but see the majority of the ACTUAL bigots would just be in denial, they would either never admit they played a role or wouldnt be smart enough to understand their bigotry help establish equality.

but i do love it, its awesome that the banning are actually helping, hilarious and i wish i could see the look on some of their faces when they realized it.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

I believe that bigotry should be a state's rights issue. :mrgreen:
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

I say let em get married. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg.

Let em experience the joy of a good divorce lawyer like the rest of us.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Captain America said:
I believe that bigotry should be a state's rights issue. :mrgreen:
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lol nice

i never really understood that fallacy argument though and quite a view use it eventhough its factually wrong, seems to me it just a transparant sheet to hide ones bigotry but fails every time.

the vast majoirty of these people when asked if slavery, minority rights, civil rights or interracial marriage should be a states rights issue they say no of course not every time but some how with gay equal rights its magically different.

just dont get how they think that would ever work or fool anybody
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

AGENT J said:
lol nice

i never really understood that fallacy argument though and quite a view use it eventhough its factually wrong, seems to me it just a transparant sheet to hide ones bigotry but fails every time.

the vast majoirty of these people when asked if slavery, minority rights, civil rights or interracial marriage should be a states rights issue they say no of course not every time but some how with gay equal rights its magically different.

just dont get how they think that would ever work or fool anybody
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Ask this guy...



 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

VanceMack said:
Ask this guy...
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theres not a factual answer in either of those clips? do you have a clip with an answer to how one could be stupid enough and topically retarded enough to believe its a states issue?

he actually even admits its a civil rights issue
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

AGENT J said:
theres not a factual answer in either of those clips? do you have a clip with an answer to how one could be stupid enough and topically retarded enough to believe its a states issue?

he actually even admits its a civil rights issue
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Actually we have the words coming right out of the retards mouth...that guy believes it is a states rights issue. What a complete ****ing bigot and moron...right?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

VanceMack said:
1.)Actually we have the words coming right out of the retards mouth...that guy believes it is a states rights issue.
2.) What a complete ****ing bigot and moron...right?
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1.) yes he said that but i asked for legit and factual REASONS lol thank you for pointing out the fact that what i said was accurate and he did NOT say why.
2.) and yes anybody, ANYBODY that believes that (he doesnt any more he learned form his idiocy and mistake) is mentally retarded
and moron when it comes to that topic. They are very topically uneducated and facts prove them wrong.

so again i ask do you have a clip with an answer to how one could be stupid enough and topically retarded enough to believe its a states issue? not simply that they do, I want to know what facts the believe in to make it so.

let me know if you are still confused. lol
 
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