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Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage[W:780]

Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

shrubnose said:
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on this matter, but the only opinion that will really matter in the long run is the opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court when it eventually rules on this.

Does anyone really think that it will deny the right to marry to some people in the USA and grant that same right to others?

I don't believe that will ever happen because it would violate the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment.
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Well, it wouldn't violate the 14th and SCOTUS, who knows how they'll rule or even if they'll finally take the case head on. They're seemingly content with letting the constitution die the death of a thousand cuts as it is. Still over three quarters of the states don't allow gay marriage and of the ones that do it's solely from judicial legislation for the most part. It's a state's issue, the SCOTUS knows it, but is unwilling to say it. So they avoid, avoid, avoid.
 
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disneydude said:
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I lived in Utah for 25 years before moving to California. Never thought that I would see this day. Congratulations Utah.
A great day for Utah and a great day for Freedom loving Americans across this great Country.
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Utah has been dragged, kicking and screaming, into the 21st Century.

I predict that it won't be going back to where it was.
 
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disneydude said:
Loving v. Virginia
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Which recent gay marriage case at the supreme court used Loving in their decision?
 
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disneydude said:
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Current line in Salt Lake City, people waiting to get marriage licenses.
Mayor Ralph Becker said that he will work all night to make sure everyone who wants to get married can take advantage of this ruling.
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Mayor Becker is an awesome man who supports equal rights for all.
 
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disneydude said:
You just demonstrated for all to see that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Sorry....but it isn't worth the time trying to educate you.
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Really? That's it? All you can muster? Not impressed, "counsler". In other words, you have no reply.
 
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disneydude said:
Actually...its both. The USSC recognized marriage as a fundamental right in Loving v. Virginia. It also, however, implicates due process and equal protection as well. Discriminatory state action is not per se Unconstitutional. If the state has a legitimate state interest in the discriminatory treatment, the law will be upheld.
The problem for marriage equality opponents is that they have not been able to frame a legitimate state interest in denying gay people the right to marry.
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Giving same-sex couples the right to marry does not affect opposite-sex couples in any way.
 
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Anthony60;1062693345[B said:
]I find your name calling a bit offensive. People in this country are allowed to have religious beliefs and faiths, not to be diminished by the ignorant, intolerant views of the leftist that feel a need to dump their hate on us
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I find your calling leftists ignorant and intolerant offensive.

Its not the leftists in the USA who are trying to deny gay people the right to get married, its the evangelicals and the Mormons on the right who are doing this intolerant stuff.
 
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shrubnose said:
Its not the leftists in the USA who are trying to deny gay people the right to get married, its the evangelicals and the Mormons on the right who are doing this intolerant stuff.
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Gays can marry in every single state, just the majority of those states do not recognize that marriage.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
because if government had moral authority over you they could dictate your life, how much you eat, you weight. your health, what you drink.
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No, those are not 'moral' issues. Not remotely. You are not using the word correctly.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

shrubnose said:
I find your calling leftists ignorant and intolerant offensive.

Its not the leftists in the USA who are trying to deny gay people the right to get married, its the evangelicals and the Mormons on the right who are doing this intolerant stuff.
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It's the lefists too, They have their own ways. And gay perople could always get married, in every state. Just not to someone the same sex.
 
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Anthony60 said:
All well and good, but I don't like being called a bigot because I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.

And on a different level, it is an atrocious abuse of states rights when a federal judge's single opinion overturns the decision made by the people of that state. I
t's not slavery, no one is being forced to hand their life over to someone else.
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The only person that I see talking about slavery on this thread is you.

The rest of us are talking about marriage.
 
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Anthony60 said:
And does not address marriage in any way. And there's an idea. If you want gay unions to be enshrined in the Constitution as marriage, just amend it. After all, we've done it with citizenship and voting. It's the only sure fire way.
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They dont have to amend anything. Marriage doesnt have to be in the Constitution. This has been explained to you....you just dont like it.

IF the govt (state or fed) provide benefits, privileges, or legal protections for something, like MARRIAGE, then they must do so equally...they cannot discriminate. It's not about marriage, it's about discrimination (from this particular legal point. THere are others).

The govt may not discriminate.
 
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Lursa said:
The govt may not discriminate.
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You are apparently not aware of affirmative action in public schools and public jobs.
 
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scatt said:
Gays can marry in every single state, just the majority of those states do not recognize that marriage.
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Is there a reason that gays are not entitled to the same state benefits, privileges, and legal protections as those recognized for straight couples?
 
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Lursa said:
Is there a reason that gays are not entitled to the same state benefits, privileges, and legal protections as those recognized for straight couples?
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Because the supreme court in the recent gay marriage cases made no argument that they are. And also majority force rule.
 
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Lursa said:
They dont have to amend anything. Marriage doesnt have to be in the Constitution. This has been explained to you....you just dont like it.

IF the govt (state or fed) provide benefits, privileges, or legal protections for something, like MARRIAGE, then they must do so equally...they cannot discriminate. It's not about marriage, it's about discrimination (from this particular legal point. THere are others).

The govt may not discriminate.
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Yes, they can. They just cannot discriminate against protected classes. We offer benefits for state workers that we do not offer to all, we offer the priviledge of driving to some and restrict who gets to drive, and on and on.
 
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Lursa said:
Is there a reason that gays are not entitled to the same state benefits, privileges, and legal protections as those recognized for straight couples?
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They already are, just not with each other.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Lursa said:
They dont have to amend anything. Marriage doesnt have to be in the Constitution. This has been explained to you....you just dont like it.

IF the govt (state or fed) provide benefits, privileges, or legal protections for something, like MARRIAGE, then they must do so equally...they cannot discriminate. It's not about marriage, it's about discrimination (from this particular legal point. THere are others).

The govt may not discriminate.
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Then please explain the need for the 15th and 19th amendments. While you are at it, please explain the need for the 18th (and thus the 21st) amendment since it took no such constitutional action to outlaw hundreds of other recreational drugs nationwide. The nonsense logic that "this is much like that", so therefore "that covers this too" is a very recent trick used by the SCOTUS. It is obvious to all that the 2A right differs greatly among the several states, yet no federal judge has seen fit to "fix" that unequal protection of the law.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Lursa said:
They dont have to amend anything. Marriage doesnt have to be in the Constitution. This has been explained to you....you just dont like it.

IF the govt (state or fed) provide benefits, privileges, or legal protections for something, like MARRIAGE, then they must do so equally...they cannot discriminate. It's not about marriage, it's about discrimination (from this particular legal point. THere are others).

The govt may not discriminate.
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And you don't seem to get it. No state is saying gays can not get married. Anyone can marry someone of the opposite sex. You gay marriage people like to gloss over that part. So they are NOT discriminating, it is the same for all. You want marriage changed.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Lursa said:
Is there a reason that gays are not entitled to the same state benefits, privileges, and legal protections as those recognized for straight couples?
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Perhaps the same reason that beer/alcohol sales are restricted upon the Christian sabbath - tradition of the majority. Surly a constitutional "right" present since 1868 could not have gone unnoticed for such a long time and in nearly every state.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

digsbe said:
For no rational reason? He pretty much writes off the reasons that the majority of voters had when voting and is saying they are not rational. This needs to be appealed and overturned, what a far far far overstepping of judicial rule.
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People can have a multitude of reasons for something, for being against something. How ever if those reasons are found to not be CONSTITUTIONAL the reasons are dismissed. No sense in having a Constitution if the only thing to matter is the will of the people.

THAT is the role of the Judiciary, to find the balance between the two poles. Not always popular and I'm sure it will be appealed.
 
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Scalia was right. This is what happens when sodomy is declared a constitutional right.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

scatt said:
Which recent gay marriage case at the supreme court used Loving in their decision?
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None yet. But ultimately when the issue comes before the Supreme Court, Loving will absolutely play a role.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

shrubnose said:
Mayor Becker is an awesome man who supports equal rights for all.
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Salt Lake City has had a history of very good progressive mayors. One of my favorites was Rocky Anderson.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Anthony60 said:
Really? That's it? All you can muster? Not impressed, "counsler". In other words, you have no reply.
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Nope. Tried to educate you. You simply demonstrated that you aren't willing to learn. Not gonna waste my time on people who refuse to learn. Sorry.
 
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