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Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage[W:780]

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Harshaw said:
Several times I mentioned the Perry case and what Judge Walker said in it. It does not surprise me that you don't know that, as you appear to ignore that which you don't want to hear.

And no, the courts I quoted are not simply saying homosexuals are being discriminated against. The courts are saying, specifically, contrary to what you said, that the state laws prevent them from marrying. It is you who is being dishonest.

Yeah, there's no further point to this. Believe whatever you want; you'll still be wrong. Why it's so important to you to BE wrong, I will never understand.
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Quote the relevant text of the decision.

I never said state laws didn't prevent them from marrying. Numerous times in this very thread I've said the opposite. But I'll do it again, for you, to prove to everyone how big a liar you are.

1 -Homosexuals are being discriminated against regarding the right to marry.
2 -The method chosen to do this is to define marriage as between one man and one woman.

That quote of mine from a different thread you keep parading around? It's a reference to the second line, not the first.

If you keep insisting that I claimed homosexuals aren't being prevented from marrying, proof of your lie is right here. You have all of the clarification that it is possible to give. I'm sorry to have caused you so much confusion, but here is the resolution. You know what I believe.
 
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digsbe said:
For no rational reason? He pretty much writes off the reasons that the majority of voters had when voting and is saying they are not rational. This needs to be appealed and overturned, what a far far far overstepping of judicial rule.
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Okay, tell us how banning SSM rationally relates to a legitimate government interest. Keep in mind, the test is not "did voters have reasons that they consider rational?" The test is whether or not the law rationally related to a legitimate government interest.
 
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sangha said:
What is lacking in intelligence (and bigoted) is your belief that marriage is only between a man and a woman when there are thousands of marriages between people of the same sex.
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You can repeat your bigoted name calling all you want, it's just small and immature.
 
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Lursa said:
It's false that you are affected by SSM? Well done then. as for 'separate but equal' not being Constitutional, well, that is fact and a matter of record.
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Sometimes, it just gets tiresome dealing with you low information voters.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Sometimes, it just gets tiresome dealing with you low information voters.
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The only low-information voter in this dicussion is YOU, Batman.
 
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Anthony60 said:
You can repeat your bigoted name calling all you want, it's just small and immature.
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Your belief that I have called any person a name (as opposed to accurately describing the beliefs you have expressed) is just another example of a bigoted belief, which is both petty and immature.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Sometimes, it just gets tiresome dealing with you low information voters.
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You realize of course, you are just avoiding an answer. You didnt offer anyway that SSM affected you...to your credit...so what *is* the problem?
 
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I have to say that I am in a bit of shock. I would have sworn up and down that Utah would have been one of the last states. I know they are going to appeal, but it is nice to know that there is some semblance of sanity even in places heavily indoctrinated in religious beliefs.
 
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This is already under appeal and they have already asked for a stay.

The biggest problem is that couples are getting married in other states and coming back home and asking for it to be recognized in states have define marriage as between a man and a women which is a violation of the states rights act. Where in another state cannot tell another state how to operate.

This is going to end up back at the SC again under those grounds and they will have to decide something.
 
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Kobie said:
The only low-information voter in this dicussion is YOU, Batman.
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Come on, you can do better that Pew Wee Herman! Ah, maybe you can't.
 
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Lursa said:
You realize of course, you are just avoiding an answer. You didnt offer anyway that SSM affected you...to your credit...so what *is* the problem?
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I'm not avoiding an answer, it's just not relevant. I'm concerned about the feds abusing the Constitution most of all, it doesn't matter how this particular issue affects me personally.
 
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Lonely Eternity said:
I have to say that I am in a bit of shock. I would have sworn up and down that Utah would have been one of the last states. I know they are going to appeal, but it is nice to know that there is some semblance of sanity even in places heavily indoctrinated in religious beliefs.
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I think it was a federal judge that came in and made the decision, not the voters of the State of Utah.
 
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And I am perfectly fine with a federal judge doing his job.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

The Judge, rightly, ruled the Utah ban against Same Sex Marriage unconstitutional because we are not a Greek style Democracy of mob rule. Thus you cannot simply vote to restrict the rights of a minority without showing how granting that minority a right or privilege would impact the rights of others.

There is simply no rational way of demonstrating how allowing same sex couples to marry impacts the rights of anyone else at all. Whether churches recognized those marriages or not is up to them. For example, you can divorce and remarry and the state will recognize your second marriage, yet the Catholic Church will still consider you married to your first spouse and thus living in sin with your second spouse.

Face it social conservatives and religious fundamentalists, just like you have been on the wrong side of history on virtually every social issue concerning individual rights and liberty, you are on the wrong side of this one as well.
 
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Anthony60 said:
I think it was a federal judge that came in and made the decision, not the voters of the State of Utah.
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Doesn't matter. Unconstitutional is unconstitutional. Doesn't matter if 100% of the voters support it.

but it's still surprising that a judge in Utah would make the decision. Utah republicans had previously given this judge high praise when appointed.
 
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Deuce said:
Doesn't matter. Unconstitutional is unconstitutional. Doesn't matter if 100% of the voters support it.

but it's still surprising that a judge in Utah would make the decision. Utah republicans had previously given this judge high praise when appointed.
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It's unconstitutional because it's not within the federal government's power to decide this issue. I haven't even looked up this judge, not sure who appointed him, or who has been praising him.
 
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digsbe said:
Yeah, because turning the 66% of voters that voted to put traditional marriage as the definition of marriage for their state into second class citizens and saying their right to vote and the states ability to define marriage for itself made an "irrational" decision is "cool."

It's not cool, it's sick and such a massive injustice against freedom and human rights. Regardless of your stance on SSM, this is wrong on so many levels.
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So the majority can vote away the rights of the minority?

We cqn just get together and vote that guys like you can't be pharmacists and that's ok with you?
 
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Anthony60 said:
It's unconstitutional because it's not within the federal government's power to decide this issue. I haven't even looked up this judge, not sure who appointed him, or who has been praising him.
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When they CHOSE to get involved by handing out privileges, benefits, and legal protections, it became their business because the federal AND state govt may not discriminate.

IMO it's not about marriage being a right, altho others have made that point here, for you, but that they may not discriminate if they recognize the institution and provide benefits, etc.
 
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Anthony60 said:
It's unconstitutional because it's not within the federal government's power to decide this issue. I haven't even looked up this judge, not sure who appointed him, or who has been praising him.
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It is within the federal governments power, judicial branch, specifically, to decide if a state law violates the US constitution. Do you seriously advocate allowing states to violate the constitution at their sole discretion?

Lets say that Utah instead decided that a blanket gun ban didn't violate the US Constitution. After all, you still have the right to own swords, and those are arms! You don't think the Feds are allowed to step in and smack that one down?
 
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Deuce said:
It is within the federal governments power, judicial branch, specifically, to decide if a state law violates the US constitution. Do you seriously advocate allowing states to violate the constitution at their sole discretion?
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The States are not violating the Constitution, it's federal government that is violating the Constitution, that is the point. Do you seriously advocate the federal government violating the Constitution?

Lets say that Utah instead decided that a blanket gun ban didn't violate the US Constitution. After all, you still have the right to own swords, and those are arms! You don't think the Feds are allowed to step in and smack that one down?
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That is such a poor analogy. The right to bear arms is specifically protected in the Constitution, marriage is not addressed in any way whatsoever.
 
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Lursa said:
When they CHOSE to get involved by handing out privileges, benefits, and legal protections, it became their business because the federal AND state govt may not discriminate.

IMO it's not about marriage being a right, altho others have made that point here, for you, but that they may not discriminate if they recognize the institution and provide benefits, etc.
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Who are "they" and "their"?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Anthony60 said:
Who are "they" and "their"?
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The federal govt...entrusted to upholding the Constitution.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Anthony60 said:
It's unconstitutional because it's not within the federal government's power to decide this issue. I haven't even looked up this judge, not sure who appointed him, or who has been praising him.
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You have heard of the term "Checks and Balances" right? It is well within the judge's power and it is kinda part of his job description to decide that which is and is not constitutional.
 
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I think gays - or even most people of any party (or none at all) actually believe the "governments" recognition of marriage has to do with approval of the concept, when in reality this issue is much larger than that and less social than that...

Someone could marry a chimpanzee movie star and you would figure out how quick its less about recognition of who you marry but more about money, er better yet how much the chimp owes the government.

I suppose those who don't pay taxes will find that as "racist" (in their vocab) while the married couples (who pay taxes) will shoot coffee all over their screens...

It doesn't even matter. Few will ever understand.
 
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If these people want equality under the (tax) law I have no idea why they're getting married.... Oh not only that but what if they get divorced???

Man... Where to begin with that one from a legal perspective.....

Gay marriage is a legal nightmare first off..... Let the lawyers deal with this fiasco.
 
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