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Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage[W:780]

Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

None yet. But ultimately when the issue comes before the Supreme Court, Loving will absolutely play a role.

What are they waiting for?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Scalia was right. This is what happens when sodomy is declared a constitutional right.
You do realize that many heterosexual couples these days enjoy sodomy? Personally I think it's pretty gross, but those women and men that share in the experience say it's only because I never have (and never will).
So I am curious, is it okay to outlaw the sexual acts of heterosexuals or just homosexuals?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

What are they waiting for?

If you don't know how things get to the USSC, then you need to get some education first.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

If you don't know how things get to the USSC, then you need to get some education first.

Calm down.

There were two recent gay marriage cases where they chose to ignore Loving. Why?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

What are they waiting for?

If you understood the way the legal process works you would understand that it takes a while for a case to get to the Supreme Court. Don't worry...it will...and when it does...you aren't going to like the outcome. As Scalia says, the writing is on the wall.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Calm down.

There were two recent gay marriage cases where they chose to ignore Loving. Why?


The Court ALWAYS takes the most narrow approach in deciding cases before them, when at all possible. Do you understand jurisprudence at all?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

If you don't know how things get to the USSC, then you need to get some education first.

It can be frustrating trying to deal with people who aren't educated. Many people come to debate an issue whithout fully understanding the issues involved.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Salt Lake City has had a history of very good progressive mayors. One of my favorites was Rocky Anderson.




What I really like about Mayor Becker is that he didn't just say that gay marriages are OK, he is performing them.

That shows his real commitment to equal rights for all.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

You do realize that many heterosexual couples these days enjoy sodomy? Personally I think it's pretty gross, but those women and men that share in the experience say it's only because I never have (and never will).
So I am curious, is it okay to outlaw the sexual acts of heterosexuals or just homosexuals?

Yes I'm aware of that. I would have no problem outlawing unnatural sexual practices like that, whether committed by homosexuals or heterosexuals.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

It can be frustrating trying to deal with people who aren't educated. Many people come to debate an issue whithout fully understanding the issues involved.

Agreed. See my response directly below this one about an uneducated person.

The Court ALWAYS takes the most narrow approach in deciding cases before them, when at all possible. Do you understand jurisprudence at all?

Except they did not do that in NFIB v. Sebelius. They specifically went out of their way in showing how the individual mandate is not constitutional in terms of the commerce clause.

If you understood the way the legal process works you would understand that it takes a while for a case to get to the Supreme Court. Don't worry...it will...and when it does...you aren't going to like the outcome. As Scalia says, the writing is on the wall.

I support no state regulation banning gay "marriage."
 
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Yes I'm aware of that. I would have no problem outlawing unnatural sexual practices like that, whether committed by homosexuals or heterosexuals.
So you intend on putting the government in the bedrooms of every American? Not very conservative, small government minded, are you?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Because many parents don't consider gay marriage to be a civil rights issue.

And many parents don't consider evolution to be true

Sucks to be them or their child
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

So you intend on putting the government in the bedrooms of every American? Not very conservative, small government minded, are you?

It is quite republican (and democrat) to do.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

What are they waiting for?

Oh, it'll be argued at least. It's part of the kitchen sink approach. Throwing enough spaghetti against the wall that something is bound to stick move.
 
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And many parents don't consider evolution to be true

Sucks to be them or their child

Meh, false equivilence, Got anything significant to add?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Because the supreme court in the recent gay marriage cases made no argument that they are. And also majority force rule.

It did? The decision said they were not entitled to those things?

And I dont understand your last, incomplete sentence.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

And another right winger throws "small govt" under the bus

Republicans are most certainly left-wing so I am not sure what you are attempting to say.

It did? The decision said they were not entitled to those things?

And I dont understand your last, incomplete sentence.

They did no specify that gay marriage is some sort of right that states have to recognize, no.

It was another response to your question. Try and keep up.
 
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Yes, they can. They just cannot discriminate against protected classes. We offer benefits for state workers that we do not offer to all, we offer the priviledge of driving to some and restrict who gets to drive, and on and on.

Agreed. And there are several states in which sexual orientation is a protected class.

They are not yet, at the federal level, but it's probably coming.

OTOH, as has been posted here, this is also gender-based discrimination when it comes to the legal protections. For example, when a woman is dying and the hospital will not let her lesbian partner in to be with her, that has been determined to be gender-based discrimination. As have been some adoption laws.
 
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Then please explain the need for the 15th and 19th amendments. While you are at it, please explain the need for the 18th (and thus the 21st) amendment since it took no such constitutional action to outlaw hundreds of other recreational drugs nationwide. The nonsense logic that "this is much like that", so therefore "that covers this too" is a very recent trick used by the SCOTUS. It is obvious to all that the 2A right differs greatly among the several states, yet no federal judge has seen fit to "fix" that unequal protection of the law.

Sorry, way too much work. If you want answers, please specify the references for each amendment.

And I never said it was all 'correct.' Prohibition wasnt right and IMO neither is criminalizing recreational drugs.

I am stating what I believe AND what some state SCOTUS decisions have been based on: discrimination. (Gun owners are not a protected class, I'm sure you know that. Gays are in some states and gender is federally)
 
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And you don't seem to get it. No state is saying gays can not get married. Anyone can marry someone of the opposite sex. You gay marriage people like to gloss over that part. So they are NOT discriminating, it is the same for all. You want marriage changed.

That's also been covered previously in this discussion. You just keep ignoring it. Sorry, I'm not reposting what other people have written.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Perhaps the same reason that beer/alcohol sales are restricted upon the Christian sabbath - tradition of the majority. Surly a constitutional "right" present since 1868 could not have gone unnoticed for such a long time and in nearly every state.

What group of Americans is being discriminated against there?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

So you intend on putting the government in the bedrooms of every American? Not very conservative, small government minded, are you?

Private acts do not from the law exempt, and no that doesn't mean setting up a police state, anymore than any other law regulating private behavior means setting up a police state. No, I'm not a neocon.

And another right winger throws "small govt" under the bus

Should all private acts be legal, in your opinion?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Yes I'm aware of that. I would have no problem outlawing unnatural sexual practices like that, whether committed by homosexuals or heterosexuals.

What country do you live in?

In America, we have a Constitution that supposedly limits the role of government in people's lives.

Certainly in their bedrooms. I would think you'd approve of sodomy....no unwanted babies produced to be murdered.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

What country do you live in?

In America, we have a Constitution that supposedly limits the role of government in people's lives.

Certainly in their bedrooms. I would think you'd approve of sodomy....no unwanted babies produced to be murdered.

America.

And a Supreme Court that makes up a bunch of other limitations that were never imagined before.

Sodomy, contraception, abortion, all powered by the same mindset which separates sex from its natural end (the creation of new life).
 
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