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Oh no.
MMC, my man, Snowden has not hurt the US as you claimed above. Unless you mean that exposing wrong doing on the part of the NSA and embarrassing them is hurting the US.
One can understand how he feels.....Snowden is doing what he can to hurt the US now. It's not about being a whistleblower.
He is a traitor.....court and be hung? That's where I disagree. Snowden shouldn't even be allowed to see a Court Room.
We either snatch him up and take him out to the desert and let him look at whats coming. His last mealy moments for him to relish. Or we play AT&T and reach out and touch him.
One thing is for sure.....Our US Marshals should have Printed up a Poster for Snowden.
Wanted.....Dead, Just Dead!
Not true Monte.....with what Snowden just got down telling Brazil what he could do for them if they give him amnesty. Puts that all into context. So much for being just a whistleblower.
Damn, MMC, we agree..
Send him to the cell block at Stateville where they send child-rapists .
It does not hurt the US for Snowden to offer to show Brazil how to avoid NSA surveillance of them. I pointed out, at your request, the many ways that the US has hurt Latin America.
Far too many people do not consider what Snowden has done to be treason at all! But obviously far too many would rather see a man who has exposed wrong doing of a government agency hanged than the agency embarrassed and reformed as SOOOOOOO many are calling for!!!!
Oh no.
There's a lot of people in the USA who are fine with the federal government engaging in unlimited spying on their citizens without cause. I bet that number coincides with the number of people who have never read 1984.Oh yes. Perhaps make a public spectacle out of it like they did in the old west when a good old fashioned hanging was party time. I'll sell the whiskey and beer.
He isn't looking to show them how to avoid our surveillance of them Monte.....he is looking to show them what we have on them. Big difference. With Brazil as a BRIC Nation. They have no need of Snowden.....as they Have Russian and China tech to get round most of all we do
Trouble with that is....the strategy comes from a Very old and Wise Strategist and Leader. Sun Tzu, Know they enemy and allies.....Well!
There's a lot of people in the USA who are fine with the federal government engaging in unlimited spying on their citizens without cause. I bet that number coincides with the number of people who have never read 1984.
There's a lot of people in the USA who are fine with the federal government engaging in unlimited spying on their citizens without cause. I bet that number coincides with the number of people who have never read 1984.
In his letter, Snowden, a former NSA contractor, writes, "Today, if you carry a cell phone in Sao Paolo, the NSA can and does keep track of your location: they do this 5 billion times a day to people around the world. When someone in Florianopolis visits a website, the NSA keeps a record of when it happened and what you did there. If a mother in Porto Alegre calls her son to wish him luck on his university exam, NSA can keep that call log for five years or more. They even keep track of who is having an affair or looking at pornography, in case they need to damage their target's reputation.
As the Brazilian president chided the US, without privacy, you have no real democracy. If security trumps privacy **** security, I ain't scared of ****.
If anyone should be convicted of treason and hanged until dead it should be those spying on Americans and those who ordered it.Not guy who revealed that they were spying on the American people.
One can understand how he feels.....Snowden is doing what he can to hurt the US now. It's not about being a whistleblower.
He is a traitor.....court and be hung? That's where I disagree. Snowden shouldn't even be allowed to see a Court Room.
We either snatch him up and take him out to the desert and let him look at whats coming. His last mealy moments for him to relish. Or we play AT&T and reach out and touch him.
One thing is for sure.....Our US Marshals should have Printed up a Poster for Snowden.
Wanted.....Dead, Just Dead!
Come on MMC. Who wouldn't think that a country might spy on foreign diplomats when they are in their country. That's hugely different than this OUT OF CONTROL NSA DRAGNET on the citizens of brazil. Sorry bud, this one pisses me off. I don't care what it takes to stop the NSA. And now they know how I feel, too!
As with all accused of a crime, he's entitled to a fair trial, in which a jury must unanimously vote to convict him before he can be punished.
Assuming any of what I think I know of the case is correct, it is easy to see why some would not want him to have a trial. A trial would be public, and he would have to be given a fair chance to explain himself, and what he did, and why.
Any government agency or individual whose criminal activity would be described among the facts that would come out in Snowden's trial would certainly have good reason not to want that trial to take place.
At least we know whose side you are on.
If you think Brazil only spied on our people in just their country.....then you are deceiving yourself.
Snowden has gone beyond pointing out what the NSA is doing wrong with its own Citizens.....2 wrongs don't make it Right.
MMC, no I'm not deceiving myself, I was only responding to the bolded text in YOUR post above.
And furthermore, if we don't have enough liberty minded people in our own country to back the NSA up, then reinforcements from other countries are welcome, IMO.
That's just it Monte.....we the people can deal with the NSA. For any of their transgressions. Including in making life difficult for them to even go out in public. Including their wives and children.
But what we cannot do.....as the people of the US. Is go and do anything to Brazil or anyone else for their transgressions.