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'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E (W: 742)

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Redress said:
Yeah, if you cannot understand why some one might be upset about being compared to bestiality or terrorists, I think there is a real disconnect.
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Again, why do you continue maintaining a blatantly false position? He did not compare it to bestiality, he pointed out that he viewed both as sins.

Can you actually address that or will you just repeat yourself a third time? Look, feel free to disagree with what he said, just try to be honest about it as well. We can't have an actual conversation about the topic until you do that
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Don't even try this "no one is out to get you" nonsense... These intolerant people are out to degrade and smash anyone who doesn't adhere to their group-think policies...
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That's normal. The problem is you're finding your opinions are shunned.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
I never even implied that, but I certainly can make an argument that this situation is no different than the government getting involved when a baker refuses to bake a gay couple a cake - because this is de facto discrimination.

Sorry, you have like a 6th grade logic....

You obviously believe only some people can be discriminated against.

It's like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson saying blacks cant be racist...
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I would side with the baker I'm this case.

Its his right to refuse business as gender orientation is not a protected class
 
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tacomancer said:
Then they should not be in the public eye
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Bullpuckey. Especially considering IMO a goodly portion of the show's audience feel the same way as Phil. The folks with the butthurt feelings are not the folks who watch the show.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
Again, why do you continue maintaining a blatantly false position? He did not compare it to bestiality, he pointed out that he viewed both as sins.

Can you actually address that or will you just repeat yourself a third time? Look, feel free to disagree with what he said, just try to be honest about it as well. We can't have an actual conversation about the topic until you do that
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My position is based exactly on his words. He chose what to lump together with homosexuals and homosexuality. You can deny it all you want, but it won't change him lumping gays with terrorists, nor homosexuality with bestiality. If you cannot comprehend why that might piss some people off, the issue is not with me.
 
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Your Star said:
A&E has every right to pull him off the air if he says something that the company disagrees with.
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That's true. However, I read the comment, and it seemed to me to be as expression of his personal preference and not a condemnation or attack on gays or anyone else. I can see why A&E might make a statement clarifying that it is not the view of A&E but rather that of the person that made it.

Personally, I have the same preference, but the difference is that I wouldn't have added the part of the statement where he says "Come in guys..." which could be interpreted as trying to impose his personal preference on others (although that would be a HUGE stretch).

I support everyone's right to be with the one they love, and to fulfill and express that love in anyway they feel fit, up to and including marriage. That support doesn't mean that I'm gonna give it a try myself. Sexual attraction and love are ingrained in the individual... it isn't a CHOICE.

Just as the person on this show expressed his attraction and preference.

Suspending him indefinitely was a dramatic overreaction for what was actually said.
 
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ARealConservative said:
not the greatest example. weeks went by before the network acted even though virtually nobody agreed with his position, even among those that watch him.

I suspect the majority that watch this show, agree with the person suspended.
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Martin Bashir quit, he was not fired.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
I don't have a persecution complex, as I'm not a christian. I'm an atheist.

All I've stated is that for some reason discrimination laws are imbalanced, protecting homosexuals more than they protect the religious. If a company fired someone for saying something homosexual people would lose their minds.
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What the hell are you talking about? The religious have a FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT to protect their rights. The reason for discrimination laws is to provide some semblance of protection for gay rights. I think you have media syndrome. You take what you see and hear on the media as representative of what occurs in all of reality. I've known many gay people who have been fired from their jobs for no other reason than they are gay and they live in a state that offers no employment protection based on sexual orientation.

I have to lie at work and cannot be out because I could be fired for no other reason than my sexual orientation.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
That's true. However, I read the comment, and it seemed to me to be as expression of his personal preference and not a condemnation or attack on gays or anyone else. I can see why A&E might make a statement clarifying that it is not the view of A&E but rather that of the person that made it.

Personally, I have the same preference, but the difference is that I wouldn't have added the part of the statement where he says "Come in guys..." which could be interpreted as trying to impose his personal preference on others (although that would be a HUGE stretch).

I support everyone's right to be with the one they love, and to fulfill and express that love in anyway they feel fit, up to and including marriage. That support doesn't mean that I'm gonna give it a try myself. Sexual attraction and love are ingrained in the individual... it isn't a CHOICE.

Just as the person on this show expressed his attraction and preference.

Suspending him indefinitely was a dramatic overreaction for what was actually said.
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Unfortunately the general populace is sensitive and if they are prone to overreact, the network also is pressured to :(
 
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Kreton said:
What I find funny is imagine this same scenario, but instead of a christian getting suspended for anti gay remarks, it was a gay guy getting suspended for saying there is no God and fox suspending him. I wonder how many people who support A&E would support fox? My guess is very few. They'd be pissed he was suspended for stating his beliefs. And along those same lines how many people who think A&E shouldn't have suspended this guy would support the gay guy's comments about God? My guess is they'd say Fox had every right.
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I'd say while sadly they have every right.... They were wrong.

Now, I guess its all relative. If the gay person stated there was no god and blah blah blah ON Fox's channel during THEIR broadcast then Yes they have every right and they are right.

But suspending someone for saying something of your personal belief during an interview not on Fox's channel.... WRONG.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Yeah right - what the hell you call political correctness then?

If this wasn't the case then why the hell are progressives so bent and why the hell did they pull this guy from the show?

Maybe you just cant see reality at face value..

I had a progressive the other day in a different thread portray me as intolerant because I acknowledged that men and woman are different in physiology....

Don't even try this "no one is out to get you" nonsense... These intolerant people are out to degrade and smash anyone who doesn't adhere to their group-think policies...
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Political correctness is tyranny?

You seem to be confused. Tv shows are marketed to the broadest possible base to increase their ratings. When you have someone insult half the country you are cutting into those ratings so A&E took action. This is not "progressive tyranny", its business. This is not the government controlling anything, it is the free market.

What exactly is your problem here?
 
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tacomancer said:
Then they should not be in the public eye
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Unless they have personal beliefs that agree with liberals? (Because people who express personal beliefs that are liberal have rarely EVER been fired)...
 
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ARealConservative said:
It’s all starting to make sense to me now. I’ve always been told people that cheat are more concerned others would cheat on them. Those that lie are quicker to assume things told to them are lies. I think the same thing is happening here. I have never agreed with the need for laws preventing employers from discriminating on anything they want. If you are full blown racist, discriminate based on racism. I just don’t see a systemic problem arising from such a thing any longer. Our society has advanced enough to tolerate all kinds of viewpoints. Liberals seem quick to punish people with opposing views. They must think a systemic problem could come about, and it is easy to see why as they seem to want to punish people strongly for holding different views. You say something they don’t like, they will go for your job and your lively hood. So it is only natural they would seek laws to protect them from others acting exactly like they are prone to act.
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You miss the history behind much of this. IF there had been no laws to curb racism THEN it wouldn't look like much of a problem to you NOW. White Southern Men didn't just one day decide it was ok for a Black guy to sit beside them at a lunch counter, or drink out of the same fountain or it is ok For a white woman to marry a black guy.

LAWS and their ENFORCEMENT got us here, and I don't think we are 'there' yet.

You must not have read a good portion of this thread as numerous examples, some big, some dumber than a sack of rocks, of the Religious Right and their attempts to punish those who don't agree with them.

Geico for showing a pig dating a human, JC Penny for hiring Ellen Degeneras, Proctor and Gamble for using a 'satanic' symbol as it's corporate logo, Home Depot for including SSM couples in their benefit package.....

Seems 'Good' Christian Folks see/hear something they don't like and they are very quick to go for job and lively hood.... :doh
 
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Fiddytree said:
Notice how all I said was "discuss democratic socialism from the perspective of those who prefer democratic socialism" and you reverted to "no." Political correctness at work.

Alexis de Tocqueville explained much of this in Democracy in America. He figured that in democracy, there is a circle of acceptable social discussion, and once one peers beyond it, they face the pressure of the masses to keep quiet, or are shunned.
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I don't even know what the hell you mean by "democratic socialism" - both words have completely different meanings and neither jibe...

You have socialism and democracy...

Using that term is sugar coating socialism and socialism leads to communism and there is no democracy in that....

Try "pseudo-capitalism" that makes way more sense.

There are no socialist democratic governments - at least not in definition.
 
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Caine said:
Unless they have personal beliefs that agree with liberals? (Because people who express personal beliefs that are liberal have rarely EVER been fired)...
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Or conservatives. Depends on the situation. What if someone on trinity broadcasting had supported gay rights.

Or what if the Dixie chicks criticized bush. It goes both ways

Gaico is another example
 
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Mr.Nick said:
I don't even know what the hell you mean by "democratic socialism" - both words have completely different meanings and neither jibe...
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Then you have a lot of reading to do. That is, if you're up to the challenge.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
Unfortunately for your argument, you would be ignoring the generational and contextual shift that has occurred around homosexuality in just the past ten years. And just like interracial marriage, it's going to take time to work through our society and be "generally accepted. And for anyone that rather recognize that reality, as opposed to mount some pointless "culture war" against it, they understand that such actions just help foster and reinforce the resistance against it. In fact, it's why intelligent people tend to disagree with imposing views on democratic societies when cultural shifts are occurring naturally (Ginsburg ala RvsW)




The employer here is responding to organized threats of boycotts, not some random interview

PS also, where did I bring up the whole "intolerance" thing? Respond to what I write, not the pre-digested cud you have sitting around
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I wonder if A&E asked themselves how many of the people that would boycott the show, network or the advertisers every watch the show, the network or would ever buy a product from one for their advertisers.
 
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clownboy said:
Hilarious and a great example of what's being discussed here. Your second sentence is discrimination and hate speech directed against folks you disagree with. Totally at odds with your first sentence. Rank hypocrisy.

As for A&E, purely a financial decision, gotta keep those advo dollars coming in. Now, if ratings drop a bunch because of this move and the advo dollars are threatened that way, Phil will be back PDQ.
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Yes I am talking **** now, do I really care if I offend someone? This issue is not about me being an asshole is it? It is about the Duck man spewing hate speech and then ARealConservative felt people hating on Duck man in retaliation was some kind of equal travesty that exonerates the Duckmaster of any wrongdoing???

The logic some of you display is terrifyingly bizarre. You twist and twist until its hard to even make sense of anything anymore.
 
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Verax said:
Political correctness is tyranny?

You seem to be confused. Tv shows are marketed to the broadest possible base to increase their ratings. When you have someone insult half the country you are cutting into those ratings so A&E took action. This is not "progressive tyranny", its business. This is not the government controlling anything, it is the free market.

What exactly is your problem here?
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TV shows exist to sell advertising...

You think they exist to amuse you?

Why the hell do you think communist nations have only a few TV channels and they're all state run? because businesses have nothing to sell and the concept of advertising doesn't exist...
 
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Redress said:
My position is based exactly on his words. He chose what to lump together with homosexuals and homosexuality.
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Yes, as *sins*. If I point out that both *tax evasion* and *murder* are both *crimes* am I making any real equivocation or comparison between murder and tax evasion, or am I merely pointing out that they both exist in a rather broad catagory titled "crime"?

Do you want to actually address this honestly this time, or will you again evade it? And if you simply want to evade it why even bother replying? It just makes you look dishonest and agenda driven


You can deny it all you want
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Deny what? I'm the one who cited what he actually said, so i can hardly be denying it. The issue here is how you are trying to interpret those remarks

but it won't change him lumping gays with terrorists, nor homosexuality with bestiality.
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See my remarks above that I made for a fourth time. Will you finally address them or simply repeat yourself, mindlessly?

If you cannot comprehend why that might piss some people off, the issue is not with me.
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People get pissed off about all manner of things, that doesn't equate to what they are pissed off about having actual merit, their interpretation of the material being correct, nor serves to justify their response to it. As I said in the beginning, and what initiated your series of non-responses, these attempts to force views on the larger public only tend to solidify opposition to them and it's better to let natural trends take their course, especially when they are moving in the desired direction.

But to discuss this you need to be willing to be honest here. Something you seem very intent in not doing
 
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Mason66 said:
I wonder if A&E asked themselves how many of the people that would boycott the show, network or the advertisers every watch the show, the network or would ever buy a product from one for their advertisers.
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Think they made a poor business decision. The robertsons are now considered Heroes if they want to cash in on the opportunity they were just handed.

Maybe I should go bash a gay person on TV and ride the wave of martyrdom...
 
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Fiddytree said:
Then you have a lot of reading to do. That is, if you're up to the challenge.
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I understand, and have heard the concept but the concept is not accurate at all...

I have done my reading, this is why I know this..

"Democratic Socialism" is a joke because there is no "capitalist" option so it's not democratic at all...

The same people run for office, and they're all the same - socialists - so how the hell is that democratic.

North Korea is a perfect example of that - what "Kim" do you want?

It's like putting a bowl of brown M&M's out on the table and claiming that because people can choose which ones they want - that is democracy...
 
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rocket88 said:
It's not a punishment. The Constitution does not guarantee the right to have your life broadcast on cable TV. Nor does it protect you from consequences for free speech.
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Do you think the only punishment is related to the Constitution?

He was removed from the show and if the show continues, where will he be when it is being filmed.

They have, or are trying to, kick him out of his family.
 
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tacomancer said:
Or conservatives. Depends on the situation. What if someone on trinity broadcasting had supported gay rights.

Or what if the Dixie chicks criticized bush. It goes both ways

Gaico is another example
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A. As long as the Trinity person didn't mention it on a TRINITY show.... then its wrong.
B. They got boycotted.... they didn't get dropped from their record label or anything.
C. WTF is a GAICO?

B (1). However.... this bit I just learned (by making sure I wasn't wrong in my assumption in B) is totally ****ed up...

Wikipedia on Dixie Chicks said:
A Colorado radio station suspended two of its disc jockeys on May 6 for playing music by Dixie Chicks.
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Redress said:
My position is based exactly on his words. He chose what to lump together with homosexuals and homosexuality. You can deny it all you want, but it won't change him lumping gays with terrorists, nor homosexuality with bestiality. If you cannot comprehend why that might piss some people off, the issue is not with me.
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Well then you better rally to have the Bible withdrawn from all public libraries and iinstitution. Hell, just ban it. Because that was the source of his quote.

1 Corinthians 6:9 ESV / 7 helpful votes
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
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