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'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E (W: 742)

Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Are you saying that A&E did not react to pressure from GLAAD, and HRC to suspend Phil Robertson?

Your ASSuming A&E didn't want to suspend Phil but only pressure from GLAAD 'forced' them to.

I believe that is as incorrect.
 
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Ever hear of the law of unintended consequences? It very can rise up so easily and bit one in the butt very quickly. An example here, the Republicans shut down the government to defund the ACA. The unintended consequences as the shut actually helped the ACA law itself. The GaP between those who favored the ACA to opposed was 14-19 points advantage oppose prior to the shutdown. After the shutdown that gap narrowed to 4-10 points.

In other words the Republicans thought the people would back them in their attempt to defund the ACA, the reverse is what happened. Sort of like with Mr. Duck here, GLAAD thought by bringing this to the attention of the viewership of TV reality programs that it would cut into the audience of Mr. Duck. But what it has done is bring that show to the attention of quite a lot of people who never bothered to watch it and now it has piqued their interests. So hence all this publicity will probably bring the show higher ratings than before. An unexpected bonanza for both A&E and Mr. Duck.

Good for them then. I hope it doubles sales.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Your ASSuming A&E didn't want to suspend Phil but only pressure from GLAAD 'forced' them to.

I believe that is as incorrect.

Ofcourse you do. wouldn't be the first time liberals let their ideology get in the way of sound business practice.
 
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Ofcourse you do. wouldn't be the first time liberals let their ideology get in the way of sound business practice.

It is interesting to see CONs, who love to talk principle when it suits, wish OTHERS to toss theirs aside for mammon. :roll:

The same 'christians' who line up to howl over the Quackers lead attacks against some VERY popular shows and for some very odd reasons. They are letting principles interfere with making money.

Remember the outrage over 'Happy Feet'? If the Religious Right had their way that money maker would never have seen the light of day.

Photographers who refuse to make money doing same sex weddings, Bakers refusing to serve same sex customers, florists who refuse to serve their long standing gay customers because the customer is getting married to his male partner...

So spare us the tripe that liberals let their ideology get in the way of sound business practices... pot meet kettle.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

pretending that homophobia is biblically accepted does not provide the speaker safe haven for making bigoted statements

Believing that homosexuality is morally wrong, is a known biblical belief, and saying so isn’t necessarily homophobic, nor even bigoted. However, yes, the 1st Amendment was meant to protect the right to say things that others might find controversial or offensive, especially when it's a moral opinion. And therefore his being fired for such should fall within a violation of discrimination laws under the Civil Rights Act, Title VII which expressly forbids discrimination based on religious belief.
 
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Believing that homosexuality is morally wrong, is a known biblical belief, and saying so isn’t necessarily homophobic, nor even bigoted. However, yes, the 1st Amendment was meant to protect the right to say things that others might find controversial or offensive, especially when it's a moral opinion. And therefore his being fired for such should fall within a violation of discrimination laws under the Civil Rights Act, Title VII which expressly forbids discrimination based on religious belief.

Thank you. I was waiting several days for a rational argument from those who believed that Phil should not have been fired.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Believing that homosexuality is morally wrong, is a known biblical belief, and saying so isn’t necessarily homophobic, nor even bigoted. However, yes, the 1st Amendment was meant to protect the right to say things that others might find controversial or offensive, especially when it's a moral opinion. And therefore his being fired for such should fall within a violation of discrimination laws under the Civil Rights Act, Title VII which expressly forbids discrimination based on religious belief.

If a company is paying a person with media exposure, they are well within their rights to cease the business relationship if the person makes public statements that can affect the bottom line of the company/business/firm/organization. I am assuming there was a contingency in place (contractually) that protects the network from first amendment suits.
 
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Apparently they're so worried about their bottom line that they're running Duck Dynasty marathons.

More likely, firing the guy is instant controversy and publicity and they're going to milk it for all the cash it brings in. I would be astonished if they didn't rehire him, possibly after some sort of apology.
 
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Oh, so you have proof that Robertson reached out to WBC? And if not, I'll assume you are just going down this road to smear. Pathetic.

Just saying some more fellow bigots if Rpbertson likes it or not are coming to his aid.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

If a company is paying a person with media exposure, they are well within their rights to cease the business relationship if the person makes public statements that can affect the bottom line of the company/business/firm/organization. I am assuming there was a contingency in place (contractually) that protects the network from first amendment suits.


I agree with this on a legal basis that religious beliefs have proper avenues of expression that protect them from recrimination. In a church or private setting but in public his rights cannot infringe on another entities.
 
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Just saying some more fellow bigots if Rpbertson likes it or not are coming to his aid.

Nonsense. Everyone knows that family's church of a few people hates gays and believe that the existence of gay people/activity causes war and disasters. How often are they to serve as examples of anything?
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Apparently they're so worried about their bottom line that they're running Duck Dynasty marathons.

More likely, firing the guy is instant controversy and publicity and they're going to milk it for all the cash it brings in. I would be astonished if they didn't rehire him, possibly after some sort of apology.

I think A&E has had its fun and no more Queer Eye followed by Duck People. All the sales are still going through A&E marketing contracts and will be for some time. Another network can have it, perhaps after Ancient Aliens.
 
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Nonsense.
They are the ones picketing in favor of him..

Everyone knows that family's church of a few people hates gays and believe that the existence of gay people/activity causes war and disasters.
So what....

How often are they to serve as examples of anything?
Never said they serve as examples, just that they are protesting in favor of him.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Believing that homosexuality is morally wrong, is a known biblical belief, and saying so isn’t necessarily homophobic, nor even bigoted. However, yes, the 1st Amendment was meant to protect the right to say things that others might find controversial or offensive, especially when it's a moral opinion. And therefore his being fired for such should fall within a violation of discrimination laws under the Civil Rights Act, Title VII which expressly forbids discrimination based on religious belief.

yes, the bible advocates slavery ... and any variety of killing, among the odd things espoused
that does not mean the civil rights act is going to protect you on religious grounds because you acted on the endorsements of the bible and took slaves and stoned those who the bible says deserve stoning
but good luck with overcoming this suspension by a civil rights suit. a certain loser
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Believing that homosexuality is morally wrong, is a known biblical belief, and saying so isn’t necessarily homophobic, nor even bigoted. However, yes, the 1st Amendment was meant to protect the right to say things that others might find controversial or offensive, especially when it's a moral opinion. And therefore his being fired for such should fall within a violation of discrimination laws under the Civil Rights Act, Title VII which expressly forbids discrimination based on religious belief.

It is bigoted and homophobic, but he has the right to say it. And he did. No prevented him. No civil rights have been violated. Remember, others have the right to react to what said. No law makes any hire him. Nor keep him hired.
 
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It is bigoted and homophobic, but he has the right to say it. And he did. No prevented him. No civil rights have been violated. Remember, others have the right to react to what said. No law makes any hire him. Nor keep him hired.

How is it bigoted, or homophobic?
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

If a company is paying a person with media exposure, they are well within their rights to cease the business relationship if the person makes public statements that can affect the bottom line of the company/business/firm/organization. I am assuming there was a contingency in place (contractually) that protects the network from first amendment suits.

The details of any contract are a big factor of course, but even still, to say that expressing ones religious moral opinions in an interview published by an unrelated company affects the bottom line (and therefore justify termination) would be as much a violation of the Civil Rights Act Title VII, as claiming the same thing regarding a person who makes a public statement about being gay or lesbian, and being fired for it.
 
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What if Duck Dynasty dude was tired of doing the show and intentionally did this to get out of an ironclad contract?

— Aziz Ansari (@azizansari)
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

yes, the bible advocates slavery ... and any variety of killing, among the odd things espoused
that does not mean the civil rights act is going to protect you on religious grounds because you acted on the endorsements of the bible and took slaves and stoned those who the bible says deserve stoning

The difference here is that a non-violent moral opinion was given. Not an act of taking slaves, killing, or even condoning it.
 
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The difference here is that a non-violent moral opinion was given. Not an act of taking slaves, killing, or even condoning it.

your presentation was that phil can get away with his odious behavior by cloaking it in the religiosity of the bible
i offered those other examples to prove your presentation wrong
if the religious basis will not protect him from being found wrong having slaves or stoning someone, it will similarly not protect him from the consequences of saying stupid ****
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

No civil rights have been violated. Remember, others have the right to react to what said. No law makes any hire him. Nor keep him hired.

By this logic, any person who publicly states they are gay may be fired for the same reason.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

The details of any contract are a big factor of course, but even still, to say that expressing ones religious moral opinions in an interview published by an unrelated company affects the bottom line (and therefore justify termination) would be as much a violation of the Civil Rights Act Title VII, as claiming the same thing regarding a person who makes a public statement about being gay or lesbian, and being fired for it.

There is a big difference between making a positive statement (not expressing judgement) with a normative statement (expressing judgement). Duck Dynasty either needs a better PR/legal team, or needs to take the advice of the one(s) they have.
 
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By this logic, any person who publicly states they are gay may be fired for the same reason.

That is entirely different.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

yes, the bible advocates slavery ... and any variety of killing, among the odd things espoused
that does not mean the civil rights act is going to protect you on religious grounds because you acted on the endorsements of the bible and took slaves and stoned those who the bible says deserve stoning
but good luck with overcoming this suspension by a civil rights suit. a certain loser

talk about your false equivalencies: regardless of what you make of his statements and how you view them legally, they were still just statements. Above you draw direct parallels to violent acts that cause direct harm to other individuals.
 
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