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Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

Dittohead not! said:
Partly correct:
Health care costs do go up when a middleman comes between the patient and the doctor, particularly when the patient doesn't care, doesn't even know in most cases, what the costs are. On the other hand, no one should face the decision of needed treatment or bankruptcy. The problem is, insurance needs to be just that, and not a pre paid health care plan.
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When people don't care about the costs, as you say, then naturally they will increase and this in turn is what led to bankruptcies. They will not care with Obamacare either and the costs will increase even more because there is no one to hold them responsible.
Not allowing competition between the states is a talking point. There has always been competition between the states, but the seller has to conform to the regulations in the state where they are selling, not just in the state where their offices are.
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A needless impediment to greater competition.
Lobbyists do indeed play a role. No one can go against the wishes of the insurance industry.
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They had to or there would not be the mess there is today.
Obamacare might make things worse. It is too early to tell just yet.
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We can judge it somewhat on what has gone on so far and the prognosis is not good. However, in the long term it might bring free enterprise back to the medical system. Concierge Medicine Gains Ground
 
Grant said:
When people don't care about the costs, as you say, then naturally they will increase and this in turn is what led to bankruptcies. They will not care with Obamacare either and the costs will increase even more because there is no one to hold them responsible.
A needless impediment to greater competition.
They had to or there would not be the mess there is today.
We can judge it somewhat on what has gone on so far and the prognosis is not good. However, in the long term it might bring free enterprise back to the medical system. Concierge Medicine Gains Ground
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Multiple sessions at the American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP) scientific assembly informed attendees about the growing world of direct primary care, sometimes called concierge, boutique, or retainer-based medicine. These practices charge patients a monthly or annual membership fee for unlimited office access, and bill patients for the tests and supplies they use.
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Concierge medicine sounds a lot like insurance through the doctors themselves. It's an intriguing idea, but what happens when the patient needs care that goes beyond what is available in t he doctor's office? It's hospital stays that really ramp up the bills?
 
Grant said:
And you know that for a fact, huh? Do you believe he would have made Romneycare national? Ignored Benghazi? Bribed the electorate with food stamps?
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:roll:
 
Dittohead not! said:
Concierge medicine sounds a lot like insurance through the doctors themselves. It's an intriguing idea, but what happens when the patient needs care that goes beyond what is available in t he doctor's office? It's hospital stays that really ramp up the bills?
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I imagine this will be looked after somehow, as it seems an obvious question but I really don't know enough about it either.
 
disneydude said:
The best indicator will be where this country will be when Obama leaves office. GWB took a country with a budget surplus and drove this country to the brink of economic and moral bankruptcy. Obama took over a country in a mess...and hopefully he won't leave it in a mess....time will tell.
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Bush took office and was presented with 9-11, Obama took over and tell me again what has he accomplished other than failure? And you wonder why Obama's approval rating is lover than Bush.
 
Grant said:
And you know that for a fact, huh? Do you believe he would have made Romneycare national? Ignored Benghazi? Bribed the electorate with food stamps?
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Probably a different set of baffonery, bribery is always a constant but he may not be bribing the poor as much. But the NSA would be doing what it does now, we'd still be at war, we'd still be in debt, we'd still be bailing out corporations, HLS would be doing the same, Patriot Act will still be in effect, GITMO still open, still expanding our war presence in the Middle East overall. Same corporate masters would be served, and we would all become less free. Same as now.

Republocrats act alike, no matter how differently they talk. Bush and Obama, essentially the same guy.
 
Born Free said:
Bush took office and was presented with 9-11, Obama took over and tell me again what has he accomplished other than failure? And you wonder why Obama's approval rating is lover than Bush.
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I mean, Bush's approval rating was trash, so it's not much of a comparison. Slightly above **** is still pretty damned close to ****.
 
Ikari said:
Probably a different set of baffonery, bribery is always a constant but he may not be bribing the poor as much. But the NSA would be doing what it does now, we'd still be at war, we'd still be in debt, we'd still be bailing out corporations, HLS would be doing the same, Patriot Act will still be in effect, GITMO still open, still expanding our war presence in the Middle East overall. Same corporate masters would be served, and we would all become less free. Same as now.

Republocrats act alike, no matter how differently they talk. Bush and Obama, essentially the same guy.
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You seem to have it all figured out.
 
Ikari said:
I mean, Bush's approval rating was trash, so it's not much of a comparison. Slightly above **** is still pretty damned close to ****.
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A 1% difference is insignificant, just like most differences between the two presidents.
 
disneydude said:
The best indicator will be where this country will be when Obama leaves office. GWB took a country with a budget surplus and drove this country to the brink of economic and moral bankruptcy. Obama took over a country in a mess...and hopefully he won't leave it in a mess....time will tell.
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Ah, that left wing spin. The crisis was caused by the democrats and their little playground over at Freddie Mac, in addition to the CRA that completely undermined the mortgage industry, another democrat work of art.

Then in prances Obama, the savior. Except the guy is completely unqualified and doesn't have a clue on how to fix things. But, he doesn't really give a crap about the economy, he just wants to spend, increase government power, and take away our freedoms. Throw in his many lies, and here we are. And the sad thing is, the left is satisfied with this destruction of our fundamentals, and would reelect Obama, the worst president ever, in a heartbeat.

And their are very few republicans with the guts to stand up to this rolling disaster, so things are not looking very good for this country, and the polls show it.
 
Anthony60 said:
Ah, that left wing spin. The crisis was caused by the democrats and their little playground over at Freddie Mac, in addition to the CRA that completely undermined the mortgage industry, another democrat work of art.

Then in prances Obama, the savior. Except the guy is completely unqualified and doesn't have a clue on how to fix things. But, he doesn't really give a crap about the economy, he just wants to spend, increase government power, and take away our freedoms. Throw in his many lies, and here we are. And the sad thing is, the left is satisfied with this destruction of our fundamentals, and would reelect Obama, the worst president ever, in a heartbeat.

And their are very few republicans with the guts to stand up to this rolling disaster, so things are not looking very good for this country, and the polls show it.
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1- Cool avatar!

2- Ted Cruz stands up to Obama.
 
Obama's job approval rating is lowest for any American president since Richard Nixon. It is currently 38% Nixon was at 29%.
 
Obama is doing pretty well with public opinion,
consider the several billion-dollar smear machines running 24/7..

What does it say for the GOP to be vested in failure, the failure of the ACA law ?
 
NIMBY said:
Obama is doing pretty well with public opinion,
consider the several billion-dollar smear machines running 24/7..

What does it say for the GOP to be vested in failure, the failure of the ACA law ?
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I as a conservative am 100% vested in the failure of socialism in America.
 
NIMBY said:
Obama is doing pretty well with public opinion,
consider the several billion-dollar smear machines running 24/7..

What does it say for the GOP to be vested in failure, the failure of the ACA law ?
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Actually it is Barrack Obama who is most supporting this failure. In fact the Democrats passed this Bill before they even knew what was in it.

Do you find that to be irresponsible?
 
SgtRock said:
I meant to say at this point in his presidency. I expect that Obama rating will sink bellow that of both Nixon and Bush's lowest rating.
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I don't, since it's VERY hard to crack 30%. That's essentially the base. Bush jumped back up above 30 before his tenure ended.

Grant said:
Actually it is Barrack Obama who is most supporting this failure. In fact the Democrats passed this Bill before they even knew what was in it.

Do you find that to be irresponsible?
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Because THIS tired and untrue meme NEVER gets old.
 
The USA has been socialist to some degree since its beginning..
SgtRock said:
I as a conservative am 100% vested in the failure of socialism in America.
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Saying you're against the USA means you're probably from Texas, even though Sam Houston was not a Confederate .
 
The GOP is vested in the failure of Obama, therefore to Hell with america..
Grant said:
Do you find that to be irresponsible?
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I sure do find that irresponsible Grant .
 
Anthony60 said:
Ah, that left wing spin. The crisis was caused by the democrats and their little playground over at Freddie Mac, in addition to the CRA that completely undermined the mortgage industry, another democrat work of art.

Then in prances Obama, the savior. Except the guy is completely unqualified and doesn't have a clue on how to fix things. But, he doesn't really give a crap about the economy, he just wants to spend, increase government power, and take away our freedoms. Throw in his many lies, and here we are. And the sad thing is, the left is satisfied with this destruction of our fundamentals, and would reelect Obama, the worst president ever, in a heartbeat.

And their are very few republicans with the guts to stand up to this rolling disaster, so things are not looking very good for this country, and the polls show it.
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The revisionist history is strong with this one
 
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