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North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

Verax said:
Oh its my job huh? I'm the U.S. fossil fuel to alternative energy budget czar now? I haven't researched this extensively but the estimates of the damage of climate change are in the trillions... Can you possibly think that is LESS than transitioning away from fossil fuels? Come on now you're just being silly.
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Yes it's your job to post such estimates so I have something to more properly criticize. Otherwise you're just blowing smoke.
 
Verax said:
LoL, why is it my job to have proof? Where is your proof? I have never looked for "absolute proof" that we can transition to a 100% alternative energy source, neither have I advocated for that in the near term but you like so many others will cling to that strawman to the death.

What is obvious is that we can have a significant effect that lowers fossil fuel use, which is what you're running from.
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I'm not running from anything. I'm all for nuclear energy and natural gas meeting all our energy needs. Wind and solar will never be able to be more the 10% of total energy production. The economies of scale simply do not work for it.
 
ReformCollege said:
I'm not running from anything. I'm all for nuclear energy and natural gas meeting all our energy needs. Wind and solar will never be able to be more the 10% of total energy production. The economies of scale simply do not work for it.
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At this rate both wind and solar will reach US grid parity by 2020. Unsubsidized. Honestly, the cost of solar has dropped 60% since 2011 and is still dropping. We just have to wait it out.
 
There's a lot of anti-American posters here who don't want Mexican oil industry developed. That's incredibly selfish of them to want Mexicans to be poor and starving.

But developing Mexico's oil industry is only good if it's American oil multinationals developing the oil and sending it to the U.S. Otherwise this is bad news when China or India get their hands on the oil.
 
Mr.Nick said:
That's insane...

You guys have illegals running every which way - through your yards, down the streets...
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Lol no ones running through my property. But I fully support the idea of securing all of our international borders.

Corruption thrives off of money, in Mexico this will equate to more cartel activity. As it is the Mexican town that most people go to around here isnt a safe place anymore. Lol it was never safe but its even less safe now.
 
apdst said:
More jobs in Mexico means fewer illegal aliens coming across the border looking for a job.
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That has already been accomplished with less jobs in the US.
 
Erod said:
This is excellent news, but only if somehow the cartels are corraled, which is an age-old problem here and much of the world.

I fear the U.S. military will be needed to occupy Mexico for this to be possible, and nobody wants that.

If somehow Mexico became legit, it would help to curtail the mass illegal immigration to the states, but until the cartels are killed off, there's little hope this will work.

I'm sure Russia and China are giddy. They don't give a rip about cartels and terrorists, they just want their oil.
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Mexico wouldn't allow that, ever.
 
apdst said:
Oh...so more developement in the oilfield doesn't create more jobs?

:lamo
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I thought the Christmas season and increased volume at the post office would create more jobs too, but the mailman union does not allow temporary workers to be hired, so the processing of packages is backed up 2 weeks.

Unions are great.

We don't know what will happen with this yet.
 
ReformCollege said:
Wait, I thought you said that this abuse already happens?

Besides, if US companies were getting busy in Mexico making investments, I'd imagine that they would want to be safe from said cartels. Like it or not, that may be an avenue for the US government to assist Mexico in its local cartel war.
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Why would the US Government get involved when it is private companies doing business?
 
DA60 said:
Interesting, thanks for this.

But one of the solutions is obvious to me, Mexico is going to have to legalize drugs and once that is done, the Mexican people must start electing politicians that listen to them. And if they don't then have mass strikes/shutdowns to force them to do as they say. Without the ultra-violent drug cartels, I would guess that peaceful protests will be far easier to carry out.

The cartels are powered mostly by illegal drug money. The governors are corrupted by the cartels (among others). End the flow of drug money and you severely weaken both and the amount of violence will, IMO, undoubtedly plummet.

Will legalizing drugs in Mexico be easy? Nope.

But if they ever want the ridiculously powerful cartels and all the corruption/violence/murders they bring to their regions to end, they had better get it done, IMO.

Will the American government scream bloody murder if Mexico tries to do that...yup, probably. Will the cartel's murder anyone who even attempts to take away their major source of power...yup, probably.
Hey, it won't be easy. But something has to be done.

Or yes, then you maybe right in that the oil money will not flow down to most Mexicans...just mostly into the cartel's/corrupt politician's pockets.


As for Nigeria?

Yes, Nigerian's are getting screwed. But a ton of their problems are ethnic violence and Nigeria has had a civil war, military junta's and massive political instability for many decades. This was not a stable country before oil started flowing. But as small as it is, at least some money does flow down to the people.
Taking that money away will just increase the poverty - and greater poverty is not good for anything. It just invites more anger, frustration, violence, disease.

If Mexico can break the backs of the cartel's by legalizing drugs...I think that would be a very good start.
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How many politicians would vote to legalize drugs when the cartels kidnap one of their kids and hold a knife at each and every one of their throats.

Do you think the cartel will just let their money flow dry up?
 
cpwill said:
Well HOT Dog!



:) This is all kinds of good news, for us and for Mexico. :peace
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That's funny considering many South American countries are being paid to drill by Obama, now Mexico is the middle man in an oil overflow...

I love how anti-oil progressives are yet support Obama who clearly enjoys stimulating foreign economies by paying them to export oil to us. I suppose oil is fine just as long as we don't drill it ourselves or shale/frack it....

This government is so backwards.
 
apdst said:
Ok, look...there's no way you're going to make the argument that more jobs and economic prosperity are bad.

Hell, it's plausible to suggest the American oil companies that start operatating Mexico could hire some guns to handle up on the drug cartels.
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Are you serious with this?

The cartel has more guns and better guns and they don't care how many of the soldiers get killed, or other people for that matter.

If they come across something they can't confront directly, they go after families and assets.
 
reinoe said:
There's a lot of anti-American posters here who don't want Mexican oil industry developed. That's incredibly selfish of them to want Mexicans to be poor and starving.

But developing Mexico's oil industry is only good if it's American oil multinationals developing the oil and sending it to the U.S. Otherwise this is bad news when China or India get their hands on the oil.
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Wow, read the thread. We already get oil from Mexico, they are our third largest supplier after Canada (number 1) and SA. Their fields are dwindling as we speak. Openning the fields to US oil companies will only quicken that. We'll get more in the interim and then Mexico is **** out of luck. The clock is ticking on that income Mexico receives from oil. What happens when they reach the end of that resource and is the US then going to be stuck supporting the result?
 
Hatuey said:
I claim? Lolz.

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Hmmm. Name Address: dsl-201-138-234-12-dyn.prod-infinitum.com.mx - Hey! Apdst stick to discussing the technical aspects of mining/oil drilling. The political/economic aspects of it are way above your pay grade.



Sigh. Okay, here we go:

Great Panther Silver - Operations - Guanajuato Mine Complex - Guanajuato Mine Complex - German multinational.
Impact Silver Corp. - Zacatecas, Mexico - Tue Dec 17, 2013 - American multinational
Del Toro Underground Silver Mine, Zacatecas - Mining Technology - Canadian multinational.

Yep, sure sounds local. Again, you have no clue what it is you're discussing.



Spare me the chest beating. It's been tried by multinational mining companies and it has failed miserably.
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I think he was saying that just because you are in Mexico doesn't mean you know anything, not that you weren't in Mexico.

It is hard for people that have not experienced the cartels, especially the Zetas, what it is like here.
 
Mason66 said:
I think he was saying that just because you are in Mexico doesn't mean you know anything, not that you weren't in Mexico.

It is hard for people that have not experienced the cartels, especially the Zetas, what it is like here.
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What state are you in? I'm in Nayarit. Headed to Zacatecas/San Luis Potosi in a few days.
 
Hatuey said:
What state are you in? I'm in Nayarit. Headed to Zacatecas/San Luis Potosi in a few days.
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I am in Sinaloa 2 hours from the head of the Cartel. it is pretty calm here.

Which cartel has control of your area?
 
Mason66 said:
I am in Sinaloa 2 hours from the head of the Cartel. it is pretty calm here.

Which cartel has control of your area?
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As of right now, nobody 100% is sure but it's pretty well established that the local police are all Zetas and Chapo is trying to get control of the area back. They got signaled about a year ago and were told there would be a "clean". It's pretty calm here but only after about 2-3 years of violence. The governor (I think it was Ney) sold the plaza to two different cartels and **** got wild.
 
Mason66 said:
Why would the US Government get involved when it is private companies doing business?
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Because, unfortunately that what it does. Which in this case wouldn't be such a bad thing. It is in the US's best interest to make sure Mexico isn't run by corruption and drug cartels.
 
brothern said:
At this rate both wind and solar will reach US grid parity by 2020. Unsubsidized. Honestly, the cost of solar has dropped 60% since 2011 and is still dropping. We just have to wait it out.
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Yes, but parity does not mean that the entire sector can be run off solar or wind. Hydro power is already at parity in terms of price, but capacity wise we already are nearly maxed out. Wind and solar suffer from several structural limitations. We can discuss those if you want, but I think with a little bit of imagination you can figure those out on your own.
 
Good news, hopefully more North American oil can be produced and prices lowered.
 
Mason66 said:
How many politicians would vote to legalize drugs when the cartels kidnap one of their kids and hold a knife at each and every one of their throats.

Do you think the cartel will just let their money flow dry up?
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I typed:

'Will the American government scream bloody murder if Mexico tries to do that...yup, probably. Will the cartel's murder anyone who even attempts to take away their major source of power...yup, probably.
Hey, it won't be easy. But something has to be done.'

So obviously I am aware of all that.

But it has to be done.

Surround the government buildings AND protect the politician's families with the military - while the politician's pass the legalization. And don't make a big discussion about it...do it all behind closed doors, make sure they have the votes and then pass the law. Done.

What's your solution? Let the cartels run their regions, anyway they want, murdering anyone they want, forever?
 
digsbe said:
Good news, hopefully more North American oil can be produced and prices lowered.
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Doesn't work like that. It all goes to the same refineries (depending on type of crude) and the crude is sold generally at OPEC prices no matter it's source.
 
ReformCollege said:
Because, unfortunately that what it does. Which in this case wouldn't be such a bad thing. It is in the US's best interest to make sure Mexico isn't run by corruption and drug cartels.
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If that happened the cartels and normal people would have more targets to shoot at.

Mexico is not Puerto Rico and if the US invades Mexico, like you suggest, that would be war.
 
DA60 said:
I typed:

'Will the American government scream bloody murder if Mexico tries to do that...yup, probably. Will the cartel's murder anyone who even attempts to take away their major source of power...yup, probably.
Hey, it won't be easy. But something has to be done.'

So obviously I am aware of all that.

But it has to be done.

Surround the government buildings AND protect the politician's families with the military - while the politician's pass the legalization. And don't make a big discussion about it...do it all behind closed doors, make sure they have the votes and then pass the law. Done.

What's your solution? Let the cartels run their regions, anyway they want, murdering anyone they want, forever?
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The cartels will get whoever they want to get.

The mayor of a smaller town down the road had a large military detail for protection.

The cartel took out the military officers first, 2 truck in front and 2 trucks in back and killed the mayor.

I am not sure why you think they wouldn't do the same in this case.

You don't understand how these cartels work.

At least the people in Afghanistan care about not killing the innocent, women and children. The cartels don't care anything about that.
 
DA60 said:
What's your solution? Let the cartels run their regions, anyway they want, murdering anyone they want, forever?
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I don't have a solution. If I did I would be working with the government.

We just try to survive.
 
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