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North America to Drown in Oil as Mexico Ends Monopoly

Mr.Nick said:
You're making this an issue, when it's NOT.

There is absolutely ZERO evidence to support any of it other than speculation - and if we're going to use "speculation" than we should be living in water world or "Snowball Earth" as was predicted by the global warming or cooling nuts back in the 70's....

Funny how we're not all drowning or freezing...
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Again you have it wrong, I did not bring this up and have argued that dead spots are a natural phenomenon. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I am an AGW cultist and are reacting to what I post on that alone, without reading or understanding.

In fact, we are currently in a TEMPORARY interglacial warming period. So regardless of what man does, snowball earth is the more likely future.
 
clownboy said:
Have to disagree with some of that. Bio-diesel in particular is NOT expensive at all. It's easy to use in existing vehicles and much easier on the environment and the wallet than petrodiesel. Wind and solar are great for local usage, but you're right, they fail at the massive over-production we need to supply the distributed grid. Hydro is the answer there, the snail darter and the rafting folks just need to get over themselves. Fossil fuel use does not need to be replaced, but it does need to be increasingly augmented.

As to the Mexican oil fields, they are playing out, that's why Mexico has gotten less and less revenue from them. The oil companies have new tech that can get the most out of them, but we're still not talking a sudden long lasting resource for Mexico again. This is like deciding to go out on a big bag of heroin that took all your last ducets to purchase.
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Bio diesel sucks because there is no total industry standard for them to meet so fleets are faced with gelling and complete stoppage of their fleets in colder weather. I know this because we manage the waste that comes from this process for several companies. That waste is all over the board from high akali content to spikes in methanol. There is no way I would burn that **** in a 70k-200k vehicle.
 
clownboy said:
Again you have it wrong, I did not bring this up and have argued that dead spots are a natural phenomenon. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I am an AGW cultist and are reacting to what I post on that alone, without reading or understanding.

In fact, we are currently in a TEMPORARY interglacial warming period. So regardless of what man does, snowball earth is the more likely future.
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No, you're just using the same quackery AGW nuts use to extinguish their dissenters.

You're just trying to say they have a valid argument while denying they do.
 
Hatuey said:
You really should learn to understand what it is you're reading. Check my post again and pretend you've understood it. It'll probably help a lot more.
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Ok, look...there's no way you're going to make the argument that more jobs and economic prosperity are bad.

Hell, it's plausible to suggest the American oil companies that start operatating Mexico could hire some guns to handle up on the drug cartels.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
it does not matter if the cause solely manmade, we are contributing to their creation.
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As with everything we do, it's borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. Those ammonium nitrate fertilizers allow us to feed a mammoth human population.

Hpwever, I can't see where openning up the oil leases in Mexico is going to have any impact on dead zones one way or the other.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Plate tectonics - plate tectonics are partially caused by the moon

Why do you thin the geological record is so shotty when it comes to climate or previous climates being usless to research? Because the rocks that give a story only tell us a story about the position of that land millions of years ago - which is certainly NOT in the same position that land is at now.
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did you ever hear of the scientific principle of uniformitarianism? it s a guiding principle of earth science which assumes that the same physical processes active in the environment today have been operating throughout geologic time

as to your comment about the moon causing plate tectionics, no, not even close. Plate tectonics are a endogenic process, endogenic means internal processes, not external factors like the moon.
 
Mr.Nick said:
When did I ever say or even imply that?

No, that would be anthropology (you're being general so)..
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Try biology, and you were the one trying to say the geology of the planet adapts. Do you need a post number?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
did you ever hear of the scientific principle of uniformitarianism? it s a guiding principle of earth science which assumes that the same physical processes active in the environment today have been operating throughout geologic time

as to your comment about the moon causing plate tectionics, no, not even close. Plate tectonics are a endogenic process, endogenic means internal processes, not external factors like the moon.
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That's the problem with science these days - the lack of objectivity...

Most of the scientific community these days believes they know everything and reject every alternative solution to their theories or ideas..

Sorry to tell tell but these AGW scientists get paid via government grants to legitimize AGW..

"Climate Change" is real - AGW is nonsense.
 
clownboy said:
Try biology, and you were the one trying to say the geology of the planet adapts. Do you need a post number?
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No, I meant Anthropology.... Try again...
 
Rocketman said:
Bio diesel sucks because there is no total industry standard for them to meet so fleets are faced with gelling and complete stoppage of their fleets in colder weather. I know this because we manage the waste that comes from this process for several companies. That waste is all over the board from high akali content to spikes in methanol. There is no way I would burn that **** in a 70k-200k vehicle.
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Actually there is an industry standard, the problem is it's still in the cottage industry phase and the smaller formulaters don't always follow standards. Gelling is common in biodiesel, that why it's very hard to get B99 (99% biodiesel). In colder climates B50 is the fuel to buy. Most US climates B80 is ideal and that's what is sold. This is no more difficult than considering the octane rating of your fuel.

Now, as to running it in your expensive vehicle, the biodiesel runs cleaner than petrodiesel and so your engine lasts even longer. You're better off with biodiesel than petrodiesel in that regard.

If you're getting methanol spikes then the fuel wasn't processed completely. This is no different than buying bad gas that wasn't refined correctly. Btw, our state runs checks on all biodiesel just as it does petrodiesel.
 
Mr.Nick said:
No, I meant Anthropology.... Try again...
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Should be a new term at the community college in your area coming up. Anthropology is the study of humans, not living things in general.
 
apdst said:
Ok, look...there's no way you're going to make the argument that more jobs and economic prosperity are bad.
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It is if the prosperity is bottled necked by the 0.1% who actually run the executive side of the business. Apdst, you're trying really hard to make a broad stroke argument in a situation you haven't even analyzed. It's failing miserably and I outlined why.

1) You have zero understanding of corporate/government relations in Mexico.
2) You don't understand what this means for the Mexican economy.
3. You don't understand which sector will actually benefit from increased business.

Hell, it's plausible to suggest the American oil companies that start operatating Mexico could hire some guns to handle up on the drug cartels.
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This post right here perfectly outlines why you've been destroyed in the debate over and over again. You simply have no clue what it is you're talking about. Mining companies tried that here a few years ago. Guess who runs the mines in the Guanajuato/Zacatecas/San Luis Potosi corridor today? After mining executives started being kidnapped, they hired guns, so the cartels bought bigger guns and now everyone pays them off. That's not going to change with oil money. Short of buying up entire states, oil companies simply will pay up and then complain that the government isn't doing much. In fact, the government here is in bed with the cartels.
 
Mr.Nick said:
No, you're just using the same quackery AGW nuts use to extinguish their dissenters.

You're just trying to say they have a valid argument while denying they do.
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I really don't think you're reading my posts. It's not an all or nothing thing. Some dead spots are caused by man's farming activity, some are not. Regardless they have nothing to do with the thread topic.
 
Hatuey said:
More uncited nonsense. Prove it. Show us how much they're paid and then tell us what the average blue collar worker here makes. ;) Bet you can't. Blame the union? For what? Labor abuses? Human rights abuses? Not getting paid? The union doesn't cut the check at PEMEX.
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Mexico
 
Hatuey said:
It is if the prosperity is bottled necked by the 0.1% who actually run the executive side of the business. Apdst, you're trying really hard to make a broad stroke argument in a situation you haven't even analyzed. It's failing miserably and I outlined why.

1) You have zero understanding of corporate/government relations in Mexico.
2) You don't understand what this means for the Mexican economy.
3. You don't understand which sector will actually benefit from increased business.



This post right here perfectly outlines why you've been destroyed in the debate over and over again. You simply have no clue what it is you're talking about. Mining companies tried that here a few years ago. Guess who runs the mines in the Guanajuato/Zacatecas/San Luis Potosi corridor today? After mining executives started being kidnapped, they hired guns, so the cartels bought bigger guns and now everyone pays them off. That's not going to change with oil money. Short of buying up entire states, oil companies simply will pay up and then complain that the government isn't doing much. In fact, the government here is in bed with the cartels.
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And you're some kind of expert because you claim to be working in Mexico? I hardly think so.

Local mining companies compared to multi-national oil companies that have a couple hundred thousand veterans of a ten year guerilla war to draw from?

There's this thing called "the big picture" and "common sense" that, when employed together allow one to understand really wonderful things.

It was American veterans of the Vietnam War that taught the Mujas how to route the Red Army in Afghanistan. It's infantile to think that American veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan can't send the cartel clowns to the house, or the grave yard.
 
apdst said:
And you're some kind of expert because you claim to be working in Mexico?
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I claim? Lolz.

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Hmmm. Name Address: dsl-201-138-234-12-dyn.prod-infinitum.com.mx - Hey! Apdst stick to discussing the technical aspects of mining/oil drilling. The political/economic aspects of it are way above your pay grade.

Local mining companies compared to multi-national oil companies that have a couple hundred thousand veterans of a ten year guerilla war to draw from?
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Sigh. Okay, here we go:

Great Panther Silver - Operations - Guanajuato Mine Complex - Guanajuato Mine Complex - German multinational.
Impact Silver Corp. - Zacatecas, Mexico - Tue Dec 17, 2013 - American multinational
Del Toro Underground Silver Mine, Zacatecas - Mining Technology - Canadian multinational.

Yep, sure sounds local. Again, you have no clue what it is you're discussing.

There's this thing called "the big picture" and "common sense" that, when employed together allow one to understand really wonderful things.

It was American veterans of the Vietnam War that taught the Mujas how to route the Red Army in Afghanistan. It's infantile to think that American veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan can't send the cartel clowns to the house, or the grave yard.
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Spare me the chest beating. It's been tried by multinational mining companies and it has failed miserably.
 
DiAnna said:
Interesting insight. You've brought up things that I never would have otherwise considered because on the surface, this does sound like great news. After reading your post, well... let's just say it's harshed my mellow. What you describe is the absolute last thing the Mexican people need at this point. I was thinking, "cool, more Mexican jobs and a huge boost to the Mexican economy" when in reality what it might really mean is expanded corruption and violence. Thanks for an alternate point of view that I certainly wouldn't have heard about on CNN, or any other MSM outlet.
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No matter how you slice it this is good news for America and bad news for people like you that want high oil prices.
 
Hatuey said:
I claim? Lolz.

View attachment 67158495

Hmmm. Name Address: dsl-201-138-234-12-dyn.prod-infinitum.com.mx - Hey! Apdst stick to discussing the technical aspects of mining/oil drilling. The political/economic aspects of it are way above your pay grade.



Sigh. Okay, here we go:

Great Panther Silver - Operations - Guanajuato Mine Complex - Guanajuato Mine Complex - German multinational.
Impact Silver Corp. - Zacatecas, Mexico - Tue Dec 17, 2013 - American multinational
Del Toro Underground Silver Mine, Zacatecas - Mining Technology - Canadian multinational.

Yep, sure sounds local. Again, you have no clue what it is you're discussing.



Spare me the chest beating. It's been tried by multinational mining companies and it has failed miserably.
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Another failed posting.
 
PeteEU said:
To be honest... I would say it would effect them just as negatively. There is zero incentive to lower energy prices. Supply has been higher than demand for years, and yet we are still at 100 dollar oil.
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In the past, there was much concern about the amount of influence the ME had on us. Also, much bitching about Obama refusing o allow drilling. Now, this renders these topics indifferent. Or am I mising something here?
 
clownboy said:
Actually there is an industry standard, the problem is it's still in the cottage industry phase and the smaller formulaters don't always follow standards. Gelling is common in biodiesel, that why it's very hard to get B99 (99% biodiesel). In colder climates B50 is the fuel to buy. Most US climates B80 is ideal and that's what is sold. This is no more difficult than considering the octane rating of your fuel.

Now, as to running it in your expensive vehicle, the biodiesel runs cleaner than petrodiesel and so your engine lasts even longer. You're better off with biodiesel than petrodiesel in that regard.

If you're getting methanol spikes then the fuel wasn't processed completely. This is no different than buying bad gas that wasn't refined correctly. Btw, our state runs checks on all biodiesel just as it does petrodiesel.
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We see the methanol spikes and variances in akalis all the time, there is now way I would put that crap in anyting I had money invested in, there is not one producer that has this process down
 
Rocketman said:
We see the methanol spikes and variances in akalis all the time, there is now way I would put that crap in anyting I had money invested in, there is not one producer that has this process down
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Maybe where you work that might be true, but not here in Oregon. There's already a 5% biodisel component in all petrodiesel sold here. Our state's major waste company runs all it's vehicles on B80 they get from waste biodiesel generation. My own town's fleet all runs on B80 as does the majority of the Trimet bus system. It's sold at the pump like petrodiesel and subject to the same inspections for quality.

Don't know where you're getting yours from, but it sounds like it's a crappy implementation of the biodiesel process and for some reason your state isn't doing it's job. How in the world can you trust the petrodiesel you're buying if the state is so lax on quality checks and enforcement?
 
clownboy said:
Maybe where you work that might be true, but not here in Oregon. There's already a 5% biodisel component in all petrodiesel sold here. Our state's major waste company runs all it's vehicles on B80 they get from waste biodiesel generation. My own town's fleet all runs on B80 as does the majority of the Trimet bus system. It's sold at the pump like petrodiesel and subject to the same inspections for quality.

Don't know where you're getting yours from, but it sounds like it's a crappy implementation of the biodiesel process and for some reason your state isn't doing it's job.
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it is multiple states- IL, IA, MI, MN, WI

it is not good stuff in colder climates, between filters and engine stoppages it is not worth it. Since the tax credits evaporated there is that much being produced anymore
 
Rocketman said:
it is multiple states- IL, IA, MI, MN, WI

it is not good stuff in colder climates, between filters and engine stoppages it is not worth it. Since the tax credits evaporated there is that much being produced anymore
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It's just fine in colder climates, but it needs the blend to be B50 rather than the more prevelent around the nation B80. If you're getting gelling at B50 you're in Antartica. Once you use biodiesel regularly you don't have to change filters any more often than with petrodiesel, what's gumming up the filters is all the crap you've been running the engine on in the past.

And tax credits for what? Using biodiesel? Never been such a tax credit AFAIK. Producing it? Perhaps, but since producers can make more from it than oil refiners can with oil that doesn't make much sense. Any diesel vehicle made after 1986 has the right hoses for it (biodiesel is more corrosive than petrodiesel, that's why the engines run cleaner and last longer).
 
I'm actually quite excited about what I read today:

Algae converted to crude oil in less than an hour, energy department says

The day when planes, trucks and cars are commonly revved up on pond scum may be on the near horizon thanks to a technological advance that continuously turns a stream of concentrated algae into bio-crude oil. From green goo to crude takes less than an hour.

The goo contains about 10 percent to 20 percent algae by weight. The rest is water. This mixture is piped into a high-tech pressure cooker where temperatures hover around 660 degrees Fahrenheit and pressures of 3,000 pounds per square inch in order to keep the mixture in a liquid phase.

An hour after being poured into the cooker, gravity separates the crude oil from the water as it flows out the other end. "We can clean up that bio-crude and make it into liquid hydrocarbons that could well serve to displace the gas, diesel, and jet (fuel) that we make from petroleum now," he added.

What's more, a further water-processing step recovers methane — essentially natural gas — from the leftover plant material. The remaining nitrogen-rich water and recovered phosphorous can be recycled to grow more algae.​
 
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