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They tend to focus on christianity because that is the dominant religion in the US and Europe. It is also the religion that wants to impose it's moral views on a whole host of issue on the population. And it has nothing to do with disinterest but which religion interferes the most with their life and liberty, and in a western modern country that is christianity.
If you are against Christian morality you can invent morals of your own. What would they be?

No, it is because of terrorism. In the US that terrorist threat happens to be islam. In the UK not too long ago it was the IRA (as was it is in mainland Europe), in Spain it was the ETA, etc. etc. etc.
In the UK it was also Islam, and the same in Australia , Africa and Asia. Are you actually trying to defend Islamic terrorism here as in 'they all do it'?
Also, the stripping down, tracing of cell phones, being watched with camera's has nothing to do with islamic faith itself but with extremists who happen to be muslim. Sure islam is an influence around the world but it is not trying to run my life or trying to impose their will on my society.
Islam is a Negative influence around the world, and being an atheist you should sneer at Islam also and all their 'religious stuff'.
 
But those holidays are based on "all the religious stuff". What would atheists celebrate without them?

Yule (Jul, midwinter fest) was celebrated in pagan times even before the religious holiday of x-mass. Also, if I celebrate a free day with friends because it is a national holiday in the Netherlands than I am going to celebrate my day off the way I want. Easter with me is all about the eggs and the spring fest and x-mas is about a nicely decorated tree, festive lights and good food.

And I celebrate friends and family and getting together with loved ones.


As compared to whom? Atheists?

No, each blight on history is done on the world at large. Atheists usually do not go around killing people just because they have a faith. Atheists have been killed and persecuted for not having a faith.

There is actually no evidence that atheists have ever opened any charities, built any hospitals, or created an international system to help the poor of every nation. Atheists as a group have accomplished nothing. They are nihilists.
All the developed world was designed on Christian teachings and whether or not you believe in the actual person, or God, is not relevant. Anyone raised in the western world has been effected by Christianity, and the reverberations are still being felt around the world today.

Well, in the US there have been very few people who dared to be atheists. So how can they build hospitals, etc. etc. etc.

Atheists accomplish plenty they just do not need to do this in the name of something, they do it because it is the right thing to do.

Yes, everybody in the West has suffered the consequences from christianity. I think people should have the liberty to be religious or not be religious. In the past the oppressive church/vatican has not allowed this. Religion can do good things, I do not deny things but religion also leads to problems from time to time.

You can be happy you are religious and I am happy to not be religious. Live and let live IMHO.
 
If you are against Christian morality you can invent morals of your own. What would they be?

The law has done that for me. There are transcending morals the world around that atheists believe in just as much as christians do.

In the UK it was also Islam, and the same in Australia , Africa and Asia. Are you actually trying to defend Islamic terrorism here as in 'they all do it'? Islam is a Negative influence around the world, and being an atheist you should sneer at Islam also and all their 'religious stuff'.

No, at the time before 9/11 there was still terrorism and checks on planes etc. because of PLO terror, IRA terror, left wing communist terror etc.

And sure the world have suffered from Islamist terrorists, not from islam itself. And where do you come off with your "are you actually trying to defend islamic terrorism"? I do not defend terrorists, islamic or other ones. I also object to islam and their religious stuff. I have stated from day one here that I dislike "the excesses of religion" not the excesses of christianity. And terrorism and trying to force me to live to islamic ways and morals is clearly one of the excesses of religion IMHO.
 
Yule (Jul, midwinter fest) was celebrated in pagan times even before the religious holiday of x-mass. Also, if I celebrate a free day with friends because it is a national holiday in the Netherlands than I am going to celebrate my day off the way I want. Easter with me is all about the eggs and the spring fest and x-mas is about a nicely decorated tree, festive lights and good food. And I celebrate friends and family and getting together with loved ones.
Well good luck with that winterfest idea. It's been tried a few times before with that same rationale but never really took off.
No, each blight on history is done on the world at large. Atheists usually do not go around killing people just because they have a faith. Atheists have been killed and persecuted for not having a faith.
Atheists have a faith in that there is no God. That is their belief. And of course who really cares? In the Christian world they are free to believe whatever they choose, within the law. But of course Godless people have been killing people for ceturies but it s Christians who believed in the Golden Rule. Atheists have n such provision.
Well, in the US there have been very few people who dared to be atheists. So how can they build hospitals, etc. etc. etc.
Atheists will not build hospitals, or bring relief for the poor, they will not stand up for their beliefs as well? Christians have died for their beliefs while atheists just quietly moan in the closets, complaining of all the Christians getting up to good.
Atheists accomplish plenty they just do not need to do this in the name of something, they do it because it is the right thing to do.
And where did they learn this "right thing to do"? It's just born in them? That if an atheist is born and raised in East Africa or North Korea they will innately understand 'the right thing to do'?

Yes, everybody in the West has suffered the consequences from christianity. I think people should have the liberty to be religious or not be religious. In the past the oppressive church/vatican has not allowed this. Religion can do good things, I do not deny things but religion also leads to problems from time to time.
Yes, everything leads to problems from time to time but the Golden Rule of Christianity is designed to instruct us how to respond to these time to time problems.

You can be happy you are religious and I am happy to not be religious. Live and let live IMHO.
Of course. In fact that is a Christian concept.
 
The law has done that for me. There are transcending morals the world around that atheists believe in just as much as christians do.
And those laws that support public morality, and your own, were designed by Christians.

No, at the time before 9/11 there was still terrorism and checks on planes etc. because of PLO terror, IRA terror, left wing communist terror etc.
Actually I've traveled a great deal and there was nothing before 9/11 that can be compared to today.

And sure the world have suffered from Islamist terrorists, not from islam itself.
Not from Islam itself? Apparently you aren't aware of what's happening within Islam today.
And where do you come off with your "are you actually trying to defend islamic terrorism"? I do not defend terrorists, islamic or other ones. I also object to islam and their religious stuff. I have stated from day one here that I dislike "the excesses of religion" not the excesses of christianity. And terrorism and trying to force me to live to islamic ways and morals is clearly one of the excesses of religion IMHO.
By diverting away from the topic into the ETA and IRA you are not responding to the problems at hand. What excesses of Christianity bother you most and how do they compare to the excesses of Islam? What is it about Islamism that bothers you?
 
Well good luck with that winterfest idea. It's been tried a few times before with that same rationale but never really took off.

Well, in the Netherlands there are very little people who complain or ask people to "rationale" why they celebrate the holiday season. Why people celebrate the holidays is nobodies business.

Atheists have a faith in that there is no God. That is their belief. And of course who really cares? In the Christian world they are free to believe whatever they choose, within the law. But of course Godless people have been killing people for ceturies but it s Christians who believed in the Golden Rule. Atheists have n such provision.

Yes, free to believe what they want :lamo. Religions have been fighting wars and converting people for centuries because they respected the rights of others to believe whatever they choose. That is why Africans and others have been bombarded with missionaries to "save them from their own godless ways". Godless people have been killing? Since when have godless people been killing people for centuries?

Atheists will not build hospitals, or bring relief for the poor, they will not stand up for their beliefs as well? Christians have died for their beliefs while atheists just quietly moan in the closets, complaining of all the Christians getting up to good.

Atheists do not build hospitals in the US, they do bring relief for the poor and they do stand up for their beliefs (there are loads of non-religious aid organizations out there). But what do you get when atheists stand up for their beliefs? Persecution from the morally upstanding christians. They have to live with people disrespecting them, insulting them, threatening them and all kinds of unpleasant things. When Phil Robertson spews his religious intolerance there are loads of internet actions to "like" it if you support him and want to denounce A&E for their intolerance.

An atheist was on Foxnews to stand up for his beliefs, on the facebook page of Foxnews there were these kinds of reactions (in a short time more than 8,000 reactions like these below and much much worse were planted on there):

I say kill them all and let them see for themselves that there is a god.

I love Jesus, and the cross and if you don't, I hope that someone rapes you!

etc. etc. etc.

Or a high school student who stood up for her beliefs and won her lawsuit to have a prayer rug removed from her public high school got messages like:

“wen the atheist dies, they believe they will become a tree, so we shld chop her down, turn her into paper then PRINT THE BIBLE ON HER.”

“if I wasn’t 18 and wouldn’t go to jail I’d beat the **** out of her idk how she got away with not getting beat up yet”

“nail her to a cross”

“When I take over the world I’m going to do a holocaust to all the atheists”

And where did they learn this "right thing to do"? It's just born in them? That if an atheist is born and raised in East Africa or North Korea they will innately understand 'the right thing to do'?

Well, how about your parents. My mother instilled loads of values in me.
 
And those laws that support public morality, and your own, were designed by Christians.

Strange, even before christianity there were public morals. Now our public morals may have been influenced by christians but laws in my country were designed by all the citizens, religious and non religious.

Actually I've traveled a great deal and there was nothing before 9/11 that can be compared to today.

Sure, the threat of islamic terrorism has made people go absolutely safety insane.

Not from Islam itself? Apparently you aren't aware of what's happening within Islam today.

Pretty sure I am.

By diverting away from the topic into the ETA and IRA you are not responding to the problems at hand. What excesses of Christianity bother you most and how do they compare to the excesses of Islam? What is it about Islamism that bothers you?

I am not diverting away from the topic, I am saying that terrorism is not just islamic terrorism. Excesses like christians trying to force their morals upon an entire society (like with same sex wedding and abortion). The refusal of the church to aid in the prosecution of all those child raping priests. I am not saying the christians have loads of excesses that bother me but there are some. Most things are just the personal freedom of people and that is fine. If there are religious programs on TV I just switch over to a channel that does not have a religious program. I just don't want to be forced to observe things I do not want to observe. In the past in the Netherlands my mother was forced on her knees (as a child) while walking on the street just because a procession came along (forced by catholics standing and watching).

People were being fined for unchristian clothes (girls dressing in pants were grounds for a fine). Even now there are small christian pockets that want to stop a bike race through the area where they live because they are of the opinion that you only pray on sundays and that relaxing and having fun is unchristian.

Islam, the way they treat non-religious people, the way they treat women, the extremists in their middle etc. etc. etc.
 
Well, in the Netherlands there are very little people who complain or ask people to "rationale" why they celebrate the holiday season. Why people celebrate the holidays is nobodies business.
They don't ask for it here either, but you seemed to offer one.

Yes, free to believe what they want :lamo. Religions have been fighting wars and converting people for centuries because they respected the rights of others to believe whatever they choose. That is why Africans and others have been bombarded with missionaries to "save them from their own godless ways". Godless people have been killing? Since when have godless people been killing people for centuries?
This present century in North Korea and Cuba would be good examples. In the past century any communist country would do it.
Atheists do not build hospitals in the US, they do bring relief for the poor and they do stand up for their beliefs (there are loads of non-religious aid organizations out there). But what do you get when atheists stand up for their beliefs? Persecution from the morally upstanding christians.
Name one hospital that Atheists have built. I can name many with the word Saint in front of them. Since when, in recent history, have Atheists been persecuted by Christians? You may be thinking of Muslims who are punishing both atheists and Christians.
They have to live with people disrespecting them, insulting them, threatening them and all kinds of unpleasant things. When Phil Robertson spews his religious intolerance there are loads of internet actions to "like" it if you support him and want to denounce A&E for their intolerance.
Maybe there should be sort of 'phobia' named after Atheists like the Gays and Muslims have done. Atheistsophobia might do it but it doesn't really roll off the tongue.

An atheist was on Foxnews to stand up for his beliefs, on the facebook page of Foxnews there were these kinds of reactions (in a short time more than 8,000 reactions like these below and much much worse were planted on there):
Was he one of those offended by a cross? Perhaps he was being criticized for being a wimp more than an being an atheist.

Or a high school student who stood up for her beliefs and won her lawsuit to have a prayer rug removed from her public high school got messages like:

There are ignorant people everywhere and these people who claim to be Christians certainly weren't living up to Christian ideals. They're just talking the talk.

Well, how about your parents. My mother instilled loads of values in me.
I'm sure she did and, from what I see, has every right to be proud of her son.
 
Put the Star of David up right next to the cross....

I believe there's a menorah displayed outside the White House. Is there also a Christmas tree?

our government does not endorse anything religious

So why have a ceremony to kosher-ize the White House kitchen?

Why award the Congressional Gold Medal to this extremist?

Why commemorate his birthday as "Education Day, USA", proclaiming him a "great spiritual leader"?

Bill Text - 102nd Congress (1991-1992) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
 
You do realize that the case was brought up by JEWISH veterans not atheists. Right?

"Amid the growing controversy over the Port of Seattle's decision to remove Christmas trees from the airport ... The port's staff took down the trees Thursday after commissioners learned a lawsuit could be filed the next day if they didn't allow an 8-foot menorah to be displayed beside the largest of 15 Christmas trees throughout the airport ... Rabbi Elazar Bogomilsky of Chabad Lubavitch organization in the University District threatened a lawsuit..."

Christmas trees come down at Sea-Tac, controversy rises - seattlepi.com
 
"Amid the growing controversy over the Port of Seattle's decision to remove Christmas trees from the airport ... The port's staff took down the trees Thursday after commissioners learned a lawsuit could be filed the next day if they didn't allow an 8-foot menorah to be displayed beside the largest of 15 Christmas trees throughout the airport ... Rabbi Elazar Bogomilsky of Chabad Lubavitch organization in the University District threatened a lawsuit..."

Christmas trees come down at Sea-Tac, controversy rises - seattlepi.com

That was back in 2006, seven years ago, and it was an embarrassment to the Jewish Community, who immediately began registering complaints against that decision. It was later rescinded.

You really do keep track of Jewish history, don't you?
 
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