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Teen Sentenced To Probation For Deadly DWI Crash

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d0gbreath said:
White juveniles from good homes are to be rehabilitated.

Black juveniles from broken homes, not so much.
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do you think skin color really matters as much as money and influence? If this was Obama's kid he would likely receive the same treatment, and if it was some poor piece of backwoods trash they would face multiple years sentenced as an adult.
 
jamesrage said:
II also have to wonder if the judge received any fat checks to buy such a bull**** defense.
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d0gbreath said:
White juveniles from good homes are to be rehabilitated.

Black juveniles from broken homes, not so much.
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NIMBY said:
There is no societal guarantee that this Piece of Rich garbage will ever be rehabilitated,
given his and his ****head Father's lack of remorse..
This "kid" will get breaks the rest of his life, since money talks and the middle-class goes to jail .
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MaggieD said:
Now. Don't throw rocks at me. But had the victims been black? The marching and chanting in the streets would have been deafening. And that sentence would NEVER have been handed down. Perhaps that's what it often takes for money to lose.

IMO, this judge should be censured and/or removed from the bench.

If this had been a 16-year-old black boy, they'd have thrown away the key. Wrong-Wrong-Wrong.
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That is just so untrue.


Dr. Chuckles said:
do you think skin color really matters as much as money and influence? If this was Obama's kid he would likely receive the same treatment, and if it was some poor piece of backwoods trash they would face multiple years sentenced as an adult.
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Damn folks, just damn.
Are you all really not paying attention?

Just because the defense called a psychologist who described Couch as a product of "affluenza" doesn't mean that was what was bought by the Judge.
And based on a previous similar sentence, not even considered.

Juvenile courts are there for reform of the individual, not punishment.
This Judge is a Juvenile Court Judge who hands down such sentences regardless of the argument, skin color, or family wealth.
If she had given the kid a twenty year sentence he would have been out in 2 years.
The probation sentence she gave him, instead keeps him under the Governments thumb for ten years. And Probation is not some cakewalk. If he screws up he will be doing the remaining of those ten years.


Now to these absurd skin color and wealth claims.
They are just bs.

This Judge, in 2012, was sentencing a 14 year old African-American who killed someone while playing the knockout game and who had never expressed remorse for the murder (which is an intentional act of harm, unlike the accident in this case). The Judge wanted to sentence him to the same type of rehab treatment, but couldn't because no facility would take him.

Still, Gregory’s mother, Anita Lauterbach, said she remembers the judge pushing for rehabilitation, much like the Couch case.

"She wanted to send him to one of these special places in Arizona, but no one would take him," Lauterbach said. "We were horrified. We just couldn't believe it. The district attorney and I were just sitting on pins and needles. But, when nobody would take him, [it was] a sigh of relief."
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The violent aspect was likely why the 14 year old wasn't accepted into a treatment program, said Jamison Monroe, founder and CEO of Newport Academy in California.

Sentence given to teen in deadly drunk driving crash spurs backlash | wfaa.com Dallas - Fort Worth​

Black and not wealthy. Same type of sentence she wanted to impose.
Stop with the bs assertions of race and wealth being factors in either way.
 
Verax said:
On the bright side this thread has determined who should never be listened to about anything, ever, ever, ever, ever.

..., I'm looking at you.
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You must be looking into a mirror.
 
Excon said:


That is just so untrue.
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Damn folks, just damn.
Are you all really not paying attention?

Just because the defense called a psychologist who described Couch as a product of "affluenza" doesn't mean that was what was bought by the Judge.
And based on a previous similar sentence, not even considered.

Juvenile courts are there for reform of the individual, not punishment.
This Judge is a Juvenile Court Judge who hands down such sentences regardless of the argument, skin color, or family wealth.
If she had given the kid a twenty year sentence he would have been out in 2 years.
The probation sentence she gave him, instead keeps him under the Governments thumb for ten years. And Probation is not some cakewalk. If he screws up he will be doing the remaining of those ten years.


Now to these absurd skin color and wealth claims.
They are just bs.

This Judge, in 2012, was sentencing a 14 year old African-American who killed someone while playing the knockout game and who had never expressed remorse for the murder (which is an intentional act of harm, unlike the accident in this case). The Judge wanted to sentence him to the same type of rehab treatment, but couldn't because no facility would take him.

Still, Gregory’s mother, Anita Lauterbach, said she remembers the judge pushing for rehabilitation, much like the Couch case.

"She wanted to send him to one of these special places in Arizona, but no one would take him," Lauterbach said. "We were horrified. We just couldn't believe it. The district attorney and I were just sitting on pins and needles. But, when nobody would take him, [it was] a sigh of relief."
[...]
The violent aspect was likely why the 14 year old wasn't accepted into a treatment program, said Jamison Monroe, founder and CEO of Newport Academy in California.

Sentence given to teen in deadly drunk driving crash spurs backlash | wfaa.com Dallas - Fort Worth​

Black and not wealthy. Same type of sentence she wanted to impose.
Stop with the bs assertions of race and wealth being factors in either way.
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The fact that she wanted to send a black kid who murdered someone playing a knockout game to rehab is proof of only one thing: the judge needs to be removed from the bench.
 
Gipper said:
Yeah, I heard about this. It's sickening.

The irony is that this happened in Texas. I thought they executed assholes like this in Texas.
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:rolleyes: TX and states like it (i. e red state America) excuse all the influential rich from the crimes they commit. Ever heard of oil co. spill liability shields? Hello??!

Gipper said:
However, we all know that money buys your way out of murder. Ask OJ.
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Er, false analogy. OJ was acquitted because the prosecution failed to prove his guilt--the entire DNA evidence gathering process was shown to be botched and sloppy.

While in the ethan couch case, the accused was successfully convicted by the prosecution, but then given a light sentence by a judge who was most likely bribed in some fashion, a typical practice in red states where voters are generally too stupid to elect competent officials (i. e. judges).
 
The victims' families weren't very bright. They should've seen this coming, considering this was in TX, after all, and taken countermeasures.
 
apdst said:
Teenagers, who actually commit murder get probation all the time. This isn't a huge shock.
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Er, no. Teens who commit murder and get probation generally have rich daddies in conservative states.
 
Amanda1858 said:
This is a travesty of justice. He should have been tried as an adult and recieved an adult sentence. My heart goes out to the families of the 4 deceased victims and the 11 people who were injured.
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It's SOP in TX, AZ, AL, MS, FL, AR, . . .
 
solletica said:
Er, no. Teens who commit murder and get probation generally have rich daddies in conservative states.
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So, you're response is just another dose a bigotry?
 
apdst said:
So, you're response is just another dose a bigotry?
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False again. Bigotry entails false generalizations, whereas the plutocratic nature of red-state America is a documented fact.
 
solletica said:
False again. Bigotry entails false generalizations, whereas the plutocratic nature of red-state America is a documented fact.
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Oh! False generalizations?...LOL!!! I'll remember that!

BTW, if it's not too much trouble...could you post some evidence to prove that it's not a false generalization? thaaaanks!!
 
apdst said:
Oh! False generalizations?...LOL!!! I'll remember that!

BTW, if it's not too much trouble...could you post some evidence to prove that it's not a false generalization? thaaaanks!!
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You want me to post evidence that red state America is more plutocratic? ?
 
solletica said:
You want me to post evidence that red state America is more plutocratic? ?
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I want you to prove that your comment isn't a false generalization. Shouldn't be hard...eh?

Oh, yeah...I looked up bigotry and it didn't say anything about false generalizations.
 
apdst said:
I want you to prove that your comment isn't a false generalization. Shouldn't be hard...eh?
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It's not. There are about 600,000,000 pieces of evidence. So I'm wondering how much I should post. This forum has citation limits, after all.
 
solletica said:
It's not. There are about 600,000,000 pieces of evidence. So I'm wondering how much I should post. This forum has citation limits, after all.
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600 million?...LOL!!
 
apdst said:
600 million?...LOL!!
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Yes, the figure was too small. There are orders of magnitude more.

My point is that when dealing w/that kind of evidence, you need to specify a reasonable number (i. e. 1-10)--how many citations do you want?
 
solletica said:
Yes, the figure was too small. There are orders of magnitude more.

My point is that when dealing w/that kind of evidence, you need to specify a reasonable number (i. e. 1-10)--how many citations do you want?
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You don't have anything...just admit it and stop wasting everyone's time.
 
apdst said:
You don't have anything...just admit it and stop wasting everyone's time.
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Er, you are the one wasting my time--it's not reasonable to post the entire cache of evidence here. Either specify a number (citation count), or don't ask.
 
solletica said:
Er, you are the one wasting my time--it's not reasonable to post the entire cache of evidence here. Either specify a number (citation count), or don't ask.
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Either be prepared to back up your comments, or don't make them.
 
apdst said:
Either be prepared to back up your comments, or don't make them.
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What do you want me to do :lol: Post 600,000,000+ citations? You're effectively asking me to prove that water is wet.

Everyone w/noodle knows that red-state America is far more corrupt (i. e. plutocratic) than the liberal/Libertarian states. In fact, it's hilarious that one could not know that; you want evidence, OK. Specify a number for how many citations you want (i. e. 1-5). Otherwise, asking for evidence for something like that is pretty silly.
 
MaggieD said:
The fact that she wanted to send a black kid who murdered someone playing a knockout game to rehab is proof of only one thing: the judge needs to be removed from the bench.
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:naughty
No MaggieD, it shows your previous comments,

MaggieD ~ But had the victims been black? .... that sentence would NEVER have been handed down.
If this had been a 16-year-old black boy, they'd have thrown away the key. ​

were pulled from where the sun don't shine.



And your present comment of "the judge needs to be removed" just shows that you do not understand the Juvenal Justice System.
Especially as she was operating within the law.

But apparently, in order for your sensibilities to be satiated you want the kid given a sentence of what? 20, 30, 40 or 50 years for an accident? in which he would only serve two years of any sentence given. Yeah, that is real sensible. :doh


DALLAS — The case of Ethan Couch exposes a controversial part of the justice system and raises the question of whether juveniles should go to prison when their actions result in deaths.

"The law almost assumes they can be rehabilitated," said John Cruezot, a retired state district judge. "Not in every instance, but in most instances, I think it's appropriate for a judge to start at that standpoint."

Cruezot said the criticism against Tarrant County Judge Jean Boyd over her sentencing of 16-year-old Couch is unfair.

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But, Cruezot said the judge was following the law.

"We don't know any of the information that was given to the judge and what she had to take into consideration to come to the conclusion," Cruezot said. "And, without that, it's hard to say she made a bad decision."

Sentence given to teen in deadly drunk driving crash spurs backlash | wfaa.com Dallas - Fort Worth​


I understand you don't like the sentence, but don't knee-jerk, talk smack and berate a Judge for doing their job, take up your dislike with the Juvenal Justice system.

And ya know, maybe if folks stopped going around making false racial bias claims, we could actually get down to addressing the real ones.
 
solletica said:
While in the ethan couch case, [...] but then given a light sentence by a judge who was most likely bribed in some fashion, a typical practice in red states where voters are generally too stupid to elect competent officials (i. e. judges).
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One, your statement is that which comes from a wild imagination.
Two, there is no evidence to support such ignorant contentions.
 
Excon said:
:doh

And?

The defense can say what ever they want.
It doesn't mean the Judge considered it.

The Judge not using it in her decision says that is not what happened here.
Or do you not understand these things?

The previous case brought up where she considered the same type of treatment sentence, also shows it wasn't a consideration.
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Still, its still an extremely pompous defense. And I'm not one to get worked up over things like this either.

I personally would've rather seen him in the juvy system. Or tried as an adult. But those are my feelings and I don't think the court system should be based off them.
 
ReformCollege said:
Still, its still an extremely pompous defense.
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Not really a defense.
This was during sentencing.

Regardless.
Can't be pompous if it is accurate.
 
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