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Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

I do..I'm in a far different "state teacher's account" than your "federal military account", but I'm in the same sinking public pension boat with you..

I make 75% of my average pay of my last 4 years..We had an ERO which let me out at 55-YOA and a 20% increase of pay the last two years..
Is that sustainable, HELL NO..Can I afford lowering it to say 60%, like Vermont,
which just went up from 50% with two more years of teaching, HELL YES..
It's silly for people to tell me to send back my money..It only works if all one million of us in Illinois do that..

Will the public feel sorry for a person who retired at 37-YOA after 20 years--not from what I'm hearing across-the-board..
Cutting back the percentage we get is the only way to bail these pensions out in the short term..
It's time for us to get pro-active before someone pulls a Detroit on us .
No, you care about yourself. Not banging on you for that. Just saying you do.
 
We need to let Boehner and Ryan know that we support them..

As partisan as I can be, I'll remind you of the hopeful epiphany I've had with the Pope..
Just heard that McConnell and Cornyn are voting No over either sequestration or the final budget well over sequestration numbers..


Boehner's had it with these kind of ****-heads who are being interviewed right now on MSNBC..

McConnell is scared to death he may lose his seat. Cook has Kentucky as a toss up state. Like I said, I won't shed any tears if he loses.
 
Where is there ANY evidence that we're planning on taking any steps forward? We spent since 2002 playing nice with Democrats who packed every Defense Authorization bill with additional spending and when our spineless "plan" handed the Democrats both houses they only packed more crap down our throats. Then 2010 came around and we made a little headway but since then the GOP fat cats have been slinking into the corner saying "I'm sorry" every time someone points out the futility of the status quo.

We didn't want the sequester but it was better to get something than nothing so we took that tiny win but now Ryan is handing it back PLUS other concessions. The basics of negotiation are to establish a win/win or you don't make a deal, not "take it up the poop chute until I make bottom bitch".

We capitulated in 2008 with McCain and then doubled down on that in 2012 with Romney and what have we gained? Tell me where all this "Mr Nice Guy" crap has paid off? Do you not have a freaking clue as to who we're dealing with? The Democrats HATE Capitalism and HATE individualism. They don't want independence and it's not just that they don't want it for themselves, they want it for you and me too!! They're willing to go to damned near any length to insure that we are all beholden to some central government for our wants and needs but for some ridiculous reason the "moderates' are sitting there saying "let's just play nice now".

You need to understand that these bastards have watched as a knife was stuck in the back of the American people and now they're trying to say that if we stop bitching about the pain they'll run and get us a bandaid.

It is your call buddy, do what you must.
 
How is giving up 20% of my retirement only caring about myself??
Do you think the administrators, who make twice as much as I do in retirement, would give back 20%??
How much is enough to the greedy Public Pensioneers who don't need it all or all of it??
Compare to the lowly paid Public Pensioneers like my Mom .
No, you care about yourself. Not banging on you for that. Just saying you do.
 
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McConnell can't win tacking to the right..I thought he was wiser than that..
His state of Kentucky led by Gov. Beshear will have some back-bite from a working PPACA..
And then it will be time to run Paul out of town in 2016 .
McConnell is scared to death he may lose his seat. Cook has Kentucky as a toss up state. Like I said, I won't shed any tears if he loses.
 
McConnell can't win tacking to the right..I thought he was wiser than that..
His state of Kentucky led by Gov. Beshear will have some back-bite from a working PPACA..
And then it will be time to run Paul out of town in 2016 .

When I worked at LBAD, Lexington Bluegrass Army Depot Kentucky was mostly Democratic. It would take someone like Jim Bunning to win a statewide race. But like Georgia, I do not Kentucky is a deep a red as everyone makes them out to be.
 
Whats interesting about that data is the "shut down" does not appear to have harmed the TEA party (keeping in mind they aren't a party), however the % that oppose the TEA party has dropped significantly.

Thats a bit counter to the narrative.

You got a point there. I looked at the graph and left it at that. The graph shows 30% favorable 51% unfavorable. But the narrative says For the first time, a slim majority of Americans say they have an unfavorable opinion of the Tea Party movement. About one-third view the movement favorably, a new low. A smaller percentage, 22%, in a separate question identify themselves as supporters of the movement, while 24% describe themselves as opponents. Nearly half (48%) are neutral.

So I take 24% of the people are opponents of the tea party while 51% view them unfavorable. 24% are supporters of the movement while 30% view them favorable and 48% are neutral but if one adds up 30 and 51 you come out with 81 which only leaves 19% who can be neutral or in the I don't know category.

So this thing is confusing, I expected more from Gallup.
 
So your governor is taking some heat over not extending Medicaid..
IIRC, you said he sucked..He could crack on Medicaid just to pander to the center..The tide's turning Pero .
When I worked at LBAD, Lexington Bluegrass Army Depot Kentucky was mostly Democratic. It would take someone like Jim Bunning to win a statewide race. But like Georgia, I do not Kentucky is a deep a red as everyone makes them out to be.
 
You got a point there. I looked at the graph and left it at that. The graph shows 30% favorable 51% unfavorable. But the narrative says For the first time, a slim majority of Americans say they have an unfavorable opinion of the Tea Party movement. About one-third view the movement favorably, a new low. A smaller percentage, 22%, in a separate question identify themselves as supporters of the movement, while 24% describe themselves as opponents. Nearly half (48%) are neutral.

So I take 24% of the people are opponents of the tea party while 51% view them unfavorable. 24% are supporters of the movement while 30% view them favorable and 48% are neutral but if one adds up 30 and 51 you come out with 81 which only leaves 19% who can be neutral or in the I don't know category.

So this thing is confusing, I expected more from Gallup.

Thats just the "analysis" article, usually they link to the raw data including what people were asked, sample pop and size, etc. Thats where the specifics are explained.
 
So your governor is taking some heat over not extending Medicaid..
IIRC, you said he sucked..He could crack on Medicaid just to pander to the center..The tide's turning Pero .

I haven't heard about Medicaid, but he is taking heat over other things. He came up with this secure driving license idea. You must show a birth certificate and other documentation to prove you are a citizen and resident of Georgia or naturalization paper or a green card to get a license. This has peeved people off from both parties. The voter ID is no big thing here, again from both parties as the idea started by in the late 90's when our governor was democratic along with the state legislature. So that was pretty much bipartisan at least then up till the time it was passed and before our local democrats got the word from the DNC to oppose it.

There is a bunch more stuff that has irked the population down here, but it looks like he will win as the Democrats seem intent on running an Atlanta Liberal instead of a more conservative democrat who could beat him. Michelle Nunn is doing just fine and as I said I give her a 50-50 shot.
 
Thats just the "analysis" article, usually they link to the raw data including what people were asked, sample pop and size, etc. Thats where the specifics are explained.

Like I said, I expected more from Gallup.
 
Thats how they always do it though. Most polling groups dont post raw data, but link to it.

I usually use RCP quite a lot to get my polling info. I have noticed most will give you the margin of error and the questions asked and the breakdown. But other just print a narrative and leave it that way. Then there are those who you have to pay or join their site to get the breakdown. Cheap bastards.
 
Tea partiers still don't get it. You're < 10% of the population. You were able to get the mainstream GOP to bow to your demands for a couple years due to populism but now that it has ended in disaster its over.

You're never going to get the whole U.S. to go along with your plans. You're never going to get a "real" Republican elected to the white house because we're already terrified of RINO's and they're only 1/4 to 1/3 tard.

Your best bet is to do what you do best, complain and sabotage. Where you all truly shine is wallowing in misery while throwing darts at a picture of Obama in your clubhouse. You can tell tales of how great things would be "if only" to those that will listen.
 
Tea partiers still don't get it. You're < 10% of the population. You were able to get the mainstream GOP to bow to your demands for a couple years due to populism but now that it has ended in disaster its over.

You're never going to get the whole U.S. to go along with your plans. You're never going to get a "real" Republican elected to the white house because we're already terrified of RINO's and they're only 1/4 to 1/3 tard.

Your best bet is to do what you do best, complain and sabotage. Where you all truly shine is wallowing in misery while throwing darts at a picture of Obama in your clubhouse. You can tell tales of how great things would be "if only" to those that will listen.

Lets find out together. You are right to be worried about the TEA party. ;)
 
It is not surprising that the critics are attacking the budget deal. Yet, if one looks beyond their rhetoric one finds:

1. The deal increases discretionary outlays, but also reduces direct spending by extending the sequester for two additional years for affected programs. The end result is that the cumulative federal deficit will be lower than would otherwise be the case. From CBO:

The legislation also would make several changes in programs that are not funded through annual appropriations, as well as a few changes that would affect federal revenues. In addition, the bill would extend across-the-board cuts (known as sequestration) in certain direct spending programs for an additional two years—2022 and 2023— beyond the period during which sequestration will apply under current law; those additional cuts would be the same percentage of spending required under current law for 2021. CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) estimate that, in total, those provisions would reduce direct spending by about $78 billion and increase revenues by about $7 billion over the 2014-2023 period. Thus, the legislation’s changes in direct spending and revenues would reduce deficits by roughly $85 billion over the next 10 years. Some of those changes also would affect discretionary spending, but such changes would be subject to appropriation and limited under the caps on annually appropriated funding.

CBO | Bipartisan Budget Act of 2013

2. The critics did not negotiate, much less conclude a more favorable fiscal deal than the one that was reached between Congressman Ryan and Senator Murray. Words are cheap. Actions matter more. Hence, if one is viewing things through an outcomes lens, Ryan and Murray were able to offer something tangible. The critics engaged in hollow posturing and nothing more.

3. There was a real need to conclude a deal to avert another self-inflicted government shutdown. Choices have consequences. Choosing to do nothing--as the critics apparently did with their lack of a separate negotiating track and lack of alternative agreement--only increased prospects of a shutdown.

In the end, the agreement will very likely pass both houses of Congress. While it falls far short of the kind of long-term fiscal consolidation necessary to begin to tackle the nation's long-term imbalances, it offers a small downpayment in that direction and it would avert a self-inflicted government shutdown. It is a victory of governance over posturing and the electorate chooses leaders to govern, not to posture.
 
The budget can only be cut so much at one time. With that said this budget disappoints me. When spending as much as we do there has to be some area we can find to cut more of.....hmmmmm
 
It is not surprising that the critics are attacking the budget deal. Yet, if one looks beyond their rhetoric one finds:

1. The deal increases discretionary outlays, but also reduces direct spending by extending the sequester for two additional years for affected programs. The end result is that the cumulative federal deficit will be lower than would otherwise be the case. From CBO:

They put the tough cuts (for example, from Medicare) in the Out-Years, knowing full well they would be repealed when we got there. This cuts spending only on paper. They will not occur in real life.

I'm net in favor of this deal, and I understand Ryan et. al. have to sell it, but let's not pretend it's a legitimate deficit decreaser.

2. The critics did not negotiate, much less conclude a more favorable fiscal deal than the one that was reached between Congressman Ryan and Senator Murray. Words are cheap. Actions matter more. Hence, if one is viewing things through an outcomes lens, Ryan and Murray were able to offer something tangible. The critics engaged in hollow posturing and nothing more.

That is true. The Venn Diagram Overlap in Congress right now is vanishingly small. This is roughly what could pass (sadly).

3. There was a real need to conclude a deal to avert another self-inflicted government shutdown. Choices have consequences. Choosing to do nothing--as the critics apparently did with their lack of a separate negotiating track and lack of alternative agreement--only increased prospects of a shutdown.

The counter to which is that this budget deal keeps us on track for a complete governmental fiscal collapse, which will be much, much worse than a partial temporary shutdown.

In the end, the agreement will very likely pass both houses of Congress. While it falls far short of the kind of long-term fiscal consolidation necessary to begin to tackle the nation's long-term imbalances, it offers a small downpayment in that direction and it would avert a self-inflicted government shutdown. It is a victory of governance over posturing and the electorate chooses leaders to govern, not to posture.

....sort of. If the goal is to use this to get us to a Republican Congress and Presidency that can actually run on and put through entitlement reform.... yes.

I'm willing to trust Ryan on that.
 
They put the tough cuts (for example, from Medicare) in the Out-Years, knowing full well they would be repealed when we got there. This cuts spending only on paper. They will not occur in real life.

I'm net in favor of this deal, and I understand Ryan et. al. have to sell it, but let's not pretend it's a legitimate deficit decreaser.



That is true. The Venn Diagram Overlap in Congress right now is vanishingly small. This is roughly what could pass (sadly).



The counter to which is that this budget deal keeps us on track for a complete governmental fiscal collapse, which will be much, much worse than a partial temporary shutdown.



....sort of. If the goal is to use this to get us to a Republican Congress and Presidency that can actually run on and put through entitlement reform.... yes.

I'm willing to trust Ryan on that.

They say politics is the art of the possible. The art is this deal is probably the only one that could pass both the house and the senate, hopefully as it isn't a done deal yet. I do get tired of both sides trying to push the impossible on each other. We shall see.
 
The budget can only be cut so much at one time. With that said this budget disappoints me. When spending as much as we do there has to be some area we can find to cut more of.....hmmmmm

There is, Senator Conrad of ND before he retired identified 20 agencies that basically do the same work. By that I mean you may have 2 or 3 agencies that are responsible for pretty much the same stuff and do the same work. There was 20 agencies total that could have been cut to 8 and the job would still get done without all the duplication. His bill went no where.
 
I agree with him, which may surprise you. Though I'm less concerned with how the Repubs look and more concerned with the fact that the deal, while not the most wonderful thing you could think of, beats the hell out of playing political chicken every few months.

On this I agree with you.

While not the greatest deal, it's a deal none the less, and should be taken, rather than another fiscal meltdown and, yet another, government shutdown of non-essential personal - (although, I have to ask, if they aren't essential, what are they doing there to being with? Why is the tax payer stuck paying more for government fat?)

Which the Democrats would use their media cudgel and beat everyone into believing that it's really the Republican's fault.

Further, one could hope that this is the first of the needed building blocks to further spending controls, as DC does have a spending problem and not a revenue (aka taxation) problem. Of course Democrats have a weak track record on honoring their longer term spending control commitments, so that'd have to be taken as a trust but verify approach by the Republicans, which I think is justified.

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Guess I had to throw that in for just a little bit of levity.

Another shutdown would basically destroy 2014 for the Republicans. The Democrats know this and had them basically where they wanted them. This probably was the best deal possible. Sometimes it is better to retreat a bit in order to fight another day with an eye on the big prize next November, The senate. Then there is the ACA.

If you remember last October the gap closed from 14-19 points in opposition to the ACA down to 4-10 points because of the shutdown. Now that gap is just getting back to where it was, another shut down may guarantee that law is here to stay. The Republicans will have to be adept not to fall into one of the pitfalls or Democratic Party trap between now and next November.


Astute observation. One I agree with.
 
There is, Senator Conrad of ND before he retired identified 20 agencies that basically do the same work. By that I mean you may have 2 or 3 agencies that are responsible for pretty much the same stuff and do the same work. There was 20 agencies total that could have been cut to 8 and the job would still get done without all the duplication. His bill went no where.

Oh my question was rhetorical, i know there is excessive waste and redundancy within the government.
 
How is giving up 20% of my retirement only caring about myself??
Do you think the administrators, who make twice as much as I do in retirement, would give back 20%??
How much is enough to the greedy Public Pensioneers who don't need it all or all of it??
Compare to the lowly paid Public Pensioneers like my Mom .
Dude, Im saying you don't care about ME OR ANY OTHER SERVICEMEMBER. You care about YOUR retirement. I could care less about all of the other crap you're talking about. You're totally missing the point here.
 
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