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Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

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Republican leaders defended a modest budget deal that would maintain government operations through 2015 amid conservative opposition that could scuttle the legislation in the House.
House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, lashed out at conservative advocacy groups that have encouraged GOP lawmakers to oppose a budget framework unveiled last night by Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., and Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash.
"They're using our members and they're using the American people for their own goals," an animated Boehner told reporters at the Capitol. "This is ridiculous." <snip>

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/11/21863224-boehner-lashes-out-at-conservative-groups-on-budget-deal?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=1

Methinks the GOP is headed for an implosion.
 
On this I think the conservatives would be wise to fold and let the left wallow in ofailurecare until November 2014. While I agree with the conservatives and would love to see our government shut off for a long while the Republican's can't control public perception by a greedy and arrogant leftist media that will destroy them over a "shut down."
 
More likely that Boehner is headed for the dustbin after the 2014 election. What surprises me is that the House republicans have allowed him to keep the position for this long.
 
He walks a tightrope unlike any other between tea party right and moderate RINO's to the left. I think he's done all right at that endeavor.

More likely that Boehner is headed for the dustbin after the 2014 election. What surprises me is that the House republicans have allowed him to keep the position for this long.
 
This "agreement" is being touted as cutting spending by $23B. That's not what it does.

It INCREASES spending by $63B this year while reducing projected spending increases by $23B over 10 years. It's garbage.
 
He walks a tightrope unlike any other between tea party right and moderate RINO's to the left. I think he's done all right at that endeavor.

Normaly I agree with you, but not here. He's kept the party divided and not managed well at all.
 
On this I think the conservatives would be wise to fold and let the left wallow in ofailurecare until November 2014. While I agree with the conservatives and would love to see our government shut off for a long while the Republican's can't control public perception by a greedy and arrogant leftist media that will destroy them over a "shut down."

Are you purposely trying to get my thread sent to the conspiracy section?
 
It doesn't matter.

The Democrats will find a way to oppose this budget deal.

Reid and his buddies will say one thing...do another...and, somehow, make it all the Republican's fault.
 
He walks a tightrope unlike any other between tea party right and moderate RINO's to the left. I think he's done all right at that endeavor.

That's where we differ. I call the Tea Party types RINO's. Who you call RINO's are republican's that are acting like republican's have acted for years, long before the rightwingnut movement came to be. You cannot just hijack the party and lay claim to the label "republican" as if it were your own, because it is not. In fact, I'd venture to say, in the republican party, you guys are the minority. Anyone from the GOP not agreeing with you, you call a RINO. You guys are the real RINO's. They were here first. Why don't you start your own party and let Republican's be?
 
'Atta boy, Ryan. Take a hit to some of the base. It will only increase your popularity later on.
 
It doesn't matter.

The Democrats will find a way to oppose this budget deal.

Reid and his buddies will say one thing...do another...and, somehow, make it all the Republican's fault.

Very true.
 
Someone in the party has to be a grownup and quell the tea party rabble.

They are killing the party, time to send this fringe folk home.
 
Republican leaders defended a modest budget deal that would maintain government operations through 2015 amid conservative opposition that could scuttle the legislation in the House.
House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, lashed out at conservative advocacy groups that have encouraged GOP lawmakers to oppose a budget framework unveiled last night by Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., and Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash.
"They're using our members and they're using the American people for their own goals," an animated Boehner told reporters at the Capitol. "This is ridiculous." <snip>

Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal - NBC Politics

Methinks the GOP is headed for an implosion.

I think it's democracy in action - and not the lock-step kind practiced on the left.
 
Someone in the party has to be a grownup and quell the tea party rabble.

They are killing the party, time to send this fringe folk home.

I think you're right. I, for one, would like to see the GOP get their **** together and kick these party hijacker's back to Bugtussle. They give the GOP a bad image.
 
I think you're right. I, for one, would like to see the GOP get their **** together and kick these party hijacker's back to Bugtussle. They give the GOP a bad image.

They really do, they are so shrill and asinine. I heard one TP rep on the radio get his butt handed to him the other day about some law they want changed, never mind that it wasn't constitutional (even Scalia was against it), the TP guy had nothing but emotion and angry rhetoric. They are all heat, and no light.
 
Not a fan of current congresses attempting to get savings by pushing something out a decade from now....basically relying on the notion that future congresses will actually stick to the plan as opposed to changing it themselves. I was a critic when the Obama Admin tries using these things to justify their "cost cutting" measures in the past by backloading everything to a point in time when they wouldn't be in office and couldn't guarantee they'd actually happen....and I'm a critic of it here.

I like the idea of trying to get some stability through 2015. I'd be willing to see the Sequester cuts reduced a small portion in order to get that stability. But a seemingly 2/3rds reduction in the sequester amount offset by cuts 10 years down the line is not a reasonable or rational compromise to me. Not when we've seen, time and time again, that you can't trust ANY party when they proclaim plans for that far into the future.
 
They really do, they are so shrill and asinine. I heard one TP rep on the radio get his butt handed to him the other day about some law they want changed, never mind that it wasn't constitutional (even Scalia was against it), the TP guy had nothing but emotion and angry rhetoric. They are all heat, and no light.

All hat and no cattle. LOL!
 
This would be the first time Boehner, with Cantor's approval, has spoken back to the Conservative whackos since Feb. 2011..
There's no way that Boehner and Cantor are going to let Ryan get thrown under the bus..
Boehner will ignore the "Hastert" rule, with a remarkably sane eye on the 2014 elections .
 
Boehner favors spending "cuts" that are actually spending increases but with promises to do better in goofy ten year plans. This is much like the Clinton budget surpluses that increased the national debt. Playing games with numbers is our congress critters' favorite part of the job.
 
More likely that Boehner is headed for the dustbin after the 2014 election. What surprises me is that the House republicans have allowed him to keep the position for this long.

Because it makes life pretty easy for them when they have a responsible guy they can criticize for making government work while they can demagogue to win their tea party base. If he was REALLY as unpopular on the right as you are led to believe he'd be gone. There's only one thing the Reps in Congress fear more than their Tea Party base...that Tea Party actions will cause massive damage to the country and the Republican brand
 
Not a fan of current congresses attempting to get savings by pushing something out a decade from now....basically relying on the notion that future congresses will actually stick to the plan as opposed to changing it themselves. I was a critic when the Obama Admin tries using these things to justify their "cost cutting" measures in the past by backloading everything to a point in time when they wouldn't be in office and couldn't guarantee they'd actually happen....and I'm a critic of it here.

I like the idea of trying to get some stability through 2015. I'd be willing to see the Sequester cuts reduced a small portion in order to get that stability. But a seemingly 2/3rds reduction in the sequester amount offset by cuts 10 years down the line is not a reasonable or rational compromise to me. Not when we've seen, time and time again, that you can't trust ANY party when they proclaim plans for that far into the future.

That's EXACTLY right.

The sequester was supposed to be a fixed deal but this...not even a year later, scuttles it.
 
Word is even McConnel might be voting against it.

Which, it should be pointed out, still allows it to pass. The big names will oppose it, and enough Republicans will join with enough Democrats to see it pass.

I find both the criticisms (that Republicans are trading away Sequestration for basically nothing) and William Kristols' argument here compelling.

...From the point of view of politics, the budget deal is a significant achievement. It averts a meltdown scenario next month, in which it would have become clear that House Republicans don't in fact have the votes in their own conference to insist on the budget caps and sequester. So the real alternative to the deal isn't a more fiscally conservative outcome achieved by Republican unity; it's GOP political disarray and policy defeat. The deal saves Republicans from this fate, while allowing for a focus throughout the next year and in the 2014 election season on Obamacare and other Obama administration failures, rather than on intra-GOP wars and possible government shutdowns....
 
Word is even McConnel might be voting against it.

Which, it should be pointed out, still allows it to pass. The big names will oppose it, and enough Republicans will join with enough Democrats to see it pass.

I find both the criticisms (that Republicans are trading away Sequestration for basically nothing) and William Kristols' argument here compelling.


I agree with him, which may surprise you. Though I'm less concerned with how the Repubs look and more concerned with the fact that the deal, while not the most wonderful thing you could think of, beats the hell out of playing political chicken every few months.
 
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