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Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal

Boehner doubles down. I was wondering when the GOP would take care of their "conservative" problems. Looks like they intend to get serious about the whackos that have been bastardizing the GOP brand.

Is it possible that my old party of choice might be returning to it's "kinder, gentler," root's? Time will tell.


House Speaker John Boehner is not sorry about his criticism of outside conservative groups.
“Yesterday, when the criticism was coming, frankly I thought it was my job and my obligation to stand up for conservatives here in the Congress who want more deficit reduction, to stand up for the work that Chairman Ryan did,” he told reporters Thursday at a press conference dominated by questions about his dismissal of outside organizations like the Heritage Foundation and the Club for Growth.

‘Frankly, I just think that they have lost all credibility,” he added.

Asked if he is effectively asking these organizations to stand down, Boehner offered this flat response: “I don’t care what they do.” <snip>

Boehner to outside groups: 'Are you kidding me?' - NBC Politics
 
Perotista said:
I would agree with that if the first shutdown hadn't happened. I said back then if the shutdown had been over spending I would have been onboard, but not over defunding Obamacare. I do not think the American people are ready for another shutdown this close to the last one, what ever the reason. I do not think it matters as to who is at fault or what it is all about, the Republicans would be tarred as the culprits who caused it. All you would hear from the public is, "Oh no, not again."
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See, I just don't think I believe that nor do I think it'd actually get to a shutdown if the Republicans were saying "1 year 'clean' CR continuing current spending levels".

I think that would be VERY difficult for the Democrats to spin, and they'd know that, and as such would be apt to accept it rather than let the government shut down again and gamble that the public anger won't be flipped considering the script of whose doing what will be flipped in such a situation.

I don't actually support the notion that we need to shut down the government right now....but my belief is that there's enough pressure to NOT shut down that it's plausible to negotiate a "clean" CR that maintains current levels.
 
So a guy with very little credibility is calling into question the credibility of others. Yep, that'll do much good
 
Zyphlin said:
So a guy with very little credibility is calling into question the credibility of others. Yep, that'll do much good
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Kinda like Dick Cheney calling Obama a liar. LOL!

More like, "Pot, meet kettle?"
 
Zyphlin said:
See, I just don't think I believe that nor do I think it'd actually get to a shutdown if the Republicans were saying "1 year 'clean' CR continuing current spending levels".

I think that would be VERY difficult for the Democrats to spin, and they'd know that, and as such would be apt to accept it rather than let the government shut down again and gamble that the public anger won't be flipped considering the script of whose doing what will be flipped in such a situation.

I don't actually support the notion that we need to shut down the government right now....but my belief is that there's enough pressure to NOT shut down that it's plausible to negotiate a "clean" CR that maintains current levels.
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It's possible, I see nothing wrong in trying that. But what happens if the Democrats do not respond as you think they might. I don't know how the public would see it, but perception is worth a lot more than reality. I do think most people who don't pay any or much attention to the daily politics of government, will just assume it is the republicans at it again. I may be wrong, but with what little the GOP had to bargain with, perhaps this is the best deal they could possibly get. We don't know that for certain, but with the Democrats wanting another shutdown to re-coop from the bad roll out of the ACA, I think they would welcome it.
 
clownboy said:
Heh, you have it with "at least 117 House members supported the TP stance". Doesn't mean they are controlled by the TP nor does it mean they are with the TP reps on everything. But you seem to be unaware of what you're saying - that it wasn't the TP that "forced a government shutdown". They are a exceedingly small part of the house and are not leadership.
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Yes...I have no idea what I'm saying..obviously the Tea Party is only as powerful as the number of people it caucuses with. That's the limit of it's influence.

They are the most engaged bloc of Republican voters. 62% of Tea Partiers say they vote in primaries compared to 50% of overall Republicans. 49% of Republican primary voters are made up of tea partiers according to a Pew Research poll
Opinion: Don

You don't have to caucus with the Tea party to understand that if you aren't sufficiently popular with the Tea party a large chunk of your primary voters will find someone to back. You have Senators in statewide elections with very conservative voting records ousted during Primaries by a Tea party supported opponent. The Tea Party's power is in the primary...not the number of individuals that caucus in the House
 
US Conservative said:
I think Boehner is on his way out.
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I'm curious too see how Far Right the Republicans in his district lean in this off-year election. If they elect a Tea Party candidate, the once solid GOP district may swing D because the area around Cincinnati is not that far Right. It'll make it interesting because Boehner usually runs unopposed.
 
Mycroft said:
It doesn't matter.

The Democrats will find a way to oppose this budget deal.

Reid and his buddies will say one thing...do another...and, somehow, make it all the Republican's fault.
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You described the whole Obama presidency
 
calamity said:
I'm curious too see how Far Right the Republicans in his district lean in this off-year election. If they elect a Tea Party candidate, the once solid GOP district may swing D because the area around Cincinnati is not that far Right. It'll make it interesting because Boehner usually runs unopposed.
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He may well keep his seat, just not be speaker any more. ;)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
He may well keep his seat, just not be speaker any more. ;)
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Probably would be a good move for both him and the party he no longer represents.
 
I'd say I was disappointed by this deal, but that would require me to be surprised. And frankly, the Republican Party is no longer capable of surprising me when it comes to betraying its supposed fiscally conservative ideals. The Republicans gave real, immediate spending increases in exchange for paper promises of spending cuts a decade down the road. Those cuts exist in the same realm as Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy - the land of make believe. In exchange for this betrayal of fiscal conservatism, what did the Republicans get? A big fat pile of nothing. With negotiating skills like that, I'm betting Ryan, Boehner, and the rest of the GOP establishment pay sticker price for their cars.

As for those saying it was a necessary evil in order to win the bigger fight of the upcoming elections, I ask is winning elections worth it if the cost is putting in people who make these kinds of "deals"? The end goal isn't simply to have a few more senators with an R next to their name. Or at least it shouldn't be. The goal should be to get a few more fiscally conservative senators in place, so we can start dealing with our spending problems.

And I don't buy that 1) the Democrats would've forced a shutdown or 2) that if they had, the Republicans would've shouldered the brunt of the blame. The Democrats squawked and squawked about how terrible and devastating the last shutdown was. They would look like the dumbest hypocrites in the world if they forced a shutdown with the Republicans offering what the Democrats fought for in the last shutdown war - a "clean" status quo budget. Furthermore, I think the Democratic leadership honestly believed its cries of disaster at the shutdown. Their own beliefs in the importance of government would not allow them to shut it down over something so minor.

As usual the GOP is far more concerned about getting elected than it is interested any sort of ideals like fiscal conservatism. And what is scary is, for such a cynical power hungry organization, they are HORRIBLE at making political calculations. They took a hardline stance in the last shutdown showdown with an impossible to win hand and now they fold in this showdown when they have virtually all the cards. I'd love to play poker with Boehner some day.
 
Captain America said:
Republican leaders defended a modest budget deal that would maintain government operations through 2015 amid conservative opposition that could scuttle the legislation in the House.
House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, lashed out at conservative advocacy groups that have encouraged GOP lawmakers to oppose a budget framework unveiled last night by Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., and Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash.
"They're using our members and they're using the American people for their own goals," an animated Boehner told reporters at the Capitol. "This is ridiculous." <snip>

Boehner lashes out at conservative groups on budget deal - NBC Politics

Methinks the GOP is headed for an implosion.
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These RINO's are no better than Obama and his submissive ilk...

There is no difference between a RINO and a progressive - they both believe they're Gods gift to man - it's that "affunenza" disease.

These ****ing sick rich clowns are responsible for every action in your life yet, patriots step up to the plate such as the Tea Party and the media is quick to do their best to destroy them, without reason or thought and on the pure basis of NOT questioning an elite progressive or RINO.....
 
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