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Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

I would truly hope not, BAC.

The photo you're using as your avatar appears to show a woman in military dress. US Army, if I don't miss my guess. I would like to believe the average US Soldier is intelligent enough and has sufficient situational awareness to understand how poor a choice opening up relations with any foreign government is, nevermind one that is communist in nature.

'Communist in nature' lol

This is where America is kinda funny. In the 1950s and 1960s pretty much every western country had the same feeling of communist countries. They are bad, we are good. In the 1970s and 1980s western countries got to know the communist block countries. The fear subsided. The disagreements about how a country should be run continued though. Now every western country regurlary visits communist countries, the U.S. included. One exception is Cuba. The most insignificant, miniscule communist country there is. America still hates Cuba. Why? Because when Cuba went communist they kicked out all of the American companies. They cost American companies lots of money. They made a great vacation spot, Havana, off limits.

The American rich felt the pain. The American rich control their government. The American rich wanted pay back. They got it.

Now, 55 years later, perhaps it is time for Americans to open up relations with Cuba, to trade with Cuba. I don't think Cuba poses a big threat. I am convinced that most Americans can resist the political culture of Cuba, and not be drawn in.

I am sure that if America befriends Cuba that in 50 years the USA will still not be communist. Plus they will be able to smoke better cigars :)

All western countries have relaxed their stance against communist countries. In most western countries the term communist is not bad, it is just a description of a political philosophy. Now, in the 21st century, it is time for America to catch up. Stop using the term commy to demean. Base your international relationships on something relevent. Be consistent. Don't decide China is good, because you would be screwed without them, but Cuba is bad because they are screwed without you.
 
So let me get this straight -- you are claiming that over half of the American electorate are communists, be they admitted or "in denial."



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No, half of Obama's base are knowingly communist/socialist sympathizers and the other half ARE socialists but they're just too stupid to know it because they're not educated enough to put their politics into context, social or economic...

This can easily be proved.
 
'Communist in nature' lol

This is where America is kinda funny. In the 1950s and 1960s pretty much every western country had the same feeling of communist countries. They are bad, we are good. In the 1970s and 1980s western countries got to know the communist block countries. The fear subsided. The disagreements about how a country should be run continued though. Now every western country regurlary visits communist countries, the U.S. included. One exception is Cuba. The most insignificant, miniscule communist country there is. America still hates Cuba. Why? Because when Cuba went communist they kicked out all of the American companies. They cost American companies lots of money. They made a great vacation spot, Havana, off limits.

The American rich felt the pain. The American rich control their government. The American rich wanted pay back. They got it.

Now, 55 years later, perhaps it is time for Americans to open up relations with Cuba, to trade with Cuba. I don't think Cuba poses a big threat. I am convinced that most Americans can resist the political culture of Cuba, and not be drawn in.

I am sure that if America befriends Cuba that in 50 years the USA will still not be communist. Plus they will be able to smoke better cigars :)

All western countries have relaxed their stance against communist countries. In most western countries the term communist is not bad, it is just a description of a political philosophy. Now, in the 21st century, it is time for America to catch up. Stop using the term commy to demean. Base your international relationships on something relevent. Be consistent. Don't decide China is good, because you would be screwed without them, but Cuba is bad because they are screwed without you.

Pray tell, what benevolent nation are you from, where the wealthy have no power? :roll:
 
Pray tell, what benevolent nation are you from, where the wealthy have no power? :roll:

lol

Is there such a nation?

I am not saying it was a bad thing, an unexpected thing nor an unusual thing for the US wealthy to use their government to strike back at Cuba. I am only saying it must be time for some kind of advancement in relations.

The U.S.A. is one country where, although there is supposed to be total freedom, I would be worried about running for dog catcher under the American Communist party banner. My dogs might get bombed :)
 
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No, half of Obama's base are knowingly communist/socialist sympathizers and the other half ARE socialists but they're just too stupid to know it because they're not educated enough to put their politics into context, social or economic...

This can easily be proved.

And you've just been taking your tweet time getting on to the proof part, right?
 
No, half of Obama's base are knowingly communist/socialist sympathizers and the other half ARE socialists but they're just too stupid to know it because they're not educated enough to put their politics into context, social or economic...

This can easily be proved.

No, it can't.

FYI, "socialism" does not mean "things Mr. Nick doesn't like."
 
lol

Is there such a nation?

I am not saying it was a bad thing, an unexpected thing nor an unusual thing for the US wealthy to use their government to strike back at Cuba. I am only saying it must be time for some kind of advancement in relations.

The U.S.A. is one country where, although there is supposed to be total freedom, I would be worried about running for dog catcher under the American Communist party banner. My dogs might get bombed :)

Its always on the US to "advance" relations, isnt it? The time of the totalitarian communist dictator has gone, let them advance.

The irony is that for all of the neo-marxist hate of the US and capitalism-there is no delivery vehicle from poverty than capitalism. How do you like them apples?
 
'Communist in nature' lol

This is where America is kinda funny. In the 1950s and 1960s pretty much every western country had the same feeling of communist countries. They are bad, we are good. In the 1970s and 1980s western countries got to know the communist block countries. The fear subsided. The disagreements about how a country should be run continued though. Now every western country regurlary visits communist countries, the U.S. included. One exception is Cuba. The most insignificant, miniscule communist country there is. America still hates Cuba. Why? Because when Cuba went communist they kicked out all of the American companies. They cost American companies lots of money. They made a great vacation spot, Havana, off limits.

The American rich felt the pain. The American rich control their government. The American rich wanted pay back. They got it.

Now, 55 years later, perhaps it is time for Americans to open up relations with Cuba, to trade with Cuba. I don't think Cuba poses a big threat. I am convinced that most Americans can resist the political culture of Cuba, and not be drawn in.

I am sure that if America befriends Cuba that in 50 years the USA will still not be communist. Plus they will be able to smoke better cigars :)

All western countries have relaxed their stance against communist countries. In most western countries the term communist is not bad, it is just a description of a political philosophy. Now, in the 21st century, it is time for America to catch up. Stop using the term commy to demean. Base your international relationships on something relevent. Be consistent. Don't decide China is good, because you would be screwed without them, but Cuba is bad because they are screwed without you.

Or those who were sympathetic to communism in the 60's and 70's now run our government and our education institutions? ever think about that?

Higher learning is already infested with outspoken socialists - radical communists - that freely brainwash youth....

You really think in this day in age the communists that exist in the US have any desire to fight their war with guns and coups? hell no - they damn well know the way you employ communism is through "progress" and the only way to achieve that is via government and education institutions..... They don't have the cannon fodder for a revolution, however they do have the time to brainwash kids with their politics.......

I could write a book on this ****....

Marx to Lennin to Stalin to Mao to Ho Chi Minh to the SDS to the Weather Underground to professors to government...... That's ****ing "progress" to the communist.
 
No, it can't.

FYI, "socialism" does not mean "things Mr. Nick doesn't like."

What can't?

No socialism means socialism - kinda like the overall goal of unions is socialism and democrats er "progressives" love them some unions.

Funny how you're defending socialism now....

"socialism" does not mean "things Mr. Nick doesn't like."

^ do you have any idea how many times I have heard that verbatim???

You must have gotten that out of the "progressive handbook" that progressives love to hand out...

Funny how you need someone to tell you what to say to defend the progressive party while you sit here and claim these clowns aren't communist....
 
Its always on the US to "advance" relations, isnt it? The time of the totalitarian communist dictator has gone, let them advance.

The irony is that for all of the neo-marxist hate of the US and capitalism-there is no delivery vehicle from poverty than capitalism. How do you like them apples?

I have no argument with anything you have said. I am not defending communism I am just saying that it is not the big scary boogie man. We know it well enough now that we do not need to fear it. My favourite quote about communism is that for it to work, all people must be perfect. I have already ruled myself out.

I don't understand why the U.S. can deal with China and Russia but cannot tolerate a handshake with a Cuban. It seems strange to me.
 
What can't?

No socialism means socialism - kinda like the overall goal of unions is socialism and democrats er "progressives" love them some unions.

Funny how you're defending socialism now....

"socialism" does not mean "things Mr. Nick doesn't like."

^ do you have any idea how many times I have heard that verbatim???

You must have gotten that out of the "progressive handbook" that progressives love to hand out...

Funny how you need someone to tell you what to say to defend the progressive party while you sit here and claim these clowns aren't communist....

I'm not "defending socialism." I'm saying that, if you think more than half of the American electorate is socialist, then you have no idea what socialism means. And the idea that the "ultimate goal of unions is socialism" is laughably stupid.
 
Or those who were sympathetic to communism in the 60's and 70's now run our government and our education institutions? ever think about that?

Higher learning is already infested with outspoken socialists - radical communists - that freely brainwash youth....

You really think in this day in age the communists that exist in the US have any desire to fight their war with guns and coups? hell no - they damn well know the way you employ communism is through "progress" and the only way to achieve that is via government and education institutions..... They don't have the cannon fodder for a revolution, however they do have the time to brainwash kids with their politics.......

I could write a book on this ****....

Marx to Lennin to Stalin to Mao to Ho Chi Minh to the SDS to the Weather Underground to professors to government...... That's ****ing "progress" to the communist.

First of all, if you want to be taken seriously in debates I would remove the 'John Galt reference' I like fiction authors too, but i don't let them inform my political views.

secondly . I guess there is no secondly, I just can't take you seriously. (see firstly)
 
I'm not "defending socialism." I'm saying that, if you think more than half of the American electorate is socialist, then you have no idea what socialism means. And the idea that the "ultimate goal of unions is socialism" is laughably stupid.
If unions don't believe in that then why do they believe that businesses only exist to employ them? why are they so anti-profit? why the **** do they protest every time their contract is up?

Profits go down yet union salaries go up -- if unions were so ****ing "capitalist" they would realize that, understand that and deal with that, yet they DONT. You see - unions generally don't go backwards - they only go forwards...

NO, you were defending socialism... You attempting to claim I was ignorant to socialism may as well read: "you must pass socialism to see whats in it" - like you're selling it as Obamacare (which is pseudo-communism btw).

If you disagree with me tell me some of the capitalist/free market ideas that democrats/progressives adhere to. Certainly if the "left" embraces capitalism so much you can blast some ideas off.
 
If unions don't believe in that then why do they believe that businesses only exist to employ them? why are they so anti-profit? why the **** do they protest every time their contract is up?

Profits go down yet union salaries go up -- if unions were so ****ing "capitalist" they would realize that, understand that and deal with that, yet they DONT. You see - unions generally don't go backwards - they only go forwards...

NO, you were defending socialism... You attempting to claim I was ignorant to socialism may as well read: "you must pass socialism to see whats in it" - like you're selling it as Obamacare (which is pseudo-communism btw).

If you disagree with me tell me some of the capitalist/free market ideas that democrats/progressives adhere to. Certainly if the "left" embraces capitalism so much you can blast some ideas off.

Democrats and liberals are all for companies making profit, as long as they don't screw their workers or the environment to do it.

Obamacare, which is basically mandatory insurance with partially subsidized exchanges, is "pseudo-Communism"? Again, you simply have no idea what you're talking about.
 
First of all, if you want to be taken seriously in debates I would remove the 'John Galt reference' I like fiction authors too, but i don't let them inform my political views.

secondly . I guess there is no secondly, I just can't take you seriously. (see firstly)

I don't give a **** if you take me seriously or not, however apparently you do because you're calling me out....

I'm not here to "debate" - there is no goddamn debate - there is only the gorilla in the room pretending to be a mouse. I'm here to call the obvious out - not debate the obvious.



I'm
 
Democrats and liberals are all for companies making profit, as long as they don't screw their workers or the environment to do it.

Obamacare, which is basically mandatory insurance with partially subsidized exchanges, is "pseudo-Communism"? Again, you simply have no idea what you're talking about.

What a subjective statement there....... To labor unions anything but an equal split in profits among the employees er "workers" is "screwing the employees over"...... Don't even lie and say that's not the goddamn case...... You think I live in a cave pal??? I live in Chicago and see plenty of union rallies, progressive rallies, DNC rallies, and you know what popular at those rallies and protests??? COMMUNISM! communist books, propaganda, flags, signs, speech, buttons. Pro Mao, Marx, Guevara, Castro, Stalin t-shirts.... Now you deny these unions and progressives when around one another DONT work themselves up into a radical communist frenzy?

I have no idea what I'm talking about?

You're the one speaking for the ****ing democrat party....

I don't believe one word you say! The sad part is that I think you actually believe what you say...
 
I have no idea what I'm talking about?

That's right, you don't. I don't buy your anecdotal evidence for a second. I've been to union rallies before, and saw precisely ZERO "communist books, propaganda, etc."
 
Democrats and liberals are all for companies making profit, as long as they don't screw their workers or the environment to do it.

Obamacare, which is basically mandatory insurance with partially subsidized exchanges, is "pseudo-Communism"? Again, you simply have no idea what you're talking about.

whoa, stop right there. You are trying to make sense. This will never do.

don't you have any preconceived misconceptions you can throw out? That is what you need for this debate
 
Democrats and liberals are all for companies making profit, as long as they don't screw their workers or the environment to do it.

What this actually means, is that you are for profit as long as they do everything you and your statist buddies tell them to do.
 
That's right, you don't. I don't buy your anecdotal evidence for a second. I've been to union rallies before, and saw precisely ZERO "communist books, propaganda, etc."

That's right, you don't. I don't buy your anecdotal evidence for a second. I've been to union rallies before, and saw precisely ZERO "communist books, propaganda, etc."

It all depends where you live too... Chicago unions are hardcore communists and they make absolutely ZERO effort to hide that. I wouldn't expect the same thing to occur in a small city in Montana where 20-30 union members are protesting.... I'm talking thousands of collectivists here in Chicago protesting for Red Amy ****....

You ever hear of OWS?

That is another fine example - I was down in Chicago for that **** - 90% were blatant communists and the rest were libertarians - of course the libertarians did their best to keep a distance from those dirty communist freaks....... I've never seen anything so disgusting my entire life. Half of the idiots didn't even know what was going on, the other half were marching at the beat of a drum like sheeple from Orwells 1984.... A "leader" would say some crazy pro-communist propaganda then the entire "clan" under that "leader" or "chapter" would repeat everything the leader said. They were like zombies - it was creepy.

So, I'm not interested in hearing your denial in what I have seen first hand....

These people are evil and they will sell their soul to the devil if it means the government steals from the wealthy and gives to THEM - THE LAZY YOUTH OF AMERICA - OR GIVES THEM A JOB THEY CAN SLACK OFF IN WHILE HIDING BEHIND A UNION....

I wouldn't be here right now arguing about this if I wasn't concerned about it....

This is how you destroy capitalism tho - something they want.

The Naked Communist is alive an well today, which is the blueprint for destroying capitalism... They're the ones responsible for the destruction of capitalism - that's their goal - through unions, regulations, taxation, government dictation... We don't even have capitalism anymore - we have forces destroying "capitalism" while these ****ing communists blame capitalism as the root of the fail of capitalism and PROGRESSIVES BUY IT.............Unions make it impossible to do business - now these asshats actually demand 15 bucks an hour??? yeah that sounds like anti-capitalism to me - the best part is that these morons may as well be pricing themselves out of their own jobs...

These people operate on hate of capitalism, the hate of profits and the hate of work...
 
Kalle Lasn and Adbusters
>" The individual most responsible for launching OWS was Kalle Lasn, a longtime documentary producer, radical environmentalist, and, by his own telling, lifelong “student of revolution.” Denouncing American consumerism as an “ecologically unsustainable” and “psychologically corrosive” phenomenon, Lasn has long derided “the dog-eat-dog world of capitalism” as “a destructive system” that has caused “a terrible degradation of our mental environment.” He especially detests capitalism's handmaiden, consumerism, which he blames for having spawned many disastrous “environmental, psychological, and political consequences.” In an effort to “wreck this world” of consumerism, Lasn in 1989 co-founded the Adbusters Media Foundation.

Lasn reports that in mid-2011 he and his fellow Adbusters staffers, “inspired” by the events of the Arab Spring, “thought that America” was likewise “ripe for this type of [mass] rage.” “Deep in recession and with scary ecological scenarios looming,” said Adbusters, “now may be the ripest moment we’ll ever have to power-shift global capitalism onto a new sustainable path.”

Further, Lasn was confident that young Americans' “despondency” over such concerns as “climate change,” “corruption in Washington,” and the “decline” of their country, would significantly increase the likelihood that the U.S. might experience “a Tahrir moment” of sorts—i.e., an opportunity for revolutionary change. (The reference was to Tahrir Square, a Cairo plaza that was a key site during the dramatic events of the Egyptian Revolution in early 2011.) Emboldened also by “that sort of anarchy cred” which the civil disobedience/“hacktivism” group Anonymous had been demonstrating in recent times, Lasn and his Adbusters associates brainstormed ideas for effecting “some kind of a soft regime change” that would diminish the political influence of “finances,” “lobbyists,” and “corporations.” On June 9, 2011, Lasn registered the domain name “OccupyWallStreet.org” and thus gave birth to the movement which he hoped would help “pull the current monster down”*—i.e., the two-headed serpent of capitalism and consumerism..."<

ALLIES OF OWS :

Take The Square
A notable ally of OWS is an organization called Take The Square (TTS), which aims “to change an unfair system”—i.e., free-market capitalism and its “corporate rule of our lives”—by implementing “specific and feasible alternatives” that will “improve life on this planet for all its inhabitants,” particularly “the 99%” who “demand [their] share.” In Marxist tradition, TTS proposes “global ... solutions” that emphasize “solidarity” among “human beings fighting and acting together regardless of [geographic] borders.”

ACORN and its Reincarnations
Operatives of the now-defunct community organization ACORN, which reconstituted itself into numerous state and regional groups bearing a variety of different names, have played a major role in organizing the OWS protests nationwide. For instance, the Working Families Party (WFP), a longtime ACORN front, helped mobilize the demonstrations in New York City. WFP organizer Nelini Stamp boasts of her organization's effort to bring “revolutionary change” to “the capitalist system” that is “not working for any of us.”

Newer ACORN offshoots are likewise deeply involved with OWS...



Communist Party USA
The Communist Party USA (CPUSA) has also been involved in OWS's formation and early growth...

Labor Unions
OWS has enjoyed strong support from many labor unions and federations representing millions of public-sector workers, such as the AFL-CIO, the AFSCME, the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), and the United Federation of Teachers. AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka, who helped rescind a founding AFL-CIO rule which banned Communist Party members and loyalists from leadership positions within the Federation,...

Bill Ayers
Actively supporting OWS is the infamous Bill Ayers, the unrepentant former Weather Underground terrorist...

MoveOn.org
In October 2011, the left-wing activist group MoveOn.org announced its plan to launch a protest movement of its own to complement “the amazing work being done by brave Occupy Wall Street protesters,

Democratic Party Supporters of OWS:
A number of left-wing Democratic political figures have voiced praise for OWS. To cite just a few:

President Barack Obama, who had articulated a host of disparaging public references to such villains as the “millionaires and billionaires,” the “corporate jet owners,” and the “fat cat bankers on Wall Street” who allegedly were not paying their “fair share” in taxes, stated that he “understand the frustrations that are being expressed” by OWS.
United States Senate candidate and former Obama appointee Elizabeth Warren expressed her fervent “support” for OWS and boasted, “I created much of the intellectual foundation for what they [the protesters] do.”
“God bless them,” former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi said of OWS's “young,” “spontaneous,” and “focused” foot soldiers.
Former President Bill Clinton called OWS “on balance … a positive thing.”
Former Vermont governor and DNC chairman Howard Dean said, “I've been waiting for something like this to happen.... I'm glad to see all these young people on Wall Street.”
Praising OWS as “the first step in the right direction,” former vice president Al Gore said enthusiastically: “Count me among those supporting and cheering on the Occupy Wall Street movement.”
Minnesota congressman Keith Ellison asserted that “Occupy Wall Street's anger is justified” and its message “is being spread using the best tradition of American populist movements.”
Onetime senator Russ Feingold lauded OWS for mounting a “long overdue” assault on “corporate power and corporate greed.”
Congressional Progressive Caucus co-chair Raul Grijalva was “inspired by growing grassroots movements on Wall Street and across the country.”
Illinois congresswoman Jan Schakowsky cast OWS as an “unstoppable” movement that “has made a real difference” in focusing Americans' attention on the problem of “inequality.”
New York city councilman (and former Black Panther) Charles Barron was “very impressed” with OWS, predicting that the movement would “catch on like wildfire” because “conditions are ripe for revolution, for radical change.”


Occupy Wall Street (OWS) - Discover the Networks
 
What this actually means, is that you are for profit as long as they do everything you and your statist buddies tell them to do.

WOW, One is left to believe that protecting workers rights along with the air we breathe and water we drink were selfish ideals!
 
If unions don't believe in that then why do they believe that businesses only exist to employ them? why are they so anti-profit? why the **** do they protest every time their contract is up?

Profits go down yet union salaries go up -- if unions were so ****ing "capitalist" they would realize that, understand that and deal with that, yet they DONT. You see - unions generally don't go backwards - they only go forwards...

NO, you were defending socialism... You attempting to claim I was ignorant to socialism may as well read: "you must pass socialism to see whats in it" - like you're selling it as Obamacare (which is pseudo-communism btw).

If you disagree with me tell me some of the capitalist/free market ideas that democrats/progressives adhere to. Certainly if the "left" embraces capitalism so much you can blast some ideas off.
I don't recall ever reading about a union demanding that the government take over and run their member's employer, do you?

Socialism: It has a meaning. That meaning is not "any government program I disagree with". That meaning is the government controlling the means of production. Maxine Waters thinks that's a terrific idea. Hardly anyone in the US agrees with her.
 
WOW, One is left to believe that protecting workers rights along with the air we breathe and water we drink were selfish ideals!

You falsely assume that unions now defend workers rights, and that they (or you) are actually champions of the environment. We know conditions were improving regardless of unions, we know working conditions are better for union employees in the US vs europe where there are more and more invasive unions, and we know that unions have been in decline in the us for decades without the sky falling. Next.
 
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