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Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

Montecresto said:
As has been pointed out by others too, I said Cubans. The Cuban people don't deserve endless suffering over decades old real or perceived trouble with Cuban leadership. We have far better relations with much worse dictators around the world, some of our own creation.
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That's nice and the Cuban people deserve the leadership they chose. We have relationships with worse leaders only when it benefits us, our nation. If Cuba wants to normalize let them come begging otherwise leave them to their own devices.
 
annata said:
ts not your call, it's not the US call. Castro has out lived many presidents, and we tried the Bay of Pigs.
Everything the US had done -even the "wet foot" policy of immigration is peculiar, and un-needed with Cuba.
They are a sovereign country, we have no right to tell them how to run their govt.

Besides all this it's counterproductive.
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We wont tell them how to run their govt-we just wont trade with them. ;)

They can drive their 70 year old cars and enjoy their wonderful healthcare.

Its a shame you draw a line at defending totalitarian regimes. :(
 
clownboy said:
Not precisely the same. The ME and African countries we trade with have something we need for trade, Cuba, not so much. We'd just be taking on more foreign welfare.
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What - you don't want Cuban cigars? What do we get from other countries except the oil countries? You think Saudi Arabia is nicer than Cuba? At least Cuba has great, cheap resorts that everyone else in the world enjoys and we can't. Most African countries have little to offer, less than Cuba.
 
rocket88 said:
Obama doesn't have to worry about that anymore
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No, but he still has to be concerned about who he alienates from the Democratic Party.

Failure to recognize Cuba for the past 53 years is pure politics, starting with the cold war (which has been over for 22 years now) and ending with party politics. There is no logical reason for it.
 
US Conservative said:
We wont tell them how to run their govt-we just wont trade with them. ;)

They can drive their 70 year old cars and enjoy their wonderful healthcare.

Its a shame you draw a line at defending totalitarian regimes. :(
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In the intervening 53 years the Berlin Wall crumbled, the Iron Curtain rusted, the US has normalized relations with Vietnam, China and other former communist countries and dictatorships with current abysmal human rights records. While it is true that human rights are being violated in Cuba, much of these violations are taking place at the US Naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

It is estimated that at this point the embargo costs the U.S. more than it does Cuba. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce calculates that the embargo costs the US $1.2 billion per year in lost sales and exports. The Cuban Policy Foundation estimates it costs the U.S. economy $3.6 billion per year in economic output.

The embargo has only strengthened the resolve of the Cuban government and put the average Cuban citizens, who live only 90 miles from Florida, in severe economic hardship; denying them food, clean water, medicine, and cool American clothing, movies and cars.
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Time to End the Cuban Embargo | David Mager

it's reactive thinking, it's outdated, it's counterproductive, and it's peculiar to Cuba, that we single them out for totalitaian regime.

Boycott China???? Then why Cuba?
 
US Conservative said:
We wont tell them how to run their govt-we just wont trade with them. ;)

They can drive their 70 year old cars and enjoy their wonderful healthcare.

Its a shame you draw a line at defending totalitarian regimes. :(
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What's amusing is the U.S. won't deal with Cuba, but has no problem dealing with Saudis, China, and other dictators. COMPLETELY hypocritical.

On one hand you complain that people defend totalitarian regimes, yet have no comment on the U.S. doing business with other totalitarian regimes. Seems hypocritical to me.
 
US Conservative said:
Michael Moore says Cuba is awesome! :)
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Well....why didn't he go swimming and hanging out on the beach when he was there?
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I'd visit Cuba in a heartbeat. I have Canadian friends who have been there numerous times and love it.
 
Dittohead not! said:
There is a very solid reason why we haven't normalized relations with Cuba all these years. No, it has nothing to do with Communism or Cuba being any sort of a threat to the US. It has to do with the numbers of Cuban Americans living in Florida who have achieved citizenship and therefore vote in our elections. They despise Castro with a white hot rage, and would vote against any candidate who even suggested that normalizing relations with Castro would be even a remote possibility. That candidate would lose Florida, which tends to be a swing state.

Therefore, we don't normalize relations with Cuba.
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yes. the old guard in Miami, will never forget Castro seizing property, and the political prisioners.


Florida new Cubans ( born here, ) are typical Hispanic voters, in that they are more concerned with their contemporary life,
then clinging to the Embargo
 
specklebang said:
What - you don't want Cuban cigars? What do we get from other countries except the oil countries? You think Saudi Arabia is nicer than Cuba? At least Cuba has great, cheap resorts that everyone else in the world enjoys and we can't. Most African countries have little to offer, less than Cuba.
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Not particularly, not really a fan of cigars. And as I explained, it's not a matter of nice. SA has oil we trade for. And the African nations we do business with all have pretty significant resources we trade for. Cuba has nothing we need and we have plenty of our own resorts.
 
eohrnberger said:
Couldn't have said that any better than this.

Yeah, this is as big a non-event has I've ever seen. Right on par with 'Surprise! Obama behaves properly at solemn event'.

Anything to detract from the continued bad news of ObamaCare.
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ARe you saying Obama manufactured the outrage to distract?
 
Helix said:
if they had duked it out instead, which one would you have rooted for?
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Round 1: Obama bows a feint to the front. Castro swings and misses, and his cigar falls out of his mouth. Nikita Kruschev rings the bell, and declares both candidates have knocked each other out. Ronald Reagan knocks Kruschev out. Breshnev moves in and kicks Reagan in the balls. Nancy Reagan knocks Breshnev out. Boris Yeltzin passes out dead drunk. And, finally, France surrenders. What a match!!
 
rocket88 said:
ARe you saying Obama manufactured the outrage to distract?
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Outrage? How about pointless pablum?

No, Obama didn't manufacture anything.

All Obama's supports and ObamaCare supporters are so desperate to change the subject (that would include the Biased Lame Stream Media) it would appear they are resorting to this to try and do so.

Obama's shaking hands with Castro is about as much a non-events as was ever possible. Like 'So What'?
 
I hope Obama doesn't try to bow and shake Mandela's hand.
 
annata said:
Time to End the Cuban Embargo | David Mager

it's reactive thinking, it's outdated, it's counterproductive, and it's peculiar to Cuba, that we single them out for totalitaian regime.

Boycott China???? Then why Cuba?
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Its reactive even 50 years later. :)

Sorry, theres no real incentive for the US, its entirely to Cuba's benefit-Cuba has chosen to be ruled by totalitarian thugs, and so Cuba gets the consequences of being ruled by totalitarian thugs.
 
eohrnberger said:
Outrage? How about pointless pablum?

No, Obama didn't manufacture anything.

All Obama's supports and ObamaCare supporters are so desperate to change the subject (that would include the Biased Lame Stream Media) it would appear they are resorting to this to try and do so.

Obama's shaking hands with Castro is about as much a non-events as was ever possible. Like 'So What'?
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Well don't forget there is always a tragedy that can be used.....up next. Sandy Hook Recordings that Most of the country doesn't want to hear. ;)
 
annata said:
yes. the old guard in Miami, will never forget Castro seizing property, and the political prisioners.


Florida new Cubans ( born here, ) are typical Hispanic voters, in that they are more concerned with their contemporary life,
then clinging to the Embargo
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Perhaps, then, one day we will actually normalize relations with Cuba. Of course, Castro will be long gone by then, Communism just a dusty page in a history book, and the cold war long forgotten.
 
MMC said:
Well don't forget there is always a tragedy that can be used.....up next. Sandy Hook Recordings that Most of the country doesn't want to hear. ;)
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Yeah. Really.

Then Obama's and the administration's repeat of the diversion of adding yet more useless and ineffective gun control laws. Never mind that the 3 or 4 highest gun crime cities in the country are long time Democratic / liberal / progressive strong holds.
 
clownboy said:
What you call a small gesture has become a pattern over the course of his presidency. Granted, one or two times, that could be dismissed. But it's part of a pattern that shows weakness.
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Not really. It's kind of dumb to make that assertion when so many presidents have done similar things with other heads of state.

clownboy said:
You know, in Russia, folks on the street still call Obama Putin's bitch.
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Who cares?
 
rocket88 said:
Obama would have to bend slightly to look Castro in the eye given their relative heights.
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...it being a well-known fact that necks are incapable of movement.
 
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