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Obama shakes hands with Cuba's Castro in 'gesture of hope'

eohrnberger said:
OK, so I just couldn't help but put these these 2 things together:
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Hey Now!!
 
disneydude said:
What is your hang-up with bowing? In many cultures, bowing is the form or greeting like a handshake. You are seriously reading waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much into this. Its actually kinda funny.
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Not in America and not in Cuba. Even if it was, the American President should not bow to the Cuban leader under any circumstances.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
He is a dictator and as such needs to appear powerful and relevant on the world stage. Obama played right into that for him. It's a great photo op and will be front page for days in castros news papers.
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That is for sure.
 
Montecresto said:
As has been pointed out by others too, I said Cubans. The Cuban people don't deserve endless suffering over decades old real or perceived trouble with Cuban leadership. We have far better relations with much worse dictators around the world, some of our own creation.
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You think the Cubans are suffering because the US won't send money?

Cuba trades with many other countries.

Cubans are like they are because of their government. It is not the fault of the US.
 
US Conservative said:
We could have started by NOT flexing, and then immediately flinching like Obama did. All Obama did was diminish our credibility, guarantee a continued Assad regime, and increase Russian influence in the region (especially to Iran, Syria, and Lebanon).
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Why is it a regime when we don't like it and a government when we do. President Assad has the right to exist that any other world leader does. I will agree that Obama mis handled Syria from the beginning but for far different reasons than you apparently. The uprising in Syria was vastly different than that of the other ME countries and it wasn't really part of the Arab Spring. President Assad has been fighting his own 'war on terror' with various terrorist organizations operating within his borders. Had the US and other western powers stayed out of it from the beginning, president Assad would have crushed the insurgency early on, there wouldn't be 100,000+ dead civilians and things would be once again normal in Syria. But the neocon agenda for 'regime change' in Syria has been a long time ambition.

Putin for his part was right on Syria from the beginning, the US was wrong and the world saw that this summer. Unfortunately, US and western involvement and support for the same terrorists that we fought for the last decade and more were helped to gain too much of a foothold and has therefore turned what could have been a quick victory for Assad into a lengthy war that as is usually the case when the US gets involved, has been hardest on the civilian population.
 
annata said:
Cuba is a natural trading partner with the US. Havana buildings are in such disrepair;they are literally falling down.
There is money to be made. Cuba is slant drilling oil under a Chinese contract across the Straight of Florida.

Just a few things here, and it serves NO pupose not to trade,and normalize relations. None.

The Cuban Embargo is a relic of the cold war, end it.
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The government controls everything in Cuba.

If the government wanted those buildings fixed, they would be fixed.

Do you think if the US trades with Cuba, it will all of a sudden become a democratic capitalist society?
 
Mason66 said:
You think the Cubans are suffering because the US won't send money?

Cuba trades with many other countries.

Cubans are like they are because of their government. It is not the fault of the US.
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No, I don't think that the US should send money and don't think that I implied such.
 
Mason66 said:
The government controls everything in Cuba.

If the government wanted those buildings fixed, they would be fixed.

Do you think if the US trades with Cuba, it will all of a sudden become a democratic capitalist society?
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It never has been in the past. It went from dictator Batista to dictator Castro. Let's hope we never try to impose democracy there like we attempted to do in Iraq. There has to be some democratic tradition for that to be successful.
 
"Yeah, caus' if it were like Reagan, then, like he would like go all Chuck Norris and like beat his a$% and stomped on him while singing God Bless Murica', then hog tie that godless commie and then jeezus would send a lightning bolt down from heaven, and hurr, hurr, derp, derp derp..."

He shook hands, that is what grown ups do. He didn't bow...he is taller.

Find a new insane outrage (like not going to speak at Gettysburg on the anniversary like only President Taft did)

Wingnuts need daily outrage and anger, especially when it is completely silly.
 
Montecresto said:
Why is it a regime when we don't like it and a government when we do. President Assad has the right to exist that any other world leader does. I will agree that Obama mis handled Syria from the beginning but for far different reasons than you apparently. The uprising in Syria was vastly different than that of the other ME countries and it wasn't really part of the Arab Spring. President Assad has been fighting his own 'war on terror' with various terrorist organizations operating within his borders. Had the US and other western powers stayed out of it from the beginning, president Assad would have crushed the insurgency early on, there wouldn't be 100,000+ dead civilians and things would be once again normal in Syria. But the neocon agenda for 'regime change' in Syria has been a long time ambition.

Putin for his part was right on Syria from the beginning, the US was wrong and the world saw that this summer. Unfortunately, US and western involvement and support for the same terrorists that we fought for the last decade and more were helped to gain too much of a foothold and has therefore turned what could have been a quick victory for Assad into a lengthy war that as is usually the case when the US gets involved, has been hardest on the civilian population.
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Putin isn't "right" on syria, Syria is a client state and it will remain so thanks to obama's lackluster political prowess.
A thug Russian gets to continue selling equipment, meds, and tech to Islamists and dictators.
 
US Conservative said:
We wont tell them how to run their govt-we just wont trade with them. ;)

They can drive their 70 year old cars and enjoy their wonderful healthcare.

Its a shame you draw a line at defending totalitarian regimes. :(
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Cuba trades with Russia. Why isn't Russia selling cars to Cuba?

It is because the Cuban leaders want the population to be doing exactly what they are doing.

Cuban people have no money for a new car anyway.
 
Mason66 said:
Cuba trades with Russia. Why isn't Russia selling cars to Cuba?

It is because the Cuban leaders want the population to be doing exactly what they are doing.

Cuban people have no money for a new car anyway.
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Outstanding points the elucidate the end result of communism and totalitarianism.

American leftists would do well to take note.
 
Dittohead not! said:
It never has been in the past. It went from dictator Batista to dictator Castro. Let's hope we never try to impose democracy there like we attempted to do in Iraq. There has to be some democratic tradition for that to be successful.
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Exactly, so what would be the point of trading with Cuba?

The people have no money to buy anything which is the way Castro wants it.

Until they are gone and the new leaders change things drastically, it would be a wasted exercise, and it would close the door to Cubans that make it off the island. They would all be sent back dry feet or not.
 
Montecresto said:
Oh yes of course. We'll have to do something about that MMC,
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Yeah.....I figure it would be only a matter of time with the holidays coming up. Usually quite a bit jumps off then. I was making it simple with some of them.....Like Discussion Egypt. Or Syria etc etc. Just to get things going or being able to jump in at anytime. Especially with all current news. ;)
 
annata said:
ts not your call, it's not the US call. Castro has out lived many presidents, and we tried the Bay of Pigs.
Everything the US had done -even the "wet foot" policy of immigration is peculiar, and un-needed with Cuba.
They are a sovereign country, we have no right to tell them how to run their govt.

Besides all this it's counterproductive.
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That's just it, Cubans don't run their government, there government runs them.
 
US Conservative said:
Putin isn't "right" on syria, Syria is a client state and it will remain so thanks to obama's lackluster political prowess.
A thug Russian gets to continue selling equipment, meds, and tech to Islamists and dictators.
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The US does the exact same thing! Such hypocrisy.
 
Mason66 said:
Exactly, so what would be the point of trading with Cuba?

The people have no money to buy anything which is the way Castro wants it.

Until they are gone and the new leaders change things drastically, it would be a wasted exercise, and it would close the door to Cubans that make it off the island. They would all be sent back dry feet or not.
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For the classic car enthusiasts?

Seriously, trading with Cuba would improve the lot of the average Cuban, let them see how the rest of the world lives, and then, when inevitably there are new leaders, make it more likely that they would be more open to change.
 
Mason66 said:
You think the Cubans are suffering because the US won't send money?

Cuba trades with many other countries.

Cubans are like they are because of their government. It is not the fault of the US.
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After a year-long investigation, the American Association for World Health has determined that the U.S. embargo of Cuba has dramatically harmed the health and nutrition of large numbers of ordinary Cuban citizens. As documented by the attached report, it is our expert medical opinion that the U.S. embargo has caused a significant rise in suffering-and even deaths-in Cuba.

http://www.cubasolidarity.net/aawh.html

While all Cuban suffering isn't the fault of US policy, there's plenty more such examples.
 
Dittohead not! said:
For the classic car enthusiasts?

Seriously, trading with Cuba would improve the lot of the average Cuban, let them see how the rest of the world lives, and then, when inevitably there are new leaders, make it more likely that they would be more open to change.
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Those cars are not worth anything.

They have been fixing them with parts they could find.

I am in Mexico and people here do the same.

I can't tell you how many Hondas or Toyotas have Nissan Sentra engines because that is all anybody can find.
 
Montecresto said:
After a year-long investigation, the American Association for World Health has determined that the U.S. embargo of Cuba has dramatically harmed the health and nutrition of large numbers of ordinary Cuban citizens. As documented by the attached report, it is our expert medical opinion that the U.S. embargo has caused a significant rise in suffering-and even deaths-in Cuba.

Impact of the U.S Embargo on Health and Nutrition in Cuba

While all Cuban suffering isn't the fault of US policy, there's plenty more such examples.
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I thought, as it was posted earlier in this thread, that Cuba has a national health system and more doctors than anywhere else.

How can the people be suffering in Cuba and why would it be the fault of the US if Cuba can get whatever they want from Russia?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
First of all what is this "gesture of hope" BS? I didn't know whether to put this in media bias or here. I have no problem with him giving the guy a formal handshake in a situation like this but he seems like he is really infatuated with the guy and it looks to me like he is bowing again.
Why is he so warm and subservient to this commie thug.
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You would prefer that he had spit in Castro's face, eh?
 
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