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Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647]

Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Ikari said:
They should not have to. If it's a private theater that has such policy, you can assemble, you can protest, you can boycott, you can raise awareness, you can NOT PURCHASE THEIR GOODS. Money is what makes everything go around, and you can effect change in local business by affecting their bottom line.

Quit being a drama queen. You want to accuse people of it, but you are very liberal in its use. Try to be honest in your arguments just once please.
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You are the one saying that you would support the idea. I am the one saying that we as a society have a right to pass laws that require business to comply with anti-discrimination laws. They have a choice. They can open a business and comply with the law or they can not open the business. They are not free to say...hey....I'm going to open a business...and screw your laws because I don't believe that I should have to follow them.
 
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Uncensored2008 said:
Don't be stupid.

The baker doesn't want to bake a cake.

A federal judge orders him to.

That is force - the implication that men with guns will be used if he fails to obey the judge.
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Okie Dokie Artichokie.....
 
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Ikari said:
What rights? Your right to someone else's cake?
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never claimed to have a right to someone elses cake but you keep trying to sell that strawman since it fails everytime
 
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disneydude said:
Was it "bullying" digs...to force bigoted restaurant owners into serving blacks? Bigotry in the name of religion is still bigotry.
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sexual preference has nothing to do with race, stay on topic if possible
 
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disneydude said:
You are the one saying that you would support the idea. I am the one saying that we as a society have a right to pass laws that require business to comply with anti-discrimination laws. They have a chose. They can open a business and comply with the law or they can not open the business. They are not free to say...hey....I'm going to open a business...and screw your laws because I don't believe that I should have to follow them.
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Drama queen dishonesty. Please try to be honest in your arguments just once.

I would not support the idea, I would boycott any business that discriminated. I would not, however, use the guns of government to force it. That's where you and I differ.
 
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Uncensored2008 said:
Don't be stupid.

The baker doesn't want to bake a cake.

A federal judge orders him to.

That is force - the implication that men with guns will be used if he fails to obey the judge.
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nope thats not what happen why do you post lies and think people will believe them, you obviously didnt even read any of the articles or the ruling.

the judge never ordered him to bake a cake lol

tells us that cool line about stupid again
 
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AGENT J said:
translation: you cant back up the lie you posted, i asked you to and you completely dodged it
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When you "translate" what other say, that is rank dishonestly.

1.) sorry nobody honest, educated on this topic and objective buys this lie, you have no facts to support and this fallacy fails every time you post it
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What does that have to do with you?

2.) government protects our rights and freedoms an the owner tried to infringe on them and lost, this is what happens when criminals break the law
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"Protects" our rights to obey?

You infringed on my right to make you wash my car.

Get moving.
 
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AGENT J said:
never claimed to have a right to someone elses cake but you keep trying to sell that strawman since it fails everytime
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That's exactly what this thread is about. Quit being dishonest. A couple wanted a cake, a business said no, so they got government to force the business. It's about cake in this case and you have nothing else to deflect to. So either continue with dishonest argument, or try to evolve a proper argument.
 
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Rocketman said:
sexual preference has nothing to do with race, stay on topic if possible
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100% factually false since this case is about civil, equal, human and legal rights vs illegal discrimination

so any reference to discrimination against gender, sexual orientation, religion, race is valid and 100% on topic
 
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Ikari said:
Drama queen dishonesty. Please try to be honest in your arguments just once.

I would not support the idea, I would boycott any business that discriminated. I would not, however, use the guns of government to force it. That's where you and I differ.
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Who is talking about bringing out the national guard to force it? Uh........no one. And you are supporting it. Spare me the "I would boycott" line...you are supporting open discrimination and bigotry in the marketplace. Sorry, but we as a society have a right to say Nope.
 
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AGENT J said:
100% factually false since this case is about civil, equal, human and legal rights vs illegal discrimination

so any reference to discrimination against gender, sexual orientation, religion, race is valid and 100% on topic
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false, sexual preference has nothing to do with race comparisons, no matter how many tears you shed
 
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disneydude said:
Who is talking about bringing out the national guard to force it? Uh........no one. And you are supporting it. Spare me the "I would boycott" line...you are supporting open discrimination and bigotry in the marketplace. Sorry, but we as a society have a right to say Nope.
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All government force is backed by its guns. You should know this.

And more drama queen dishonest arguments. It's ironic considering how you bitched about it earlier. But whatever. I would not support open discrimination. I would consume in a manner to discourage it in fact. I'm just not going to bring the guns of government to bear against the Individual. Sorry that you don't like choice and freedom and responsible consumerism, but it's more proper than government force against the rights and liberties of the individual.
 
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Uncensored2008 said:
A business license is a tax, nothing more. Paying a tax does not indenture one as servant to the state. Free people buy from the stores they alone choose. rty.
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A business license is a means to track and oversee businesses in the interests of the business community, the public, and the state. The "tax" pays for the administration of oversite of things like anti-discrimination and labor laws, zoning, OSHA and other public health and safety regulations, inspections for such, protections for consumers, protections for businesses from other illegal business practices by competitors, etc.
 
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The irony in all of this is the the bigoted baker invokes the name of JESUS....to do one of the most un-Christlike things that he could do. It really demonstrates that disconnect that a large chunk of so-called "Christians" have with the man they profess to worship.
 
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Ikari said:
All government force is backed by its guns. You should know this.

And more drama queen dishonest arguments. It's ironic considering how you bitched about it earlier. But whatever. I would not support open discrimination. I would consume in a manner to discourage it in fact. I'm just not going to bring the guns of government to bear against the Individual. Sorry that you don't like choice and freedom and responsible consumerism, but it's more proper than government force against the rights and liberties of the individual.
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Oh really? Wow...that is sounding like some "Branch Dividian" paranoia there......
 
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disneydude said:
Oh really? Wow...that is sounding like some "Branch Dividian" paranoia there......
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So just insult is all you have left? Thought so.
 
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Ikari said:
1.)That's exactly what this thread is about.
2.)Quit being dishonest.
3.) A couple wanted a cake, a business said no
4.), so they got government to force the business.
5.) It's about cake in this case
6.) and you have nothing else to deflect to.
7.) So either continue with dishonest argument, or try to evolve a proper argument.
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1.) 100% false its about illegal discrimaintion
2.) yes you should
3.) yes a couple wanted a cake and then a criminal broke the law and illegally discriminated against them violating their rights
4.) 100% false no the reported a crime and the judge order the owenr to cease and desist from breaking the law
5.) already proven 100% false
6.) ZERO deflection just facts that deafeat your post
7.) no argument is needed facts and honest destoryed your post already

fact remains never claimed anybody had a right to cake and if you disagree simply provve your lie and and qoute me saying it
 
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Ikari said:
So just insult is all you have left? Thought so.
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Nope....just pointing out that this whole "The Government is coming after us with their guns" talk is a little bit of paranoia.....thats all.
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) 100% false its about illegal discrimaintion
2.) yes you should
3.) yes a couple wanted a cake and then a criminal broke the law and illegally discriminated against them violating their rights
4.) 100% false no the reported a crime and the judge order the owenr to cease and desist from breaking the law
5.) already proven 100% false
6.) ZERO deflection just facts that deafeat your post
7.) no argument is needed facts and honest destoryed your post already

fact remains never claimed anybody had a right to cake and if you disagree simply provve your lie and and qoute me saying it
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It's about someone wanting somebody else's cake and not getting it. That's it. You have no honest argument left here.
 
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Uncensored2008 said:
Ex Post Facto is a legal term, it means "after the fact." In law, this means that you cannot declare an act illegal after the fact. IF a person opens a bakery in 1995 and complies with the laws, a change in 2013 has no retroactive authority.
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Just because a business opened in 1995 does not mean that the only laws which apply when evaluating the legality of its operation in 2013 are those which existed in 1995. The act in question occurred in 2012; four years after the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act was amended to include sexual orientation.

Uncensored2008 said:
First off, I am one whom Obama hates, I cling to the constitution. (I would say god, guns, and the constitution, but as an agnostic it doesn't work) I realize that is Passe in our brave new progressive, authoritarian world. We have a Dear Leader, that old Constitution is so last century... But I do hold to liberty - thus it is no more your right to force a baker to work for someone he doesn't want to work for, than it is my right to force you to shop at Walmart.
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If you cling to the Constitution then you should recognize both the authority and obligation of the State to uphold the Fourteenth Amendment by creating and enforcing anti-discrimination law.

Uncensored2008 said:
Oh, do tell - which LAWS did the baker break?
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The Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act.

Uncensored2008 said:
A business license is a tax, nothing more. Paying a tax does not indenture one as servant to the state.
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A business license is a contract with the State.
 
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Ikari said:
It's about someone wanting somebody else's cake and not getting it. That's it. You have no honest argument left here.
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No...actually its about someone wanting to set their own rules and trying to hide behind the guise of religion in order to shield themselves so that they can impose their bigotry. That's it.
 
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disneydude said:
Nope....just pointing out that this whole "The Government is coming after us with their guns" talk is a little bit of paranoia.....thats all.
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That's dishonest drama queen action again. All government force is backed by its guns, this is true. That's not to say they are coming for us all with their guns. It's to say that you cannot resist, that if there is this law and you resist enough, the guns will come out. It's force and all force is ultimately backed with forms of violence for those who do not comply.

So can you stop with the drama queen, dishonest arguments or is that really all you have left?
 
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Rocketman said:
false, sexual preference has nothing to do with race comparisons, no matter how many tears you shed
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facts, laws, court cases, precedence, ordinances, court precedence and this case rulling all prove you factually wrong and sexual orientation is the same based on civil, equal, human and legal rights vs illegal discrimination

let us know what you have that supports your proven wrong claim

would you like me to quote the judge and his ruling AGAIN?
 
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disneydude said:
No...actually its about someone wanting to set their own rules and trying to hide behind the guise of religion in order to shield themselves so that they can impose their bigotry. That's it.
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There are some bigots out there for sure, and religion has long served as a cover for it. Still, it's cake and cake isn't a right.
 
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Ikari said:
Government actually, they're one of the biggest polluters.
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Indidual polluter. Overall, most comes from private sources. Further, all regulations against pollution comes from government.

If you had said government can be a threat, that would be true. But always as you said, not true. In this case, despite your overblown rhetoric, pretty benign. No one is significantly harmed. You could argue the little harm outweighs the benefit, but exaggeration and hyperbole won't further that argument.
 
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