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Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647]

Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Not today, because trash as you and I may see it, can no longer be discriminated against because that means we have made a moral judgment. And under the discrimination laws in certain states that isn't allowed.

There are things that are protected under the anti-discrimination laws. Those are not nearly as extensive as general public taste and individuality.

There's really no support for taking a moral position and hiding it under a religious belief. Because as I pointed out, if you were strictly follow your religious beliefs, you couldnt serve many people....a Catholic baker would not bake a wedding cake for someone getting remarried. You would not bake a cake for a barmitzpha. It's selective....and that's hypocritical IMO.

THere are many people I'd want to turn away, like adulterers. People that beat their kids or animals, goth people. But business isnt about making those moral judgements on your customers. And to hide behind religion to do it is cowardice and hypocritical IMO.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

i didnt think he would but its polite to give a person a opportunity to explain their positions instead of guessing

Vesper is a woman.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Do your own searches Critical and as a suggestion you may want to start with "under-aged sex being challenged" or "incest laws being challenged"

I dunno if I want the NSA seeing those types of searches coming from my computer.

Hey, since you are so informed on this, instead of links why not just cite some laws that are being challenged. Personally, I think you are full of crap and you just believe that those laws are under attack across the world because you enjoy being paranoid or something. But I would love to see some evidence to the contrary.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Vesper is a woman.

You want to share a gender with her, then feel free.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

There is no guessing. He slipped up and let it out. He was challenged on it. Directly asked. He play the "I have gay friends" card.

He has had numerous chances to simply say he does not believe homosexuality is comparable to child molestation. He has refused to answer. As such, it is quite clear how he feels about it.

Seriously you guys crack me up. And there is a great irony here.

The minute she said she decorated cakes as a business should have been your first clue...as only a GAY man would have that job. LMAO

I'm sorry, I'm just joking about the stereotype but it was still an obvious clue.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

You want to share a gender with her, then feel free.

Sorreh, you were both making a big deal out of 'facts.' :)
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

untied nations is meaningless to the united states of america laws and rights

BUT if you want to talk about the UN who just earliey this year mad a committee to fight against the discrimination of gays you can start that thread and ill provide you with the info
thank you again for proving you dont know what it is and that penis cake does not apply

it is factually not illegal discrimination your post loses and gets destroyed by facts again

Being full of **** and not being able to discern the consequences of laws passed is truly devastating for the rest of us. Because you were so willing to open the door, over emotion or some political correct thinking, you have paved the way for just about anything to be seen as a discrimination in regard to business owners and how they treat their customers. If a business owner denies a gay couple a friggin wedding cake on moral conscience, then the asshole that wants a erected penis on his cake has the same rights to file discrimination against anyone who does not want to provide him/her with what they want. Period.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Seriously you guys crack me up. And there is a great irony here.

The minute she said she decorated cakes as a business should have been your first clue...as only a GAY man would have that job. LMAO

I'm sorry, I'm just joking about the stereotype but it was still an obvious clue.

Well I tend to think women are more reasonable on issues of sexuality. I guess there are always exceptions and I failed to see this one.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

1.)Being full of **** and not being able to discern the consequences of laws passed is truly devastating for the rest of us.
2.)Because you were so willing to open the door, over emotion or some political correct thinking
3.), you have paved the way for just about anything to be seen as a discrimination in regard to business owners and how they treat their customers.
4.) If a business owner denies a gay couple a friggin wedding cake on moral conscience
5.) then the asshole that wants a erected penis on his cake has the same rights to file discrimination against anyone who does not want to provide him/her with what they want. Period.

1.) i agree and thats what this owners problem was full of **** and he thought the law didnt apply to him so that crimtinal got busted
2.) i didnt make that moron break the law its not my fault he doesnt understand the law and the constitution
3.) more proof you dont understand what illegal discrimination is, the law, rights and the constitution doesn allow it to be almost anything. Facts defeat your post again.
4.) he is a criminal if he does that and he has tpo pay the price of breaking the law as this story shows
5.) has proven by facts, laws and rights you are 100% wrong and repeating it wont make it true. You simply have zero understanding of what illegal discrimination is. Period.

Now when you are ready, please answer this questions

do you think homo/hetero-sexuality is comparable to child rape?
do you know what illegal discrimination is? if yes explain it

then after that provided any facts that support your already proven wrong statement that "denying to make a penis cake is legally the same as denying blacks, women, gays based on those thigns alone etc service."

we will be waiting
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

There is no guessing. He slipped up and let it out. He was challenged on it. Directly asked. He play the "I have gay friends" card.

He has had numerous chances to simply say he does not believe homosexuality is comparable to child molestation. He has refused to answer. As such, it is quite clear how he feels about it.

The he you refer to is a "she". And because I brought up pediphiles in the same sentence with homosexuals and incest you find that offensive because you are gay. It wasn't to offend you or any other gay but to point out that since the redefining of marriage, all forms of sexuality will be challenged in the future. And some of them that supported gay marriage will not be willing to support others. And because they found it fitting to go after those who did not support gay marriage, by forcing them under "discrimination laws" to comply, What will they do when some judge decides discrimination of incest is wrong using the same arguments the gay community has used to support their argument?
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

The he you refer to is a "she". And because I brought up pediphiles in the same sentence with homosexuals and incest you find that offensive because you are gay. It wasn't to offend you or any other gay but to point out that since the redefining of marriage, all forms of sexuality will be challenged in the future. And some of them that supported gay marriage will not be willing to support others. And because they found it fitting to go after those who did not support gay marriage, by forcing them under "discrimination laws" to comply, What will they do when some judge decides discrimination of incest is wrong using the same arguments the gay community has used to support their argument?

all factually 100% false
they are legally, intellectually and factually not the same thing , this fact will never change
also there is no force

facts prove this post wrong again
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

LOL....so now the bigots are the ones being oppressed? Wow.....nice attempt at turning the tables. Its like the racists who try to claim that those pointing out their racism are really the racists....too funny.

Someone who believes marriage is between a man and a woman is a bigot?
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

all factually 100% false
they are legally, intellectually and factually not the same thing , this fact will never change
also there is no force

facts prove this post wrong again

So you keep regurgitating, doesn't make it true either. Put up something or else shut the.........
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

There are things that are protected under the anti-discrimination laws. Those are not nearly as extensive as general public taste and individuality.

There's really no support for taking a moral position and hiding it under a religious belief. Because as I pointed out, if you were strictly follow your religious beliefs, you couldnt serve many people....a Catholic baker would not bake a wedding cake for someone getting remarried. You would not bake a cake for a barmitzpha. It's selective....and that's hypocritical IMO.

THere are many people I'd want to turn away, like adulterers. People that beat their kids or animals, goth people. But business isnt about making those moral judgements on your customers. And to hide behind religion to do it is cowardice and hypocritical IMO.

Who is hiding behind religion in this case? What evidence do you have of that?
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

What will they do when some judge decides discrimination of incest is wrong using the same arguments the gay community has used to support their argument?

What this tells me is...

1. You don't know the arguments for same sex marriage. You assume you do. I can certainly tell you that "consent" is a part of the argument for same sex marriage. Please commit that to memory.

2. Your arguments against incest are so piss poor that the best you can come up with against it is "well the gays cannot get married."

3. You still will not simply state, "I believe homosexuality is not comparable to pedophilia."
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Being full of **** and not being able to discern the consequences of laws passed is truly devastating for the rest of us. Because you were so willing to open the door, over emotion or some political correct thinking, you have paved the way for just about anything to be seen as a discrimination in regard to business owners and how they treat their customers. If a business owner denies a gay couple a friggin wedding cake on moral conscience, then the asshole that wants a erected penis on his cake has the same rights to file discrimination against anyone who does not want to provide him/her with what they want. Period.

You really don't have a clue, do you?

The baker had no problem making wedding cakes. If a baker makes wedding cakes for some customers, then he can't refuse to make wedding cakes for others on the basis or race, gender, sexual orientation, etc

With regards to penis cakes, if a baker does not make penis cakes for anyone, then the baker can not be forced to make penis cakes for anyone. If the baker does make penis cakes for some people, then the baker can't refuse to make penis cakes for some people on the basis of race, sex, gender, sexual orientation, etc.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

So you keep regurgitating, doesn't make it true either. Put up something or else shut the.........
translation: another dodge

nobody believe the lie you just posted, we have facts on are side remind us what you have again supporting your posts?

Now when you are ready, please answer this question

do you think homo/hetero-sexuality is comparable to child rape?
do you know what illegal discrimination is? if yes explain it

then after that provided any facts that support your already proven wrong statement that "denying to make a penis cake is legally the same as denying blacks, women, gays based on those things alone etc service."

we will be waiting


FACTS:
denying to make a penis cake is factually not legally the same thing as denying gays service
homo/hetero sexuality they are legally, intellectually and factually not the same thing


facts prove your post wrong again
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

What will they do when some judge decides discrimination of incest is wrong using the same arguments the gay community has used to support their argument?

and what arguments/precedence factually translate between the two and can only be said of equal rights for gay, please share with us
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

What this tells me is...

1. You don't know the arguments for same sex marriage. You assume you do. I can certainly tell you that "consent" is a part of the argument for same sex marriage. Please commit that to memory.

2. Your arguments against incest are so piss poor that the best you can come up with against it is "well the gays cannot get married."

3. You still will not simply state, "I believe homosexuality is not comparable to incest."

Really? My arguments are so piss poor and yours are by all means stellar examples of justice ! Yeah right.
I do not see any form of sexual activity seeking rights that redefines the traditional definition of marriage worthy of violating at the expense of other's rights, including property and religious freedom and to be in violation of the first amendment.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

You really don't have a clue, do you?The baker had no problem making wedding cakes. If a baker makes wedding cakes for some customers, then he can't refuse to make wedding cakes for others on the basis or race, gender, sexual orientation, etc
Really? Where does it say that? The baker draws the line at wedding cakes for Gays because he supports marriage as being between a man and a woman. This is freedom of religion. They are welcome to go elsewhere to get a cake.

With regards to penis cakes, if a baker does not make penis cakes for anyone, then the baker can not be forced to make penis cakes for anyone. If the baker does make penis cakes for some people, then the baker can't refuse to make penis cakes for some people on the basis of race, sex, gender, sexual orientation, etc.
Which law are you referring to here? Once he makes a penis cake he's hooked on providing penis cakes for life??
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Really? My arguments are so piss poor and yours are by all means stellar examples of justice ! Yeah right.
I do not see any form of sexual activity seeking rights that redefines the traditional definition of marriage worthy of violating and at the expense of other's rights, including property and religious freedom and to be in violation of the first amendment.

good because nothing you just said is actually happening :shrug:
nothing and if you disagree simply factually prove it, its not happening

facts defeat your post again
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

and what arguments/precedence factually translate between the two and can only be said of equal rights for gay, please share with us
I don't need to share another thing with you, just stay tuned what will be the aftermath of what you sought in the name of discrimination.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Just in case some people forget.

In the United States, the religious civil liberties are guaranteed by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution:

The First Amendment is as follows.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

This baker was clearly exercising his First Amendment rights.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

I don't need to share another thing with you, just stay tuned what will be the aftermath of what you sought in the name of discrimination.

translation: you can defend your factually wrong statement, we knew this already. Let us know when you can provide any facts/links that support the false claims you posted.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

You really don't have a clue, do you?

The baker had no problem making wedding cakes. If a baker makes wedding cakes for some customers, then he can't refuse to make wedding cakes for others on the basis or race, gender, sexual orientation, etc

With regards to penis cakes, if a baker does not make penis cakes for anyone, then the baker can not be forced to make penis cakes for anyone. If the baker does make penis cakes for some people, then the baker can't refuse to make penis cakes for some people on the basis of race, sex, gender, sexual orientation, etc.

What you fail to recognize both instances were the result of moral judgment directly related to their moral conscience. But folks like you in states that have allowed "gay rights" to trample religious freedoms will find new ways around the laws and who knows the jerkoffs who live in those states may wake up some day and vote to change it all.
 
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