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Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647]

Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

There are some things to many that are more important than money.

Then they should never have opened a business that is open to the public. Unfortunately, their "principles" were not enough to limit their greed

Being at peace with one's conscience trumps making a buck for many good folks. You want them to offer their talents toward something that goes against what their God teaches.

No, I want them to keep their bigotry and criminality out of the public sphere
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

Then they should never have opened a business that is open to the public. Unfortunately, their "principles" were not enough to limit their greed

Maybe they just desired to open the business of their choosing. Maybe, just maybe, it had nothing to do with greed.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

Then they should never have opened a business that is open to the public. Unfortunately, their "principles" were not enough to limit their greed



No, I want them to keep their bigotry and criminality out of the public sphere

Yes, keep engaging in your bullying to force them into offering their services to private organizations so they are out of the "public sphere" and that way you no longer will have to try and justiify your intolerance of their religious beliefs and bigotry toward their religions.
 
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She wasn't "forced" to shut down her business as in the government ordering her to.

She shutdown the store-front for economic reasons. After the case made the news there was a significant drop in business and she couldn't afford to remain open as a store-front. Operations were moved to a home-based business.


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Cool. That's why the govt isnt always needed to create protections...sometimes the market can. That's the way it's supposed to work.

But anti-discrimination laws are created specifically designed to protect minorities and enable them to have the same opportunities as the majority. (Reader's Digest version of course). They serve the purpose designed to support the Const. and benefit American society.

You can agree or disagree with that concept/law but that is part of the law governing businesses in that state....whatever your religion, you know that when you agree to the business license from that state.
 
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Yes, keep engaging in your bullying to force them into offering their services to private organizations so they are out of the "public sphere"

Thanks but I don't need your permission to do what is right.

and that way you no longer will have to try and justiify your intolerance of their religious beliefs and bigotry toward their religions.

I tolerate their beliefs. Our society does not tolerate their breaking the law in order to satisfy their bigotry and greed
 
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You make a few claims here about Christians without offering any support. But, in any case, this is not about Blacks.

What kind of support do you want? Many Christians also 'believed' that women were not supposed to work out side the home and that God granted them permission to beat their wives. Are those in the Bible? Many sects did interpret the Bible that way.

More important, the case isnt about blacks, no, but it IS about civil rights, which blacks and women both had to fight for as well.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

Thanks but I don't need your permission to do what is right.



I tolerate their beliefs. Our society does not tolerate their breaking the law in order to satisfy their bigotry and greed

And the laws being passed are not protecting the rights of all citizens. For every baker that refuses to bake a cake for a gay couple due to religious convictions there are two more bakers out there that would gladly take their business. Your intolerance to not allow a person the right to moral conscience in my opinion is probably the most intolerant act of all because you want to force them to violate their very being in the name of some misguided law. Disgusting.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

Thanks but I don't need your permission to do what is right.



I tolerate their beliefs. Our society does not tolerate their breaking the law in order to satisfy their bigotry and greed

Actually, refusing to sell a cake they made is the opposite of greed because they are clearly losing profit.

Hyperbole never wins debates.
 
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And the laws being passed are not protecting the rights of all citizens. For every baker that refuses to bake a cake for a gay couple due to religious convictions there are two more bakers out there that would gladly take their business. Your intolerance to not allow a person the right to moral conscience in my opinion is probably the most intolerant act of all because you want to force them to violate their very being in the name of some misguided law. Disgusting.

They have the right to believe whatever their immoral conscience tells them to believe

they don't have the right to break the law to satisfy their disgusting bigotry and greed
 
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Yes, yes, what Rosa Parks did was the same as two Gays ordering a wedding cake and going to the courts when the baker refused. We get it.

No single act ended racism...still hasnt.

It's the accumulation of sruggle and visibility and education and societal change.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

What kind of support do you want? Many Christians also 'believed' that women were not supposed to work out side the home and that God granted them permission to beat their wives. Are those in the Bible? Many sects did interpret the Bible that way.
And many atheists, agnostics, Muslims and Hindus believed a lot of different things as well. What is your point?
More important, the case isnt about blacks, no, but it IS about civil rights, which blacks and women both had to fight for as well.

It is about civil rights on both sides of the counter, which is just the point. Blacks and women are off topic.
 
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They have the right to believe whatever their immoral conscience tells them to believe

they don't have the right to break the law to satisfy their disgusting bigotry and greed

But what you are displaying is sheer bigotry toward their religious beliefs and according to the Constitution it is against the law for you to violate those religious beliefs by forcing them through laws to do so.
 
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No single act ended racism...still hasnt.

It's the accumulation of sruggle and visibility and education and societal change.

This is not about racism.
 
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But what you are displaying is sheer bigotry toward their religious beliefs and according to the Constitution it is against the law for you to violate those religious beliefs by forcing them through laws to do so.

No, sheer bigotry is what the baker displayed and these laws are not unconstitutional
 
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No, sheer bigotry is what the baker displayed and these laws are not unconstitutional

Which laws are not unconstitutional? Has this case made the Supreme Court yet?
 
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This is ridiculous comparing Rosa Parks to this couple.

You should be embarrassed to have done it.

I hope you were being sarcastic.

Of course I wasnt. Rosa Park's act was not the only one to move the black civil rights cause forward...it was made up from thousands of people raising awareness, participating in civil disobedience, bringing law suits, submitting legislation, redrawing boundaries.

It is just another group, legitimately IMO, fighting for their civil rights. It's not 'just about a wedding cake,' you cant really believe that, can you?
 
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When making these sorts of charges its always helpful if you provide appropriate links.
Provide a link to your attempt to use black people as a wedge? Too funny........ok....link back to your post.
 
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This is not about racism.

Nope, it's about civil rights. Blacks are not the only ones to have fought for their civil rights in this country.
 
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Which laws are not unconstitutional? Has this case made the Supreme Court yet?

These laws forcing businesses with moral convictions be forced to violate them, goes against most state constitutions as well. What makes these laws unconstitutional is they are being created by judges who unconstitutionally are legislating from the bench.
 
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Actually, refusing to sell a cake they made is the opposite of greed because they are clearly losing profit.

Hyperbole never wins debates.


Why do you assume they made the cake and then didn't sell it?

Typically wedding cakes are special order item and made on demand, therefore cakes are not made in advance of the purchase agreement.


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Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

But what you are displaying is sheer bigotry toward their religious beliefs and according to the Constitution it is against the law for you to violate those religious beliefs by forcing them through laws to do so.

Wrong. They are free to their beliefs. No one is preventing that. What they are NOT free to do is to use their religion as a shield to promote their bigotry.
 
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These laws forcing businesses with moral convictions go against most state constitutions as well. What makes them unconstitutional is they are being created by judges who unconstitutionally are legislating from the bench.


Horse hockey.

The Colorado Public Accommodation law specifically says businesses can't discriminate based on sexual orientation. When the State law says you can't do this, and the State Judge rules that you can't do this - that is exactly the opposite of "legislating from the bench". Actually it's following the law passed by the legislature.



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No one is being treated as less than a full person. Now if gay people were being treated like 3/5 of a person as Black slaves once were, then you might have a point but that isn't the case. At times there are conflicts between us in our view of what is moral. The question that should be asked is it moral to force another by law to do something that is against their own conscience? The answer should be NO! As marriage continues to be redefined who knows what it will look like in twenty years. Already there are groups of people in this country that don't see it morally wrong for incest relationships and want to know why there are laws on the books to forbid it. There are others who do not find it morally wrong to engage in polygamy and want to know why there are laws that forbid them in such relationships. It isn't a far leap before some judge somewhere will rule incest relations and polygamy legal. It is happening all over the world. Not if but when that happens, and a father and daughter wanting to get married, and the baker refuses to bake them a cake because he finds their relationship immoral, then the baker could be hauled into court for saying no. It is coming for those business owners who believe marriage to be between a man and a women will no longer offer their services to the public. The wedding planners, the photographers, the bakers, caterers will solely work with private organizations that share their same belief system.

The state does not recognize selective morality...or religion....and so neither does it's contracts (business licenses). If you want to operate a business in that state, you must abide by it's laws.

You sound like you are proposing 'separate but equal,' which we all know is not equal and SCOTUS did not support that either.
 
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How would you compare two Gays not being offered a wedding cake in one establishment with the centuries long struggle, including a Civil War and murders, for the rights of Black people?

Was it an insult to blacks when women fought for their civil rights?
 
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