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Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647]

Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

Bob Blaylock said:
The fact remains that the business, and all its assets, are private property, owned by citizens, and not by the government.

What does the Constitution have to say about compelling the public use of private property? See the Fifth Amendment.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.​
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weird where did i say anything at the store was owned by the government? oh thats right i didnt :shrug:

another failed strawman
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) weird can you point out where i said its "criminal law"
i said its a crime and he is a criminal which is factual true, you lie fails

if you disagree simply quote me saying it was "criminal law" can be done because it never happen

facts defeat your post again

2.) nothing here changes the fact that Involuntary servitude :shrug:
you are free to have your opinion but thats factually not whats going on

let me know when you have any facts that support your claim
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AGENT J said:
1.) facts disagree with you and prove you wrong

2,) yes illegal discrimination is a crime unless the definition of the word changed, its breaking the law which is again a crime

crime
: an illegal act for which someone can be punished by the government

: activity that is against the law : illegal acts in general

: an act that is foolish or wrong

3.)nope because thats not what happened

what actually happened is the government is not allowing the owner to commit crimes, break the law, illegally discriminating and or infringe on the rights of others
the ruling was"cease and desist from discriminating”

these are the facts as pointed out in the case and ruled on by the judge
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wrong, if he was under criminal charges, the person would have been cuffed and booked into jail.

The Colorado Civil Rights Commission (click to access upcoming Commission meetings link and Agendas when published) is a seven-member bipartisan panel whose mission is to: conduct hearings involving illegal discriminatory practices; advise the Governor and General Assembly regarding policies and legislation that address illegal discrimination; review appeals of cases investigated and dismissed by the Division; and adopt and amend rules and regulations to be followed in the enforcement of the state's statutes prohibiting discrimination.

statue law.....not criminal law
 
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ernst barkmann said:
wrong, if he was under criminal charges, the person would have been cuffed and booked into jail.
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thanking you for proving your own post wrong notice i never said criminal law LMAO

yep i said crime and it factually is a crime by definition of the word :shrug:

Crime
: an illegal act for which someone can be punished by the government

: activity that is against the law : illegal acts in general

: an act that is foolish or wrong

facts defeat and destroy your post again
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

ernst barkmann said:
how do you explain, government forcing people under coercion to serve other people, or be force out of business?

if i do not serve a person, ...have i violate life liberty or property ....no i have not.

however it government forces me to serve another citizen, ..it is violating the founding principles of life, liberty and property.

this case you cite is using commerce as it tool, ...commerce is the buying and selling of goods, ...it is serving people...no one has the right to be served.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
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States have the power to regulate commerce within their borders, and the Fed govt has the power to regulate interstate commerce.
 
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sangha said:
States have the power to regulate commerce within their borders, and the Fed govt has the power to regulate interstate commerce.
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Is that all you have? How sad. How does that disarm his claims against you?
 
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sangha said:
States have the power to regulate commerce within their borders, and the Fed govt has the power to regulate interstate commerce.
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you are 100% correct, however you cannot create laws which violate , life liberty and property, and when you force/coercion people that is what you are doing.

force can only be applied if you have been committed a crime, and convicted of it.
 
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digsbe said:
The bigotry lies in forcing someone to go against their beliefs via their private business to provide you with a service for something they believe is wrong.

This goes beyond gay "rights" and gets into bullying through the courts.
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My great grandfather, a Jew, once went to a hospital for an emergency appendectomy. Luckily for the hospital, back then the courts didn't bully businesses into going against their beliefs (their belief was that all Jews were subhuman, or at least their belief was that the public held that belief and thus they'd lose money if they didn't go along with it) so they didn't have to operate and get yucky Jew germs all over their hospital! Thank god.

Oh, and my great grandfather died because the only nearby hospital that would treat him was the one who employed drunken surgeons, and they promptly dropped an infected instrument into his body cavity and he died of a massive infection. I tell this story often. It shows that in America we no longer tolerate this kind of BS. The law provides for equal protection for all races, genders and sexual orientations. Yeah, this might be about a cake, but it's also about whether or not we truly believe that all men are created equal. If you do, then maybe you should realize that a person is not equal when they are shut out by the community in which they live. This decision is the right one for justice and equality.
 
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Mustachio said:
My great grandfather, a Jew, once went to a hospital for an emergency appendectomy. Luckily for the hospital, back then the courts didn't bully businesses into going against their beliefs (their belief was that all Jews were subhuman, or at least their belief was that the public held that belief and thus they'd lose money if they didn't go along with it) so they didn't have to operate and get yucky Jew germs all over their hospital! Thank god.

Oh, and my great grandfather died because the only nearby hospital that would treat him was the one who employed drunken surgeons, and they promptly dropped an infected instrument into his body cavity and he died of a massive infection. I tell this story often. It shows that in America we no longer tolerate this kind of BS. The law provides for equal protection for all races, genders and sexual orientations. Yeah, this might be about a cake, but it's also about whether or not we truly believe that all men are created equal. If you do, then maybe you should realize that a person is not equal when they are shut out by the community in which they live. This decision is the right one for justice and equality.
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If you believe all men are created equal you believe they should all be able to serve only those they consent to serve. Otherwise, you don't believe in it at all.
 
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AGENT J said:
thanking you for proving your own post wrong notice i never said criminal law LMAO

yep i said crime and it factually is a crime by definition of the word :shrug:

Crime
: an illegal act for which someone can be punished by the government

: activity that is against the law : illegal acts in general

: an act that is foolish or wrong

facts defeat and destroy your post again
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AGENT J said:
1.) facts disagree with you and prove you wrong

2,) yes illegal discrimination is a crime unless the definition of the word changed, its breaking the law which is again a crime

crime
: an illegal act for which someone can be punished by the government

: activity that is against the law : illegal acts in general

: an act that is foolish or wrong

3.)nope because thats not what happened

what actually happened is the government is not allowing the owner to commit crimes, break the law, illegally discriminating and or infringe on the rights of others
the ruling was"cease and desist from discriminating”

these are the facts as pointed out in the case and ruled on by the judge
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you say discrimination is a crime........if it is a crime which you say, then it would fall under criminal law.........period

you are so dishonest..........you and haymarket are a pair.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
you are 100% correct, however you cannot create laws which violate , life liberty and property, and when you force/coercion people that is what you are doing.

force can only be applied if you have been committed a crime, and convicted of it.
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This law does not violate any property rights.

Does the owner of private property devoted to use as a public establishment enjoy a property right to refuse to deal with any member of the public because of that member's race, religion, or national origin? As noted previously, the English common law answered this question in the negative. It reasoned that one who employed his private property for purposes of commercial gain by offering goods or services to the public must stick to his bargain. It is to be remembered that the right of the private [379 U.S. 241, 285] property owner to serve or sell to whom he pleased was never claimed when laws were enacted prohibiting the private property owner from dealing with persons of a particular race. Nor were such laws ever struck down as an infringement upon this supposed right of the property owner.
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ernst barkmann said:
1.)you say discrimination is a crime........
2.)if it is a crime which you say, then it would fall under criminal law.........period
3.) you are so dishonest..........you and haymarket are a pair.
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1.) no i dont say it, facts make it that way
2.) as the defintion already proves your statement is factually false
3.) deflections, lies and failed personal insults like this wont make your post correct

its still 100% factually wrong and the definition of the word crime proves your post wrong


crime
: an illegal act for which someone can be punished by the government

: activity that is against the law : illegal acts in general

: an act that is foolish or wrong

thank you for quoting me and proving i never said the lie you claimed

facts prove your post wrong
 
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sangha said:
This law does not violate any property rights.
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So telling property owners they must allow other people to access their property is not violating property rights? :lamo Where do you come up with such nonsense?
 
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ernst barkmann said:
it violates property and liberty.
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No, it doesn't

Does the owner of private property devoted to use as a public establishment enjoy a property right to refuse to deal with any member of the public because of that member's race, religion, or national origin? As noted previously, the English common law answered this question in the negative. It reasoned that one who employed his private property for purposes of commercial gain by offering goods or services to the public must stick to his bargain. It is to be remembered that the right of the private [379 U.S. 241, 285] property owner to serve or sell to whom he pleased was never claimed when laws were enacted prohibiting the private property owner from dealing with persons of a particular race. Nor were such laws ever struck down as an infringement upon this supposed right of the property owner.
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States are sovereign and have the power to regulate commerce within their borders, but you are happy to throw your belief in states powers under the bus to further a bigoted agenda
 
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sangha said:
This law does not violate any property rights.
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Lol! That quote is using a government concept that violates property rights as the basis on why it doesn't violate property rights. What kind of idiotic nonsense are you trying to push here?
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) no i dont say it, facts make it that way
2.) as the defintion already proves your statement is factually false
3.) deflections, lies and failed personal insults like this wont make your post correct

its still 100% factually wrong and the definition of the word crime proves your post wrong


crime
: an illegal act for which someone can be punished by the government

: activity that is against the law : illegal acts in general

: an act that is foolish or wrong

thank you for quoting me and proving i never said the lie you claimed

facts prove your post wrong
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anyone can see, you dont have a clue about what is criminal and what is statutory.....makes you look ignorant as always
 
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Henrin said:
If you believe all men are created equal you believe they should all be able to serve only those they consent to serve. Otherwise, you don't believe in it at all.
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The problem is that either way somebody's rights are being infringed on. The difference is that when it is somebody refusing to serve a customer whose rights are being infringed on, it will piss them off. When a person being served has their rights infringed, it could, in conjunction with other things, ruin their life (see lunch counters, my great grandfather). It literally killed my great grandfather. So I'm willing to piss off a surgeon in order to save a man's life. Pretty gutsy position to take, right? What shocks me is how many people disagree with me. I call them "brainwashed," but maybe some of them just don't care about making people's lives better if it is not their life in question.
 
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sangha said:
No, it doesn't



States are sovereign and have the power to regulate commerce within their borders, but you are happy to throw your belief in states powers under the bus to further a bigoted agenda
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yes it does, government cannot makes laws on people unless, it is criminal[ rights violation], or it is a statutory law designed to protect health and safety.

government does not have moral powers, to decide that people have to be served, because their feelings might be hurt or they might get mad.

i stated you are correct, about commerce.... however laws cannot violate the founding principles or the 13th amendment which is what is happening.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
anyone can see, you dont have a clue about what is criminal and what is statutory.....makes you look ignorant as always
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another failed personal attack instead staying on topic

tell me what facts do you have that support your lie?

i supplied facts and can do so with a link

the owner committed a crime and that is a fact and that fact is backed up by the definition of the word.

Crime - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Crime
: an illegal act for which someone can be punished by the government

: activity that is against the law : illegal acts in general

: an act that is foolish or wrong

sorry words have meanings and you dont get to just make stuff up

facts prove your post to be a lie, if you disagree and you are ready to STAY ON TOPIC by all means pleae post any facts the prove my statement wrong . . . . one fact that proves the definition and my link is factually wrong
 
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Mustachio said:
The problem is that either way somebody's rights are being infringed on. The difference is that when it is somebody refusing to serve a customer whose rights are being infringed on, it will piss them off. When a person being served has their rights infringed, it could, in conjunction with other things, ruin their life (see lunch counters, my great grandfather). It literally killed my great grandfather. So I'm willing to piss off a surgeon in order to save a man's life. Pretty gutsy position to take, right? What shocks me is how many people disagree with me. I call them "brainwashed," but maybe some of them just don't care about making people's lives better if it is not their life in question.
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wrong you have NO exercisable rights on another person's property.
 
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Mustachio said:
The problem is that either way somebody's rights are being infringed on. The difference is that when somebody refusing to serve a customer's rights are being infringed on, it will piss them off. When a person being served has their rights infringed, it could, in conjunction with other things, ruin their life. It literally killed my great grandfather. So I'm willing to piss off a surgeon in order to save a man's life. Pretty gutsy position to take, right? What shocks me is how many people disagree with me. I call them "brainwashed," but maybe some of them just don't care about making people's lives better if it is not their life in question.
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No. If they do not consent to provide the potential consumer service then no ones rights are violated. The consumer nor the businessman has the right to force the other party into the transaction for their benefit.
 
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AGENT J said:
another failed personal attack instead staying on topic

tell me what facts do you have that support your lie?

i supplied facts and can do so with a link

the owner committed a crime and that is a fact and that fact is backed up by the definition of the word.

Crime - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Crime
: an illegal act for which someone can be punished by the government

: activity that is against the law : illegal acts in general

: an act that is foolish or wrong

sorry words have meanings and you dont get to just make stuff up

facts prove your post to be a lie, if you disagree and you are ready to STAY ON TOPIC by all means pleae post any facts the prove my statement wrong . . . . one fact that proves the definition and my link is factually wrong
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you dont have a clue...
 
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ernst barkmann said:
yes it does, government cannot makes laws on people unless, it is criminal[ rights violation], or it is a statutory law designed to protect health and safety.
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States can pass statuatory law regulating commerce within its' borders. It's a power of a sovereign state.
 
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sangha said:
States can pass statuatory law regulating commerce within its' borders. It's a power of a sovereign state.
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I believe Lincoln eliminated the sovereignty of states.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
wrong you have NO exercisable rights on another person's property.
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that's why i get away with murdering everybody who steps onto my lawn.
 
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