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Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647]

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Lutherf said:
I think that people acquiesce too easily when it comes to this stuff. The state already excludes churches from any requirement to perform gay marriages so, for all practical purposes, that precedent has already been set. Religious convictions are protected in that case but not when it comes to "public accommodations". Well, why not? Why does the church, protected by the same amendment as the baker, get a pass while the baker doesn't? Why is the baker no longer free to exercise his religious practices once he steps into the public domain? Furthermore, where is the harm caused to this couple? Was this the only bakery available to them? Were they prohibited from making their own cake because of the actions of this baker? If they were I don't see how.
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Churches do not require business licenses that set guidelines for how they conduct their affairs (I didnt write 'business', because it's not, legally or technically)
 
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Oftencold said:
So what if some freak came in and demanded a pornographically themed wedding cake. Porn is legal. Are going for force the baker to decorate the cake with frosting dildos?

It seems that by this reasoning we must.
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"Porn" is not a protected class and there are no discrimination laws that apply to it (that I'm aware of).
 
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CriticalThought said:
You mighta missed something.
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I'm not sure what that has to do with my argument.
 
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Lutherf said:
I think that people acquiesce too easily when it comes to this stuff. The state already excludes churches from any requirement to perform gay marriages so, for all practical purposes, that precedent has already been set. Religious convictions are protected in that case but not when it comes to "public accommodations". Well, why not? Why does the church, protected by the same amendment as the baker, get a pass while the baker doesn't? Why is the baker no longer free to exercise his religious practices once he steps into the public domain? Furthermore, where is the harm caused to this couple? Was this the only bakery available to them? Were they prohibited from making their own cake because of the actions of this baker? If they were I don't see how.
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Yes, operating as a business that holds out to the public makes you subject to laws that apply to a business. OSHA requires certain safety standards for a business but I don't have to install emergency gas shutoff switches in my kitchen. Colorado law forbids such a business from discriminating on the basis of race, gender, or sexuality.

I asked before: if I truly believe all illness is the will of God, can my restaurant be exempt from food safety laws?

Are you telling me it's ok to refuse to sell my pilot services to black people because other pilots exist? Let's say I'm old school Mormon so I believe black people are evil or whatever the heck their deal was.
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) theres zero bigotry in the ruling, equal rights is being protected
2.) 100% completely false his values are still intact and he is 100% allowed to believe in them, there is no force
3.) except theres no facts to support this lie

I always love reading the fantasy you post and watching it get destroyed
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Wow, you let 35 other post before yours. I would have thought you would have been #2 or #3.

After all this is your pet cause.
 
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shrubnose said:
Not according to the 1964 Civil Rights Act and other U.S. laws they don't.


"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
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Your point is what? That law can violate the rights of people? Is that supposed to be ground breaking information to me?
 
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26 pages and nothign has changed

lets recap


this guy CHOSE to participate in the PUBLIC REALM which has rules and laws that regulate it and they are the same for us all.

He ran a public access business and he was NOT allowed to ILLEGALLY discriminate and violate rights of people just like every other public realm/ public access businesses is not allowed to do either.

He chose to break laws and rules and violate rights, there is a price to pay for this

seems the perfectly right decision was made


illegal discrimination loses and civility, equality and rights win! that's a good thing!


next time dont break this dip**** will think twice before breaking the law and violating peoples rights :shrug:
 
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Henrin said:
I'm not sure what that has to do with my argument.
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I misinterpreted.

You do realize the law in question is the Coloarado Anti Discrimination Act, right?
 
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jimbo said:
True they don't, but they should. Where should the line be? Should restaurants be forced to remove pork from the menu and sell only kosher beef because some religions might be offended? Short females be granted special concessions due to their obvious disability in relation to NBA opportunities?

Bottom line, everybody is offended by something. There is plenty of opportunity for everybody to pick and choose what they want without infringing on my right to do the same.

Don't like a place of business, don't patronize it.
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That would take common sense which an extinct animal.
 
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AGENT J said:
So the bottom line this guy CHOSE to participate in the PUBLIC REALM which has rules and laws that regulate it and they are the same for us all.
He ran a public access business and he was NOT allowed to ILLEGALLY discriminate and violate rights of people just like every other public realm/ public access businesses is not allowed to either.

:shrug:

seems the perfectly right decision was made


illegal discrimination loses, thats a good thing
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The right to force people to associate with you.
The right to get service from other people against their will.
The right to enter property that is not your own.
The right to use resources that are not your own.

Do I have it about covered on this "equal" rights argument of yours?

I still can't help to laugh at people believing there is a such thing as a public business. :lol:
 
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digsbe said:
How so? Baking a cake for the purpose of honoring a gay relationship (a gay marriage) may be something the baker views as supporting that or going against his convictions. On the flip side, if a business felt it was wrong to support religion because religion brings about all the world's ills (in their view) I shouldn't be able to force the baker into servitude and have them bake for my church event. Part of his religious practice could be to live a moral life and not do things that go against what he believes is wrong. It's part of the "free exercise thereof." Religion is more than ritual, for many it's a way of life and permeates everything that they do with their actions and live existing to honor God or live along a certain path.
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As was pointed out before, who would want to eat a cake from a baker that was forced to bake that cake?

There seems to be a lot of mental instability going on in cases like these.
 
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CriticalThought said:
I misinterpreted.

You do realize the law in question is the Coloarado Anti Discrimination Act, right?
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Yeah, so?
 
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Mason66 said:
1.)Wow, you let 35 other post before yours. I would have thought you would have been #2 or #3.

2.)After all this is your pet cause.
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1.) So you go nothing t on topic huh? just failed deflections, typical.

2.) theres no cause of mine here like most Americans i respect equal rights and I dont condone nor do i want to empower discrimination, violating rights and bigotry :shrug:

Let us know when you have something on topic ;)
 
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Henrin said:
The right to force people to associate with you.
The right to get service from other people against their will.
The right to enter property that is not your own.
The right to use resources that are not your own.

Do I have it about covered on this "equal" rights argument of yours?
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your OPINION, FANTASIES and PHILOSOPHIES are meaningless to the facts :shrug:

of course you are allowed to vent about your opinions all you want but they wont impact the facts nor do they matter, hurt feelings dont change facts
 
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AGENT J said:
dogs good > gays evil

marrying a dog is cute and funny and NOT a smudge on the utmost holy sanctity of religious marriage to always be taken seriously and nobody else has a right to this word

same sex marriage is the devils work and totally offensive even though it has nothing to do with religion ;)
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I hope this dog marriage thing doesn't take off.

I have 3 females and I would have to pay for the darn wedding.

How do you bake a cake for a dog wedding? I assume the cake was for the humans that attended the wedding.

I did once make a cake for my dog for her birthday, but it was made of meat. I don't think dogs should eat that much sugar.
 
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MaggieD said:
Homosexuals are not a protected class under Federal Law:

Protected class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Colorado has a state law that prohibits discrimination in public accommodations based on sexual orientation.

In my opinion, (what do I know?) not wanting to supply a wedding cake to a homosexual couple getting married is not discrimination based on sexual orientation. *shrug* It's a discrimination against gay marriage. I think there's a fine line here that could easily be challenged.

If a gay couple came into my bakery and began picking their noses -- and I asked them to leave -- am I discriminating against them because they're gay? Or because they're picking their noses?
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This is an interesting point.

I dont remember from the OP. Did the couple go and try to order the cake themselves?

What if a straight person wanted to order a cake for a gay wedding?

(And yes, while sexual orientation is not (yet) a federally protected class, some states like WA St and it looks like Colo. have made it a protected class so businesses & employers are not allowed to discriminate against gays. Just as a clarification.)
 
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AGENT J said:
your OPINION, FANTASIES and PHILOSOPHIES are meaningless to the facts :shrug:

of course you are allowed to vent about your opinions all you want but they wont impact the facts nor do they matter, hurt feelings dont change facts
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Oh, really? So the law is not forcing businesses to serve people they otherwise would not? Isn't that strange then considering the case in question.
 
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digsbe said:
The bigotry lies in forcing someone to go against their beliefs via their private business to provide you with a service for something they believe is wrong.

This goes beyond gay "rights" and gets into bullying through the courts.
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They probably did it to prove a point. I'll bet they never patronize that business again.
 
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Mason66 said:
I hope this dog marriage thing doesn't take off.

I have 3 females and I would have to pay for the darn wedding.

How do you bake a cake for a dog wedding? I assume the cake was for the humans that attended the wedding.

I did once make a cake for my dog for her birthday, but it was made of meat. I don't think dogs should eat that much sugar.
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People do make and buy dog wedding cakes.

But as any sensible person knows, animals other than humans cannot consent and therefore cannot enter into legal contracts.
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) So you go nothing t on topic huh? just failed deflections, typical.

2.) theres no cause of mine here like most Americans i respect equal rights and I dont condone nor do i want to empower discrimination, violating rights and bigotry :shrug:

Let us know when you have something on topic ;)
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The more you throw it in my face the less I give a **** about what gays do or don't do.

They can do whatever they want in their bedrooms.

I don't think sexual orientation should be a protected class. Where did that idea even come from?
 
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For those that think discrimination should be allowed, let me paint you a picture and see if you are still interested.

Lets say the U.S. is 90% non-white, 10% white. You live in a town in which almost all of the businesses are owned by non whites. 90% of the businesses do not allow white people inside.

How would you feel then? Would you still call the U.S. "your" country? Would you want to go fight and die in wars to defend "your" country? Would you call yourself a proud American? Would you still think laws allowing discrimination make the U.S. a better place?
 
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Verax said:
For those that think discrimination should be allowed, let me paint you a picture and see if you are still interested.

Lets say the U.S. is 90% non-white, 10% white. You live in a town in which almost all of the businesses are owned by non whites. 90% of the businesses do not allow white people inside.

How would you feel then? Would you still call the U.S. "your" country? Would you want to go fight and die in wars to defend "your" country? Would you call yourself a proud American? Would you still think laws allowing discrimination make the U.S. a better place?
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In this hypothetical, would the state be prohibited from discriminating? People who argue that businesses should be free to discriminate do so on the basis that the government would not be free to discriminate. Segregation and apartheid were primarily government policies and were enforced by law.
 
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Verax said:
For those that think discrimination should be allowed, let me paint you a picture and see if you are still interested.

Lets say the U.S. is 90% non-white, 10% white. You live in a town in which almost all of the businesses are owned by non whites. 90% of the businesses do not allow white people inside.

How would you feel then? Would you still call the U.S. "your" country? Would you want to go fight and die in wars to defend "your" country? Would you call yourself a proud American? Would you still think laws allowing discrimination make the U.S. a better place?
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So white straight men would be a protected class? :lol:
 
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Henrin said:
Oh, really? So the law is not forcing businesses to serve people they otherwise would not? Isn't that strange then considering the case in question.
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nope :shrug:

the law is not allowing the business owner to illegal discriminate, break the law and violate peoples rights

but again please post your OPINION, FANTASIES and PHILOSOPHIES and spin it anyway you like, facts will defeat them every time
 
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