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Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647]

Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

No one is forcing them to work against their will. They already offer the service, they just don't want to do it for someone they think is "icky". Sorry...just like the bigot restauranteurs.....you have to comply with anti-discrimination laws if you want to do business. They knew the rules....they just chose not to follow them. We can't pick and choose which laws we want to follow and then hide behind our religion on the ones we don't like. It doesn't work that way.

Yes you are. Their business, their property, they pay the bills and they sweat for the goods.

Why can't someone go down the street to a business that isn't so backwards? It's not that god damned tough.
 
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OK. So every one in awhile a dumb company survives. It won't on the whole, and there are many options to still choose from. You do not have right to other people's property or labor. You use guns against free exercise and choice, that is just the facts.

This is supposed to be a free country, and you want to turn it into an internment camp. PC police at every corner making sure people don't think bad things. In free society you will get some people who are jerks and some who are dumb and some who are racist and perhaps out of those some may make businesses. It's just a consequence of freedom. Nowhere does it say you have to try to frequent those businesses. Nowhere does it say you cannot assemble and protest and boycott. But you just want to use guns and force against free exercise of right, you demand the use of other people's labor and demand service from everyone. Pathetic.

We have laws and rules in a civilized society. It would be utter chaos if there were no law and people could decide to do whatever they wanted....sorry, but that is not the nature of our society.
 
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It's fundamentally what you are doing. It's not quite akin due to some amount of compensation, so it's more like serfdom. But you are looking to force people to labor against their will through the use of government force against the individual. You should at least be cognisant of what you advocate.

So it is kinda like mandatory overtime at work?
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

1.)Again, you are supporting a federal judge compelling a bakery owner to labor against his will - why should you not be likewise compelled?

2.) We will either have a free society, or we will not. IF we are free, then who we chose to do business with, sell to, or buy from, is our own business.


translation: you cant back up the lie you posted, i asked you to and you completely dodged it
1.) sorry nobody honest, educated on this topic and objective buys this lie, you have no facts to support and this fallacy fails every time you post it
2.) government protects our rights and freedoms an the owner tried to infringe on them and lost, this is what happens when criminals break the law

When you have any facts supporting your false claims please post them
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

We have laws and rules in a civilized society. It would be utter chaos if there were no law and people could decide to do whatever they wanted....sorry, but that is not the nature of our society.

We have limited government in a free society. It would be utter subjugation and oppression if there is nothing but law without question. Sorry, but that is not the nature of our society.
 
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So it is kinda like mandatory overtime at work?

Kind of, yes. But those are based more upon private contract more so than government force.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Yes you are. Their business, their property, they pay the bills and they sweat for the goods.

Why can't someone go down the street to a business that isn't so backwards? It's not that god damned tough.

They shouldn't have to. Why should a black person not be allowed to drink out of a drinking fountain that a white person can? Why can't a black person sit at the front of the bus?

Sorry...but our society has values and has a right to those values and one of those values is that if someone opens a business they cannot exlude black because they don't like them or Mexicans, or Women or Asians or gays...... It really isn't that god damned tough. You know the rules....either follow them or don't open a business. It really IS that simple.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

We have limited government in a free society. It would be utter subjugation and oppression if there is nothing but law without question. Sorry, but that is not the nature of our society.

Anti-discrimination laws are HARDLY utter subjugation and oppression. That is drama queen talk.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

They shouldn't have to. Why should a black person not be allowed to drink out of a drinking fountain that a white person can? Why can't a black person sit at the front of the bus?

Public transport is different than private business and you know it.

Sorry...but our society has values and has a right to those values and one of those values is that if someone opens a business they cannot exlude black because they don't like them or Mexicans, or Women or Asians or gays...... It really isn't that god damned tough. You know the rules....either follow them or don't open a business. It really IS that simple.

Our society was based on freedom, not complete and unquestioning servitude to the State.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Kind of, yes. But those are based more upon private contract more so than government force.

I am more concerned with my employer ****ing up my weekend plans than the fact that the government dare have regulations. In fact, many of the things we force businesses to spend there time on are quite good since I like safe food.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Anti-discrimination laws are HARDLY utter subjugation and oppression. That is drama queen talk.

Nor would allowing the exercise of property and labor rights delve us into chaos as you suggested. Don't think you get to drama queen it up and then prevent others from doing the same.

End result, you want government force against the free exercise of rights and I do not.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

I am more concerned with my employer ****ing up my weekend plans than the fact that the government dare have regulations. In fact, many of the things we force businesses to spend there time on are quite good since I like safe food.

Government is always more dangerous than a private employer.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Public transport is different than private business and you know it.



Our society was based on freedom, not complete and unquestioning servitude to the State.

Oh...I see. You have no problem with "White Only" lunch counters...but you do with requiring blacks to sit in the back of the bus. Don't exactly understand the logic there...but I gotcha.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Government is always more dangerous than a private employer.

Noooo, that would be pure hyperbole.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Oh...I see. You have no problem with "White Only" lunch counters...but you do with requiring blacks to sit in the back of the bus. Don't exactly understand the logic there...but I gotcha.

If it's private business, then White Only could be something an idiot tries to institute. I'd expect people to have the intelligence and dignity to stand against it. Public, government, absolutely cannot discriminate.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Noooo, that would be pure hyperbole.

Incorrect. Individual private employers are localized entities that can be easily avoided. Government is aggregated effect and cannot.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

It drives me crazy that people go into a profession knowing what is ethically, professionally, and/or legally obligated of them then make a bunch of noise when they're punished for not meeting those obligations.

Ex Post Facto is a legal term, it means "after the fact."

In law, this means that you cannot declare an act illegal after the fact. IF a person opens a bakery in 1995 and complies with the laws, a change in 2013 has no retroactive authority.

First off, I am one whom Obama hates, I cling to the constitution. (I would say god, guns, and the constitution, but as an agnostic it doesn't work) I realize that is Passe in our brave new progressive, authoritarian world. We have a Dear Leader, that old Constitution is so last century... But I do hold to liberty - thus it is no more your right to force a baker to work for someone he doesn't want to work for, than it is my right to force you to shop at Walmart.

Just because you're punished for breaking laws you agreed to abide by in your acquisition and retainment

Oh, do tell - which LAWS did the baker break? When was he arrested? What were the terms of his indictment? Will he face the gulag?

of a business license does not mean you are being persecuted or, as you imply, enslaved. If you object to the legal requirements associated with owning and operating a business which offers public services then don't become a business owner, at the very least, take your lumps silently or become a non-profit.

A business license is a tax, nothing more. Paying a tax does not indenture one as servant to the state. Free people buy from the stores they alone choose. Perhaps you dream of a world where a federal judge will decide who you buy your shoes from, or your tofu.

I, do not.

Freedom to buy, and to sell, without a feudal lord dictating the terms of the trade is one of the foundational planks of liberty.
 
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Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Anti-discrimination laws are HARDLY utter subjugation and oppression. That is drama queen talk.

yep its a strawman that most simply dont buy
they are laws that do exactly what the government is supposed to do, protect rights.

Some arent interested in the government protecting rights they would just rather empower illegal discrimination, unequal treatment and or bigotry.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

yep its a strawman that most simply dont buy
they are laws that do exactly what the government is supposed to do, protect rights.

Some arent interested in the government protecting rights they would just rather empower illegal discrimination, unequal treatment and or bigotry.

What rights? Your right to someone else's cake?
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

If it's private business, then White Only could be something an idiot tries to institute. I'd expect people to have the intelligence and dignity to stand against it. Public, government, absolutely cannot discriminate.

So Blacks should have to sit up in the balcony of a theater so that the more "Superior" whites don't get the black on them. Wow....I'm glad the overwhelming majority of the people of this country have moved past that mentality.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Incorrect. Individual private employers are localized entities that can be easily avoided. Government is aggregated effect and cannot.

So who is more likely to pollute my ground water, a local business or the government? Oh wait, the government is the one protecting me from that...

There is a reason why libertarian theory always fails...
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

So Blacks should have to sit up in the balcony of a theater so that the more "Superior" whites don't get the black on them. Wow....I'm glad the overwhelming majority of the people of this country have moved past that mentality.

They should not have to. If it's a private theater that has such policy, you can assemble, you can protest, you can boycott, you can raise awareness, you can NOT PURCHASE THEIR GOODS. Money is what makes everything go around, and you can effect change in local business by affecting their bottom line.

Quit being a drama queen. You want to accuse people of it, but you are very liberal in its use. Try to be honest in your arguments just once please.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

So who is more likely to pollute my ground water, a local business or the government? Oh wait, the government is the one protecting me from that...

There is a reason why libertarian theory always fails...

Government actually, they're one of the biggest polluters.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Ex Post Facto is a legal term, it means "after the fact."

In law, this means that you cannot declare an act illegal after the fact. IF a person opens a bakery in 1995 and complies with the laws, a change in 2013 has no retroactive authority.

First off, I am one whom Obama hates, I cling to the constitution. (I would say god, guns, and the constitution, but as an agnostic it doesn't work) I realize that is Passe in our brave new progressive, authoritarian world. We have a Dear Leader, that old Constitution is so last century... But I do hold to liberty - thus it is no more your right to force a baker to work for someone he doesn't want to work for, than it is my right to force you to shop at Walmart.



Oh, do tell - which LAWS did the baker break? When was he arrested? What were the terms of his indictment? Will he face the gulag?

[quote[of a business license does not mean you are being persecuted or, as you imply, enslaved. If you object to the legal requirements associated with owning and operating a business which offers public services then don't become a business owner, at the very least, take your lumps silently or become a non-profit.

A business license is a tax, nothing more. Paying a tax does not indenture one as servant to the state. Free people buy from the stores they alone choose. Perhaps you dream of a world where a federal judge will decide who you buy your shoes from, or your tofu.

I, do not.

Freedom to buy, and to sell, without a feudal lord dictating the terms of the trade is one of the foundational planks of liberty.[/QUOTE]

wow what a complete wasted rant full of nothing but dishonesty, lies, fallacies and hyperbolic biased rhetoric and babble.

do you have ONE fact that proves the baker did NOT break the law, did NOT commit crimes and did NOT illegal discriminate? . . . . one?


facts defeat your post again
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

No one is forcing them to work against their will.

Don't be stupid.

The baker doesn't want to bake a cake.

A federal judge orders him to.

That is force - the implication that men with guns will be used if he fails to obey the judge.
 
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